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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 242
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Information summary
by Lea and Robert Sanford
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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 19:46:51 +0000
From: Lea and Robert Sanford
To: Hockey List
Subject: Information summary
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This is a beginning of a summary of information (somewhat edited) that I recieved from
my
"please help request". I recieved over 30 responses and was inundated by good
information. Since I recieved several requests to pass on the information, this is an
attempt. I don't know how much of this was sent to the mailing list, so some of it may
duplicate.
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I would suggest web surfing starting with this URL:
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~wicehock/
A close friend of our family plays hockey for Dartmouth and created this page.
Her name is Sarah Hood and she is also from Upper Michigan. Last year she led
Dartmouth in league scoring and was named ECAC player of the week once.
Sarah Hood's e-mail address is at the bottom of the
first page.
Other schools are adding women's hockey. For example, the University of
Minnesota will begin varsity status in the fall of 1997. Because of the
explosion of girls' hockey in high schools (50 teams last year), players from
out of state will probably receive little consideration.
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I would like to suggest that your friend call the Cornell
Women's Hockey coach, Julie Andeberhan. 607-255-6675. Julie has been
picked to coach the olympic team (Asst. I think), played in the world
championships in 90 or 92, played for the Harvard women's hockey team,
and is a very friendly helpful person. She runs a camp here in the
summer, and I'm sure is very familiar with other camps. She could
also give advice in the women's college hockey arena.
Also, check out andria hunter's home page, I think there is a section
on colleges that offer women's scholarships.
(ed. Andria wins for most often sugested reference!)
Joy Veronneau
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. . .to think about Chatham College here in Pittsburgh. They're not giving academic
scholarships, but they do give merit-based ones.
Susan Helene Gottfried
One neighborhood over from Mr. Rogers
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I'm sure you've been directed to check out the directories via Andria Hunter's women's
hockey web site. These will list all varsity teams (i.e. those who have
scholarships), as well as all clubs. Both types of teams are strong,
especially in the Northeast and Midwest. .....simply needs to write to the coach at
each
institution expressing her interest, and the process should take off from there. Of
course, input from persons at USA Hockey would be a bonus.
And finally, I've got to put in a plug for my university, Boston University, which has
a
growing club program (but alas, no athletic scholarships).
Laurel Beverley
email@hidden
(617) 277-1989
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I have been following college women's
hockey since I live in New Hampshire very close to the University of New
Hampshire. The UNH Women's Hockey Team won the Eastern Collegiate Athletic
Conference hockey tournament this year. They are an excellent hockey team
and I watch them play all the time.
The really good and really well established women's hockey teams are here on
the East coast especially in the New England area - Providence College, UNH,
Boston College, the University of Massachusetts, Dartmouth, Brown, Yale,
Northeastern, Saint Lawrence to name a few. Women's hockey in Canada is
also well established.
Maureen Angelini
email@hidden (Maureen L. Angelini)
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The elusive "hockey scholarship" may or may not be an option. Only a
few(4) colleges ahve them and they are only for absolute stars. The majority
of the colleges in the ECAC and all of those in the alliance do not. What
they do have is need based financial aid. This is what I administer here at
Deerfield. You pay what you can afford, based on the college's formula.
The combination of academic and athletic(hockey) skills are what get you
admitted! The Ivy league, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Dartmouth, Cornell, and
Brown have NO athletic scholarships. Neither do Colby, or St. Lawrence. They have need
based aid. The same is true of the alliance schools; Bowdoin, Middlebury, Wesleyan,
Amherst, Williams, RIT.
For a list of schools, see andria hunters home page and follow the women's
university hockey links.
One option would be to look at her spending a year or two in a new englang
boarding school where she would play in the backyard of the colleges. If
this is of interest let me know. More that half of the players in the
college ranks come from "prep" schools.
William G. Cumming Voice: (413)772-0241
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...you might want to have her look into some of the colleges that are just starting up
their programs. For example, the University of Minnesota and the
University of Wisconsin (Madison) have good teams and have been club teams
for several years now, but as of the next hockey season will be starting
as a Varsity team. These schools that are just starting out their
programs will be looking for very talented girls - so that they can
attract fans for the long run (vs. having people come out and see some
fairly average players and not taking it seriously...).
I don't know if going to the midwest is something she'll be
interested in, but she could always transfer once she gets her name out
there....
Becki Rowan #1
President
St. Cloud State Women's Hockey
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I posted a list of the prep schools in New England on women-in-hockey a
while ago and also sent it to Zoe Harris in Seattle. I know some of the
schools still have spaces open for next year. We are full, and have been
since April 15.
Another option is that of what we call a postgraduate year. That is, a high
school diploma has already been received, but you do another year at a prep
school to raise SAT scores and mature. You also have three seasons of sports
and an opportunity to play in the coaches back yard.
William G. Cumming Voice: (413)772-0241
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More on Chatham College. . .
