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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 371
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re[2]: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
2) Re: Equipment for Women
by Lea and Robert Sanford
3) Re: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
by Lea and Robert Sanford
4) Re: Three Nations Tournament
by Lyssa
5) Re: menvswomen
by Lyssa
6) Re: Three Nations Tournament
by Lyssa
7) Admin: plaidworks is back
by Chuq Von Rospach
8) Women's drop-in rougher?
by JENNIFER TURNER-VALLE
9) Re: Re[2]: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
by email@hidden
10) Re:Narrow Skates
by Jen Carder
11) Re: Re[2]: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
by email@hidden
12) Spring Tournament
by email@hidden (Sheryl-Lyn Ekberg)
13) Skates - ankle support?
by email@hidden (Christina McCormick)
14) 1997 Women's World Championships
by Roger Dewar
15) Re: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
by Ingrid Moon
16) Not related to the Three Nations Tournament thread
by Ingrid Moon
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 17:58:47 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re[2]: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
Message-ID:
Jan
If you want to try your Bauer 4000s again, try an old figure skating
trick. Get make-up donuts and place them over your ankle bones. Some
adhere to the skin, and some you have to place under your socks. Sometimes
moleskin over your anklebones relieves the pain and protects you. Wrist
bands are also protective, worn around the sore spots. One kid with narrow
feet and sore ankles got something (I forget the name) that soccer players
wear under their boots. It goes around the arch, the heel is bare, and it
comes up over the ankle bones. Good luck. Six wearings on a good pair of
skates is a sin.
Debbie
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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 17:04:46 +0000
From: Lea and Robert Sanford
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Equipment for Women
Message-ID:
Ashmun, Julia D wrote:
>
> Shoulder Pads:
>
> I have take to putting a shoe string on the bottom of
> my should pads to tie them to my pant so that they don't ride up during play
> or a hit in the corner.
>
I use a piece of narrow elastic run through my pants drawstring and over
the neck of my shoulder pads. It gives a little more than shoelaces and
is pretty cheap. One industrious woman I know sewed elastic
*suspenders* on her shoulder pads and ran them through little loops on
her pants.
--Lea
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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 17:17:37 +0000
From: Lea and Robert Sanford
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
Message-ID:
email@hidden wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/31/96 8:44:07 PM, you wrote:
>
> < equipment? Don't even ask me about finding skates for a long, NARROW foot.>>
>
> I think next time I buy skates I need a narrower fit... I find the support
> around the ankles to be inadequate and without the use of heavy tape just
> plain wobbley. I don't have a small foot either... (size 10) but I can never
> seem to get those skates tight enough. Let us know if you get info on hockey
> skates made to fit women's feet rather than all those Barney Rubble's out
> there.
> Lisa A.
I wear a women's 7 1/2 narrow dress shoe and have to be careful to get a
brand that is narrow enough. I have had good success with CCM 652 Tacks
(I think they are size 5 1/2 or 6 and am pretty sure I got a choice for
narrow width). I don't know if they will work for the larger sizes, but
I really like mine.
--Lea
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 15:08:26 -0500
From: Lyssa
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Three Nations Tournament
Message-ID:
>Women can do anything they want and play any game they want with any size
>equipment they want!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Joan
AMEN and Hallelujia to that sister!!! :) I was lucky enough growing up to
have two brothers who, even though they tried to protect me, when it came to
sprts, theytreated me just like everyone else. So when it was time for the
football games, and I was involved it was still tackle. When we played
hockey, and I was involved, it was still full-contact! Nothing was ever
changed to accomidate "the girl" because I was playing thier game by their
rules. This past summer, I joined my fiancee andhis friends for some
pick-up softball every Saturday, and you know what? I was the ONLY girl
they had ever let play. And you know why? Thier organizer Ruddy said it was
because I didn't just show up, I showed up to play, and I played hard!!!!
Love,
Lyssa
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:47:19 -0500
From: Lyssa
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: menvswomen
Message-ID:
I too, have played with and against both males and females, and Ifind it
doesn't make a difference to me who I get mean with. I try not to in either
instance, but if provoked, I have not problem getting into it with either
man or woman. It's funny, the only people I jump on quicker are people I
know well off-ice. If they paly dirty with me, I tend to take it more personal!
Love,
Lyssa
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:52:45 -0500
From: Lyssa
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Three Nations Tournament
Message-ID:
>>During the final game of the Three Nations Tournament did anyone hear Don
>>Cherry's comment about how they should make the puck smaller and lighter
>>for the women so they can do some of the same things that the big NHL
>>guys can do?
I haven't liked Don Cherry from the first instance I heard him give one of
his one-sided unthought opinions. This just makes me like him less. Who
cares if he likes women's hockey, this is a preposterous statement. The
size of the puck shouldn't matter in playing. Isn't it small enough as it
is??? Come on. There is no reason to shrink the puck! Network executives
already claim that's it's so small it's hard to see as it is!! Remember the
Fox glowpuck??? Do you want that to become mandatory on network games??? I
don't! I don't think it's neccessary, but if you make the pucks smaller,
some execs might!!!!! Really, the puck's not that heavy, or that big for
that matter!!!! Shrinking it wouldn't do anything to help either
game!!!!!!! Just my 2 cents!
