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>Tier 1 means a team that is competing for a National Championship. Refer
>to your USA Hockey Annual Guide. Youth Hockey has Tier 1 and Tier 2, but
>Girls only has Tier 1.
This is true, but Tier II also has championships. However, in common
parlance, Tier I programms are often looked at as "AA". It is spelled out
better in the USAH guide. In the Wash DC area, the Little Caps are the
Tier I program, while the other USAH clubs which play are mostly Tier II,
though they do send clubs to regional, district and national
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> In my Level 1 ref
>clinic, and as pointed out by J.E. in USA Hockey rules, we were told that
>all equipment must be worn properly and safely.
It will keep on getting pointed out as you progress through the ranks ;^)
You see this frequently with Adult men - they just don't want to ;^) and
with younger players.
> My point is that the ref
>did not make an unusual or discretionary call, it's quite normal for them to
>make a big deal about chin straps.
And MOUTHPIECES. It sometimes gets overlooked for a few shifts of a
player, as often the ref (self-included) will be looking around the
face-off and wanting to get the puck down, and might not notice the
mouthpiece hanging out, or not there, or an undone/missing chin strap.
Generally the ref will hold up, have the strap fastened, or mouthpiece
put in, even if you have to help a lil' player. But, come back out again
with the improper equipment, and don't be surprised with a Misconduct.
It's not a discretionary call - except to the point that most refs will
allow the player to immediately correct the problem or get off the ice
until it's fixed rather than hand-out a Misconduct when noticing the
infraction.
All the Girls/Women 19 & Under players in the US should remember they
have to wear mouthpieces. The USAH board on Women's hockey made this
decision, and they really want it upheld. We recently had to hold a game
up for 15 minutes because the coaches of a girls 19 & under team thought
the mouthpieces didn't "really" matter. Funnily, just the week before, at
a pre-season game, this same team was warned, had the rule/safety
explained to them, and allowed to play only as it was more of an
exhibition scrimmage, with coaches on ice, as well as the refs. Pleading
ignorance, etc won't work, and the game would've been forfeited had they
not finally sent someone to the pro shop running for 20 mouthpieces!
ellice
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>Generally the ref will hold up, have the strap fastened, or mouthpiece
>put in, even if you have to help a lil' player. But, come back out again
>with the improper equipment, and don't be surprised with a Misconduct.
>It's not a discretionary call - except to the point that most refs will
>allow the player to immediately correct the problem or get off the ice
>until it's fixed rather than hand-out a Misconduct when noticing the
>infraction.
I wish that were so. I am amazed at how many refs don't really take it
seriously. They played that way, so they turn a blind eye, and let the
kids play that way. I remind all the girls to get their mouth pieces in,
and they laugh and say they always play that way. I would be happy to see
a kid thrown in the box for 10 minutes to the horror of both teams and
coaches. It would perhaps get the point across.
Debbie
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On the contrary, I think guys have a significant appreciation of the
differences between hips on women and hips on guys. The issue is, instead I
would suggest, whether there is sufficient buying demand from women who want
to referee and who want manufacturers to make ref gear which fits the female
form better or instead of generic guy stuff. (PS not all guys can get a
good fit in all brands or manufacturers -- and with lots of guys buying new
or replacement gear each season, that in part explains why there is a lot of
choice in men's gear...)
Which then leads me to state an observation which I have been forming for
several years -- and with the appropriate caveats about this is probably
only true of where I live and play, but there are so few active women
referees here that over 90% (probably more like 98%) of all referees are
male. I can't remember a game this or last year where I played, coached,
watched, or officiated where a women official worked the game in any
capacity except timekeeper.
Where are the women refs??? Eh???
Pat
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>
> I agree about the problems with ref equipment. My biggest problem is
> the hip area in the pants. I don't think guys understand this concept.
>
> J.E.
>
> ellice wrote:
> >
> > > Does anybody know of a vendor or resource which carries Women's
> Referee
> > >pants or any female referee gear for that matter?
> > I've been reffin' for a few years, and as far as I know, no such thing
> > exists. There are a couple of places on the web, like The Officials'
> > Wearhouse, that sell a bunch of gear, and carry multi brands, but no
> > specific female gear, yet ;^) There are some differences in what works
> > best for the female officials vs the males, but ... In the Southeast
> > District for USA Hockey, we now have a Women Officials' Development
> > person, Terry Jeffas. I'm the local Virginia/Maryland/DC person. Point
> > being, we're trying to do some things, including e-mail discussion list
> &
> > info meetings, mailings about womens issues.