As for an address, write to "Chatham College, Woodland Road, Pittsburgh, PA 15213"
and mark it "attention women's ice hockey." Or just "ice hockey" -- it's
a woman's college (and close enough to the two big ones that you'll never
notice the difference...). I think the program is going to be very exciting.
I'm working on a series of books about a girl who plays guys' hockey the
whole way up through college (for a forward, that's not very feasible, which
is why I made her a forward!) and I want to make the books as realistic
as possible. If you need me to, I'll send you a US mail address... :)
Susan Helene Gottfried
One neighborhood over from Mr. Rogers
Susan Gottfried
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I keep a list on the world wide web of all the universities that
have women's hockey programs. The address is:
http://www.cs.utoronto.ca/~andria/University_Hockey.html
..contacts the coaches of the universities that she's
interested in, so that they can come to have a look at her. The
addresses for each team can be found from the web page that
I listed above. Some even have email addresses.
I attended the University of New Hampshire on a women's hockey
scholarship. It was a great experience!
Andria
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Hockey Scholarships at American Universities
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Here are some articles about hockey scholarships and graduate
student eligibility. In general, it's best to ask the coaches
in order to find out what kinds of scholarships are available
at a particular university.
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Date: 1995
From: email@hidden (Richard Hungerford)
Subject: Scholarships
In 1972 Title IX said that schools must offer equal opportunities
for men and women (including sports). AD's have always said that
women's sports don't pay. In fact no men's ice hockey team makes
any money. What the courts have said is, yes you have to make it
more equal. That has come to mean, if you are spending $300,000 on
the men and $2500 on the women's team, something is wrong. So now
a days women have more ice time, better equipment, pay for the coaches
and a bus for away games (instead of women driving the vans and paying
for the gas!). Athletic scholarships are a ways off. Right now we
are talking about getting varsity status for club teams.
The ECAC Big Three: UNH, Northeastern and Providence College had
scholarships for women's ice hockey until 3 years ago. At that
time financial times were hard and money was cut. However, the Big
3 started seeing too many good players going to the Ivy schools who
were offering good financial aid packages (no athletic scholarships
for men or women in the Ivies) and the Ivy name looks great on your
resume. So with too many skilled women going to Brown, Princeton,
Dartmouth and even Harvard (not a leader), the Big Three have
started to offer scholarships again. UNH started this year and I
know one woman got several scholarships there. Northeastern is going
to offer real athletic scholarships next year, and PC wants to also.
There will not be full rides (as a few women got in the past), but
it's a start.
The Big Ten has mandated that the ratio of women's sports must be higher.
In Minnesota the high schools have started the MHS State Girls' Tournament
this year. That is big because the boys' is huge. Many skilled women
come east every year from the mid-west to play ice hockey in the ECAC.
I see the mid-west situation improving, but the ECAC will remain for
a number of years the league for the most skilled players, who want to
go to college. Also almost all of Team USA Women went to ECAC schools.
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:21:52 -0000
From: email@hidden (Sue Hennessey)
Subject: scholarships
Does anyone know whether or not women can get full scholarships to
Universities in the states and how to apply?
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:05:12 -0500 (EST)
From: "Catharine J. Reburn"
To: Sue Hennessey
Subject: Re: scholarships
On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, Sue Hennessey wrote:
> Does anyone know whether or not women can get full scholarships to
> Universitys' in the states and how to apply?
I don't know about States but here in Canada scholarships aren't
very good for women in ANY sports
If you find out that scholarships are good for women in USA Universities
I would sure like to know.
Cathy
Queen's University, Kingston, Ontario Canada
1st yr PhD. and paying through the teeth for it!
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:58:38 -0500
From: email@hidden (William Cumming (Deerfield Academy))
To: email@hidden email@hidden
Subject: Re: scholarships
I replied directly to Sue, but will now do so to the list
Since most of the womens' hockey teams in the US are in the New England
region at schools that have NO scholarships for any sports, you have to rely
on need based financial aid. This application is a normal part of applying
for admission. The hockey skills may set you apart from the pack and result
in admission in a very competitive pool.
I coach the girls team here at school. We are a prep school with 590
students, 504 of them board. we cost $22,000 per year and have 190 students
receiving $2.8 million in need based aid. My players have gone on to the
ECAC and ACAC Alliance schools to play. In many cases their hockey skills
made the difference in the admission process. For most, if not all, schools
the hardest thing is getting in.
Merit(Athletic) scholarships have existed at UNH, and Northeastern, and
maybe Providence college, but they are not plentiful. 4 women have them at
Northeastern, but who knows what will happen if the downgrade to club status
really comes to pass.
cheers, Bill
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William G. Cumming Voice: (413)772-0241
Deerfield Academy FAX: (413)774-6629
Deerfield, MA 01342 email: email@hidden
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 13:35:13 -0500
From: email@hidden (Jess Becker)
Subject: scholarships+grad programs
I also replied directly to Sue, but since others seem interested...
Yes, you can get hockey scholarships at some of the Div. I varsity schools.