Love,
Lyssa
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 14:41:24 -0800
From: Chuq Von Rospach
To: email@hidden, email@hidden,
Subject: Admin: plaidworks is back
Message-ID:
Plaidworks is back on the air. What was supposed ot be a 4 hour routine
network move was a 30 hour disaster (thanks primarily to Pacific Bell
miswiring things).
Expect a deluge, folks. We apologize for the outage. It was even less
fun for us than for you. It's going to be a noisy couple of days until
the system gets back to normal. Please be patient.
As we speak, access to the mail lists and main web site is functioning
normally. We're having a routing problem to the DATABASE machine, so
searching and the like aren't working -- this *should* be resolved by
the time you rea this, but given how everything else has gone, god only
knows. If the database functions are down on the hockey site, you know
why.
And by the time your ead this, Laurie and I will be out of here on a
(10 hours delayed so far) vacation. The people housitting are good at
keeping the hardware up, but won't be reading our mail. For the next
two weeks, please be patient if we don't answer your mail immediately.
We get to stuff whenever we can on the road. We'll be in Portland and
then Victoria, sleeping, relaxing and making voodoo dolls of nameless
telecom installer men and other PacBell employees.
Talk to you soon. Sorry for the extended downtime. It wasn't our fault
this time... (sigh).
Chuq and Laurie.
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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 13:30:07 -0700 (MST)
From: JENNIFER TURNER-VALLE
To: email@hidden
Subject: Women's drop-in rougher?
Message-ID:
Lea wrote:
>I find that our women's drop in is a lot rougher than the men's recreational
>play....
I agree Lea, I find that in most of the women's leagues & drop-ins that I've
been involved in I tend to get upset more quickly (I might add that I also
tend to take home more bruises from intentionally chippy play), I take things
a little more personally, and the women just seem so much more intense about
winning and competition than in most of the men's groups I've played with.
So do you think this happens because when a few women play with the men
we get preferential treatment or do you think that when you play with men
you're willing to accept a little more hitting/slashing/elbowing/whatever
or is it something else entirely?
(I will admit that to combat my anger over being "wronged" I've now
picked up a bad habit of waiting for my moment to get even- whatever the
gender of the offender, but it is more satisfying than just getting upset.)
jenny
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Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 10:44:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Cc: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
Message-ID:
Well, thought I'd drop you line since I am downloading and compiling. Brian
gave me a great idea for a project. I just hope I can get someone to buy into
it at RIT. He suggested I write a porgram that traces through a network and
saves all the nodes (computers) in a graph, then displays them on a screen.
Then, they are colored red if they are broken and green if they are working.
I have to ask Larry if he really wants to be my advisor. I haven't been
successful in finding him when I need him also. He's just too busy. So, I was
thinking of asking Brian.
Well, have to go. My link is done, time to test the code.
Love,
Diane
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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 14:05:35 -0600 (CST)
From: Jen Carder
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re:Narrow Skates
Message-ID:
>I bought a pair of size 5 Bauer 4000 skates this summer because they are
>supposed to be narrower. Although I don't wear narrow women's shoes, the
>boys' skates all seem to be too wide. The Bauers seemed fairly comfortable
>as the gel was molding to my ankle bones, but after two or three sessions,
>the skates got progressively more painful. I decided I couldn't wear them
>after about six times.
>
>It seems that my ankle bones protrude more than the design allows for, and
>my ankles worked through all the gel and were rubbing against the very stiff
>leather. I've actually bruised the bone on my right ankle, so I guess I'll
>go back to Tacks...
>
>I'm hoping I can find someone to buy these almost brand new skates!
>
>Jan.
Actually, I had the same exact problem with Bauer Comps but I experimented a
little and found that if I took my socks off and skated bare-footed, the
pain went away. This idea lends itself to extremelly smelly skates but it
works for me! My boyfriend also had the same problem so he opted to wearing
very thin socks. I think this worked okay for him. Hope this helps...
Jen
University of Illinois
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 05:10:13 PST
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Cc: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
Message-ID:
I started skating on CCM's and last year my husband bought me a pair of
Bauer Comp's. They were very uncomfortable, I thought it was just me.
Except my right ankle was swollen up like a golf ball and I could not
even cross over without cringing in pain. I went to the doctor, after
trying to figure out what was wrong for several months, they diagnosed a
form of tendonitis. He finally asked me to bring in my skates, and found
that the gel pak was pushed all the way to the wall of the boot where the
ankle is. I talked to a few hockey pro's and they all said that the gel
pak was defective. I sent my skates back to Bauer and 10 weeks later I
got a brand new pair of Bauer 5000 Comps.