> >
> > As far as getting gear - most of the women officials use the Bauer
> > Official's girdle under the pants, wear the same CCM pants as the guys
> > (just they're big in the waist and either you take them in, or use a
> > belt) and the Bauer Officials shin pads & elbows. The shin pads are
> light
> > weight, and pretty adjustable, so they work well, and the men's small
> > elbow pads are more comfy than player ones, and not so bulky. I had to
> > add extra velcro and snip the tails a bit so they wouldn't slip down,
> > but....The lovely striped polyester sweaters are pretty
> > generic.Alternatively, some folks use roller hockey girdles. The
> >
> > Major difference is in what's under the equipment. Most comfy stuff I've
> > used and seen used is the lightweight or silkweight FEMALE long
> underwear
> > that Patagonia makes - they're called Capilene tights. Work great under
> > the girdle and shin pads. I use Nike or similar Dri-fit black long
> sleeve
> > crew-neck tee's under the elbow pads and sweater. A lot of guys use
> > cotton tees and runner's leggings. Or even thermal underwear. My crew
> who
> > actually talk about this think that the thermies are tooo bulky under
> the
> > girdle. Up to you if you want to wear a jill over the girdle. I don't
> > know anyone who does, although the guys all wear cups. My advice, don't
> > wear like aerobic/spandex shorts under the girdle - they bunch up, get
> > really warm and you want something under the shin pads and polyester
> > pants ;^)
> >
> > I bet this is more than anyone wanted to know. But, sorry to bore the
> > list, if someone wants to talk - feel free to e-mail me. Generally I
> just
> > lurk here ;^)
> >
> > later skaters,
> > Ellice
> > email@hidden
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> > http://www.hockeyfanz.com/mailman/listinfo/women-in-hockey
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I actually remind both of the coaches to make sure the kids have their
mouthpieces in and their neckguards on (both are requirements in the leagues
here from Squirt up) That is their warning. I will usually be a little more
relaxed with Squirts or with house teams. But generally I will tell the kid
once and the next time they sit.
I hadn't ever really thought about chin straps. Guess I'll add that to my
list. "Ok, coach, have a good game and make sure your kids have their
mouthpieces in, neckguards on and chin straps fastened or they will sit."
"What, no warning?" (Typical coach reaction) "That is your warning coach."
Most of the coaches around here have gotten to know me. So they know I'm
serious about it. Guess that's a good thing.
With mites, I continually remind them and don't drop the puck until they all
have their equipment on correctly. Even travel. It's just to get them in the
correct habit of not leaving the bench with their equipment on improperly.
-Coral
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> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:44:55 -0500
> To: ellice
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> Subject: Re: chinstrap
>
>> Generally the ref will hold up, have the strap fastened, or mouthpiece
>> put in, even if you have to help a lil' player. But, come back out again
>> with the improper equipment, and don't be surprised with a Misconduct.
>> It's not a discretionary call - except to the point that most refs will
>> allow the player to immediately correct the problem or get off the ice
>> until it's fixed rather than hand-out a Misconduct when noticing the
>> infraction.
>
>
> I wish that were so. I am amazed at how many refs don't really take it
> seriously. They played that way, so they turn a blind eye, and let the
> kids play that way. I remind all the girls to get their mouth pieces in,
> and they laugh and say they always play that way. I would be happy to see
> a kid thrown in the box for 10 minutes to the horror of both teams and
> coaches. It would perhaps get the point across.
>
> Debbie
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Well there are two here in Atlanta. One who is brand new and hasn't done a
game yet. So that doesn't even make up the 2% that you estimated. You're
right. There probably isn't the demand there yet. Hopefully with the push
that USA hockey is trying to make, that will change. I remember two years
ago it was hard to find women's hockey equipment. Now a bunch of people are
making it. Louisville is even making women's goal pants. So hopefully the
demand will increase and the equipment will to!
-Coral
> From: Pat Warner
> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:48:10 -0500
> To: "'J.E. Hamer'" ,
> "'email@hidden'"
> Subject: RE: Female referee gear
>
> On the contrary, I think guys have a significant appreciation of the
> differences between hips on women and hips on guys. The issue is, instead I
> would suggest, whether there is sufficient buying demand from women who want
> to referee and who want manufacturers to make ref gear which fits the female
> form better or instead of generic guy stuff. (PS not all guys can get a
> good fit in all brands or manufacturers -- and with lots of guys buying new
> or replacement gear each season, that in part explains why there is a lot of
> choice in men's gear...)