I know you can get them at UNH, and I'm pretty sure you can get them at
Providence. Nobody knows what is happening with Northeastern. Many
schools, like the Ivy League schools, don't give hockey scholarships, but
do provide financial aid. There are also some other
non-university-sponsored scholarships. The best way to get info is to talk
to the coaches and ask them directly.
To Cathy and any other Canadian grad students - Sorry, we have eligability
rules in the US that don't allow grad students to play. However, I was
thinking of going to Canada to get my MBA so I can get my degree and
continue skating (I'm a junior at Cornell). Does anyone have any info that
would help me?
See Ya,
Jess
Talk is cheap and lies are expensive.
-Green Day
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:32:47 -0500
From: "Andria L. Hunter"
Subject: Re: scholarships+grad programs
>To Cathy and any other Canadian grad students - Sorry, we have eligability
>rules in the US that don't allow grad students to play. However, I was
>thinking of going to Canada to get my MBA so I can get my degree and
>continue skating (I'm a junior at Cornell). Does anyone have any info that
>would help me?
The reason that there is currently no restriction on the number of years that
you can play women's university hockey in Canada is because there is currently
no national title (CIAU). There are women's university hockey leagues in the
Maritimes, Ontario, and Quebec, but the winners of each league do not currently
go on to compete for a National title.
However, within the next few years (and possibly as early as next year), there
will be a National CIAU title in Canada for women's hockey. There has been
a push for this because they want to bring up the number of CIAU sports for
women to the same number of CIAU sports for men. From what I understand, this
would mean that women university hockey players would have to follow the
same eligibility rules as the men do in Canada. I think that means 5 years
of eligibility, but I'm not sure of the details. I'll check with my coach
and get back to you on this. I would assume that everyone starts at zero in
terms of eligibility when this first gets incorporated, but I'm not sure.
Andria
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 18:09:38 +0800
From: email@hidden (Louise C. Mallory)
To: email@hidden, email@hidden
Subject: Re: scholarships+grad programs
>However, within the next few years (and possibly as early as next year), there
>will be a National CIAU title in Canada for women's hockey. There has been
>a push for this because they want to bring up the number of CIAU sports for
>women to the same number of CIAU sports for men. From what I understand, this
>would mean that women university hockey players would have to follow the
>same eligibility rules as the men do in Canada. I think that means 5 years
>of eligibility, but I'm not sure of the details. I'll check with my coach
>and get back to you on this. I would assume that everyone starts at zero in
>terms of eligibility when this first gets incorporated, but I'm not sure.
Well, Andria, that should still give you enough time to get a Ph.D. before
your eligibility runs out ......
A question for followers of the ECAC: The original poster said that "grad
students aren't eligible". What is the rule? Is it a league rule or an
NCAA rule?
Most of what I know about varsity sports in the US comes from the
big-budget NCAA men's sports, and there the rule seems to be "four years of
play in your first five years of college". It seems to me that I have seen
mention of male athletes playing in their 4th year of eligibility, who have
started graduate school.
And to Cathy at Queen's and any other Canadians wondering about grad
school/sport opportunities in the USA: In many fields, it is possible to
arrange research associateships, teaching associateships, and/or
fellowships to support you in graduate school in the US. I chose to do my
Ph.D. at a university which didn't have any female hockey at the time, but
did have ice, so I helped to start a women's hockey club here which is now
thriving with both competitive and instructional/recreational programs
... At some universities, the rules of the club-sport program are
flexible enough to allow grad students, part-time students, faculty, staff,
alumnae, and domestic partners of the above to compete.
I'm particularly grateful to the American Association of University Women,
which granted me an International Fellowship for one year of my program.
One of the criteria for those fellowships is that the grantee have a record
of civic service to improve the lives of women and girls in her home
country .... so I told them about my commitment to female ice hockey .....
Louise
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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 02:15:32 -0500
From: email@hidden (Jess Becker)
Subject: grad eligibility, US
>A question for followers of the ECAC: The original poster said that "grad
>students aren't eligible". What is the rule? Is it a league rule or an
>NCAA rule?
>
>Most of what I know about varsity sports in the US comes from the
>big-budget NCAA men's sports, and there the rule seems to be "four years of
>play in your first five years of college". It seems to me that I have seen
>mention of male athletes playing in their 4th year of eligibility, who have
>started graduate school.
I could be mistaken, but it is my understanding that only undergrads can
play Div I women's hockey in the US. I have no idea whether that is an
ECAC rule, a NCAA rule, or even a rule at all. I have a friend at Yale who
redshirted for a year and has an extra year of eligibility. She told me
that she wasn't going to be able to use that extra year because she plans
to graduate on time and won't be allowed to play as a grad. We play Yale a
week from Sunday. If nobody else finds out before then, I'll ask her about
it after the game.
Later,
Jess Becker #6,
Cornell Women's Ice Hockey Team
email@hidden
It doesn't matter if your team has good players, it
matters if your players have a good team.
- Morag McPherson, Cornell #21
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File last Updated: Wed Feb 7 14:52:04 EST 1996
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Thanks again to everyone who replied!!!
--Lea S. Sanford
email@hidden
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