They were still painful at first. I talked to a number of people and
they said that Bauer makes this skate boot very firm for longer and
better support. I am trying it again with lots of my own protection on
my bad ankle.
Good luck, you might try sending your skates back to Bauer. There should
be a one year warranty.
Colleen
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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 1996 18:04:23 -0600
From: email@hidden (Sheryl-Lyn Ekberg)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Spring Tournament
Message-ID:
The last few years there has been a spring tournament in the Seattle area.
Does anyone know about plans for a 1997 spring tournament.
Sheryl TCE #13
(Minnesota)
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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 96 04:35:34 GMT
From: email@hidden (Christina McCormick)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Skates - ankle support?
Message-ID: <30F1F096@cmccorm>
Hi all!
I've been reading the comments about the skates and problems with
buying skates to fit. Well, unlike many list members, I have had trouble
finding skates for a snug, supportive ankle and a high enough instep.
Thanks to the big blockheads I used to train with, I now have to wear an ankle
support, as my skates are now not adquate.
I have Bauer 90's, as they were the only one's I could afford at the time, they were my first pair of bought skates, and I was too naive to know any better.
Could anyone recommend a skate that would be high in the instep, and would have
enough support for my poor dying ankles? I still don't know enough about skates and skate brands to help me find a decent pair of skates.
Thanks.
Chris.
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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 08:06:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Roger Dewar
To: email@hidden
Subject: 1997 Women's World Championships
Message-ID:
>Date: Wed, 06 Nov 1996 20:33:56
>To Women in Hockey Fans
>
>I hope everyone interested in women's hockey has March 31 - April 6, 1997
marked on their calenders... or stuck to the fridge. That's the dates for
the Women's World Hockey Championships. This is going to be the biggest
women's hockey tournament ever, as the top 5 teams will go on to compete in
the 1998 Winter Olympics in Japan.
>
>The tournament consists of 20 games, 14 of those (including the Bronze
medal and the Gold medal games) are taking place in Kitchener Ontario. The
other 6 round robin games are being hosted by girls hockey associations in
cities surrounding Kitchener. Thise centers being Brantford, Brampton,
Hamilton, London, Mississauga and North York.
>
>The game here in London, Ontario, is seen as being one of the most
important games of the tournament, as team USA and team Sweden meet in the
final round robin game. Both teams are in pool B, and both are expected to
finish at the top of their pool. Team USA is seeded 2nd in the tournament,
and Sweden is seeded 3rd.
>
>London is only a 2 hr drive from Detriot and Buffalo, and about an hour
from Port Huron. We therefore expect to see a large number of our American
neibours at this game. We have arranged special rates at local motels,
hoping some people would stay overnight, and perhaps go on to Kitchener for
the final games on Saturday and Sunday. Kitchener is one hour drive from
London also. Information on the game and hotels can be obtained by phoning
me at (519)473-9798 or fax (510)473-8696 or by e-mail.
>
>Tickets for the London game are $8.00 and they can be ordered through
Thompson Arena box office at (519)661-3629 or fax (519)661-3701.
>Don't miss the chance to see the best female hockey available anywhere in
the world this spring. Who knows when it will be this close again.
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 13:25:45 -0800
From: Ingrid Moon
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
Message-ID:
> Bauer Comp's. They were very uncomfortable, I thought it was just me.
[snip]
> they said that Bauer makes this skate boot very firm for longer and
> better support.
>
> Colleen
I had the same problem with my Comps but now they are broken in and feel
great, except for one small area on the outside left ankle, where the
original discomfort was worst. Once the gel is warm, though (i.e. after
about 15 minutes of wear) the pain is gone. Someone suggested to me
that I use a hair dryer to heat the gel before I put the skates on.
Ingrid
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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 13:39:30 -0800
From: Ingrid Moon
To: email@hidden
Subject: Not related to the Three Nations Tournament thread
Message-ID:
Someone wrote:
> >>During the final game of the Three Nations Tournament did anyone hear Don
> >>Cherry's comment about how they should make the puck smaller and lighter
> >>for the women so they can do some of the same things that the big NHL
> >>guys can do?
It's a pig-headed comment.
As a child I refused to play softball because it was so scaled down from
baseball. At that time, there was no sliding and you used a ball WAY
too big for your hand so that it had more air resistance and wouldn't go
as fast or far, and it supposedly didn't hurt as much if it hit you, and
it was easier to see but impossible to catch in my tiny glove, etc.
etc. I think whoever scaled it down for girls just wanted to see them
fail (and yet there are women who succeed at it--good for them!).
I played Little League Baseball instead. And I quickly learned how not
to "throw like a girl." (Thanks, Dad!) Although girls can play
football in high school, they can't play baseball if there is a "girl's
version" of the sport, and they consider softball to be the equivalent
(with sliding, etc.).
Now as an adult I play all the time in corporate leagues, etc., but my
hand is much bigger and I don't want to slide (even though it's allowed,
and I occasionally do it anyway) because I pay so much money to play
hockey, so why risk the injury!?!?
:) Ingrid
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