>
> Which then leads me to state an observation which I have been forming for
> several years -- and with the appropriate caveats about this is probably
> only true of where I live and play, but there are so few active women
> referees here that over 90% (probably more like 98%) of all referees are
> male. I can't remember a game this or last year where I played, coached,
> watched, or officiated where a women official worked the game in any
> capacity except timekeeper.
>
> Where are the women refs??? Eh???
>
> Pat
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: J.E. Hamer [SMTP:email@hidden]
>> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 6:44 PM
>> To: ellice
>> Cc: Cathi Thomas; email@hidden
>> Subject: Re: Female referee gear
>>
>> I agree about the problems with ref equipment. My biggest problem is
>> the hip area in the pants. I don't think guys understand this concept.
>>
>> J.E.
>>
>> ellice wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does anybody know of a vendor or resource which carries Women's
>> Referee
>>>> pants or any female referee gear for that matter?
>>> I've been reffin' for a few years, and as far as I know, no such thing
>>> exists. There are a couple of places on the web, like The Officials'
>>> Wearhouse, that sell a bunch of gear, and carry multi brands, but no
>>> specific female gear, yet ;^) There are some differences in what works
>>> best for the female officials vs the males, but ... In the Southeast
>>> District for USA Hockey, we now have a Women Officials' Development
>>> person, Terry Jeffas. I'm the local Virginia/Maryland/DC person. Point
>>> being, we're trying to do some things, including e-mail discussion list
>> &
>>> info meetings, mailings about womens issues.
>>>
>>> As far as getting gear - most of the women officials use the Bauer
>>> Official's girdle under the pants, wear the same CCM pants as the guys
>>> (just they're big in the waist and either you take them in, or use a
>>> belt) and the Bauer Officials shin pads & elbows. The shin pads are
>> light
>>> weight, and pretty adjustable, so they work well, and the men's small
>>> elbow pads are more comfy than player ones, and not so bulky. I had to
>>> add extra velcro and snip the tails a bit so they wouldn't slip down,
>>> but....The lovely striped polyester sweaters are pretty
>>> generic.Alternatively, some folks use roller hockey girdles. The
>>>
>>> Major difference is in what's under the equipment. Most comfy stuff I've
>>> used and seen used is the lightweight or silkweight FEMALE long
>> underwear
>>> that Patagonia makes - they're called Capilene tights. Work great under
>>> the girdle and shin pads. I use Nike or similar Dri-fit black long
>> sleeve
>>> crew-neck tee's under the elbow pads and sweater. A lot of guys use
>>> cotton tees and runner's leggings. Or even thermal underwear. My crew
>> who
>>> actually talk about this think that the thermies are tooo bulky under
>> the
>>> girdle. Up to you if you want to wear a jill over the girdle. I don't
>>> know anyone who does, although the guys all wear cups. My advice, don't
>>> wear like aerobic/spandex shorts under the girdle - they bunch up, get
>>> really warm and you want something under the shin pads and polyester
>>> pants ;^)
>>>
>>> I bet this is more than anyone wanted to know. But, sorry to bore the
>>> list, if someone wants to talk - feel free to e-mail me. Generally I
>> just
>>> lurk here ;^)
>>>
>>> later skaters,
>>> Ellice
>>> email@hidden
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> women-in-hockey mailing list
>>> email@hidden
>>> http://www.hockeyfanz.com/mailman/listinfo/women-in-hockey
>>
>> --
>> ________________________________________
>>
>> J.E. Hamer
>> AstraZeneca
>> (h)302-737-8150
>> http://jhamer.homepage.com
>>
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>> _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,'
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>> GO STATE! BEAT TOLEDO!
>> JOE PATERNO GOES FOR 318!
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>I actually remind both of the coaches to make sure the kids have their
>mouthpieces in and their neckguards on (both are requirements in the leagues
>here from Squirt up) That is their warning. I will usually be a little more
>relaxed with Squirts or with house teams. But generally I will tell the kid
>once and the next time they sit.
It seems we all have about the same modus operandi. Since USAH doesn't
require neck guards, none of the leagues here do. Similarly, with youth
Squirts/Mites - mouthpieces aren't required - except for ALL the GIRLS.
But, the local league has asked that if the player has a mouthguard on
their helmet, then to enforce it. Idea being that if the parents bothered
to put it there, we should make the player use it.
