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Bridget,

I believe that I know which tournament you are talking about.  The
tournament is not being run by the rink but by, I believe, the Philadelphia
Freeze.  It is probably their decision to make it an adult women's
tournament.  The spring league that you played in was run by another group
and therefore the age restrictions were different.  USA Hockey allows you
to make further restrictions on their rules, which is what happened in this
tournament.

J.E.

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From: bridget kaskela email@hidden
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:25:07 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Women's Tournament In Aston, PA


I am a 17 year old ice hockey player from Pennsylvania. Over the last few
months I played on a spring league team comprised of girls from ages 11-18.
We played in a Women's A Division, In-House League at Iceworks, in which we
won the championship. On August 3rd and 4th, the same rink is sponsoring a
women's tournament, but they won't let our team play claiming that you must
be 18 or older to be considered a woman. This is the part that we dont
understand because the dictionary defines women as the female part of the
human race. Also, USA Hockeys website states that you can be any age to
play womens hockey. We are very interested in outsiders opinions dealing
with this issue because if we were allowed to play womens teams in the
rinks spring league, can we be denied the same thing for their tournament?
We are led to believe that there are other teams in the tournament that
include players under the age of 18, which also adds to our confusion.
Thank you for your time and !
help.



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Bridget
Yes....I agree.
Our womens league runs a womens summer hockey league in Toronto and we allow
"girls" aged 15 and up to play in the womens divisions.
But at our tournament in June, it has been our understanding that women from
other areas may take exception to having the younger players play and for
that reason we have not allowed them to participate.
In Ontario, womens senior is defined as 20 and over at the recreational
level, but there is no age restriction in competitive divisions.

Karen
Toronto Icebreakers Womens Hockey Club



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> Bridget,
>
> I believe that I know which tournament you are talking about.  The
> tournament is not being run by the rink but by, I believe, the
Philadelphia
> Freeze.  It is probably their decision to make it an adult women's
> tournament.  The spring league that you played in was run by another group
> and therefore the age restrictions were different.  USA Hockey allows you
> to make further restrictions on their rules, which is what happened in
this
> tournament.
>
> J.E.
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: bridget kaskela email@hidden
> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:25:07 -0700 (PDT)
> To: email@hidden
> Subject: Women's Tournament In Aston, PA
>
>
> I am a 17 year old ice hockey player from Pennsylvania. Over the last few
> months I played on a spring league team comprised of girls from ages
11-18.
> We played in a Women's A Division, In-House League at Iceworks, in which
we
> won the championship. On August 3rd and 4th, the same rink is sponsoring a
> women's tournament, but they won't let our team play claiming that you
must
> be 18 or older to be considered a woman. This is the part that we dont
> understand because the dictionary defines women as the female part of the
> human race. Also, USA Hockeys website states that you can be any age to
> play womens hockey. We are very interested in outsiders opinions dealing
> with this issue because if we were allowed to play womens teams in the
> rinks spring league, can we be denied the same thing for their
tournament?
> We are led to believe that there are other teams in the tournament that
> include players under the age of 18, which also adds to our confusion.
> Thank you for your time and !
> help.
>
>
>
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I'd like to thank everyone who responded, but there were some apparent misunderstandings which I feel I need to clarify.  We only had a couple people on our roster, under the age of 15, that would be playing in the tournament, because the one 11 year old wouldn't be able to make it.  The youngest person who would be playing is 13 and is 5' 7, so she's not really an issue. Also, well over half the people on our roster are 17, months shy of being "a woman."   We were also including people aged 18 and over on our team, but that somehow did not matter.  Also, none of the people on our team, or their parents, had any problems during the season with injuries, language, physicality, etc that often occur when "girls" play "women's" teams.  Our team was also held well under control seeing as how we were near the bottom of the league in penalty minutes.

In some responses I got people said that the tournament is being run by a different group than the spring league so the rules are different.  this is not true however, they were both run by the rink, just organized by different people.  the woman who organized it is coincidently, the mother of a girl on one of the teams we beat.  the rink said that it is still their tournament, but they had someone else organize it because they did not know how to get in touch with women's teams.

We did not want to play in this tournament to win, we just wanted to play.  Some people apparently thought that we were gonna enter in a low division to win.  Thsi is not true, we wanted to enter the highest division.

Also, I recieved a response stating that there are tournaments for girls.  That is true, but we have not been made aware of any in our area during the summer.  Which is what we need as this is only a summer team. 

When we joined the spring league, they said that in order to play, everyone on the roster must be registered with USA Hockey and covered by their insurance, which everyone is.  Therefore, underage insurance is not an issue.

The only thing that people did not respond to, which I am still curious about, is if we are not allowed to enter because we are not 18, can they allow other girls in who are under 18 also?



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Hi all - 
        The Island Waves is a girls ice hockey organization for girls on Long 
Island and the NYC metro area. 
      The Island Waves 19u team is seeking a goalie  and a few 19u girls  
(ages 14 - 19) for the 2002-2003 season.   We also offer a 15U travel team 
and a developmental team as well.  
     We participate in the Atlantic Women's Hockey League and we are 
registered as a TierII NYS tournament bound organization.   We also offer 
spring and summer clinics that girls can attend on a weekly basis.  For more 
info... check out our website at www.islandwaveshockey.com or call me at 
516-679-8277 with any questions.  
         thanks - Judy Pernick (VP Island Waves)