Little folks, first time out, maybe 2nd, I'll tell them as we're facing
off to put it in. After that, it's to da' box ;^) The ones to watch are
those old enough to know better, put it in, and then spit it out while
playing. And yes, I have given that 10 min to everyone's horror. On the
player side, something to watch for _ I've had a new coach start yelling
at me to give a player a misconduct on the other team over the
mouthguard. I hadn't noticed the missing one the first time on the ice,
my choice was to tell the player & coach they couldn't play until she had
a mouthpiece, and she sat until someone got her one. And I told the other
coach I wasn't giving her a misconduct, as I hadn't noticed or warned
her, and the player - a new transplant from Canada, honestly didn't know
- but she had her neckguard on ;^)
>"What, no warning?" (Typical coach reaction) "That is your warning coach."
>Most of the coaches around here have gotten to know me. So they know I'm
>serious about it. Guess that's a good thing.
It's a good thing ;^) I think with the low percentage of female
officials, most of us are pretty recognizable. What coaches want is
consistency, and if we, they and the players know the rules, then we're
all able to have fun & be safe.
>With mites, I continually remind them and don't drop the puck until they all
>have their equipment on correctly. Even travel. It's just to get them in the
>correct habit of not leaving the bench with their equipment on improperly.
Good attitude. Hopefully after a while it reminds the coaches as well.
Especially with Mites, there are usually lots of coaches, even though
they're frequently not very experienced, they can remind the players &
parents it's about safety, not delaying the game.
ciao,
ellice - who has to go find a goalie for tonight - yikes!
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>>It's not a discretionary call - except to the point that most refs will
>>allow the player to immediately correct the problem or get off the ice
>>until it's fixed rather than hand-out a Misconduct when noticing the
>>infraction.
>
>
>I wish that were so. I am amazed at how many refs don't really take it
>seriously. They played that way, so they turn a blind eye, and let the
>kids play that way.
You're right, that it gets missed alot. Even by the most conscientious.
Sometimes there are just other things you're looking at, and depending on
the game, your eye just travels past. I'll generally remember some stupid
thing - like it's a red mouthguard hanging out on some kid, or some other
detail. And check again. I HATE having to keep reminding some 16 yr old
to put the mouthpiece in while we're skating down the ice! And have no
compunction about putting them in the box. But you're so right, I have
plenty of partners that will know the kids are spitting out the
mouthpieces as soon as they're skating and then say "oh, well" .
You can tell the refs during the pre-game little hellos that you'd like
them to enforce the mouthpiece thing - delicately so as not to upset
someone who was intent on doing it. It's a tough thing.
Here we're working hard on having the 19&under Girls games treated with
due respect, not putting 1st or 2nd year refs on the ice, but treating
them like the Midget boys, and having 3rd year (Level 3s) or at least
very strong Level 2s. I hate seeing refs that don't treat the Girls games
seriously enough. In this area, the girls 19& Under is a much tougher
game than the local Women's A or B.
>I remind all the girls to get their mouth pieces in,
>and they laugh and say they always play that way. I would be happy to see
>a kid thrown in the box for 10 minutes to the horror of both teams and
>coaches. It would perhaps get the point across.
You're a good coach - keep it up. And ask the refs to help you - we
usually like that ;^)
ellice
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>only true of where I live and play, but there are so few active women
>referees here that over 90% (probably more like 98%) of all referees are
>male.
This is a good observation. And I have to look up the exact numbers, but
will post them for curiousity sake. The place you see all the senior
women officials is at Women's nationals. It likely is about 98% male. In
general, there is a huge drop-off rate for officials. Like >60% of Level
1 refs will continue to be Level 3 refs.
> I can't remember a game this or last year where I played, coached,
>watched, or officiated where a women official worked the game in any
>capacity except timekeeper.
Imagine the thrill when 2 of us work together ;^)
>Where are the women refs??? Eh???
Well, at the pre-season count in the SouthEast District of USAH, we had
47. We even pushed for an extra seminar for new officials, advertizing it
"especially seeking women & girls" . And, we got 7 more, locally in
MD/VA/DC area. Whether they'll actually register and work games, remains
to be seen. But, we are trying hard to develop more.District
Championships are being hosted here, and we're working hard to train so
that our L2s will be able to Line the lower games. We only have 2 L3s,
and will be recruiting/training the women from all over the district to
have as many as possible work the tourney. I know that I, the other local
woman ref try to work as many of the girls/women games as we can. And the
local ref-in-chief & chief scheduler are working hard to help us develop
the female officials, and put at least one of us in the girls games,
though my broken foot hasn't helped for the last few months ;^(
My observation has been that the women officials may treat the womens
game a bit more seriously than some of our male counterparts. With the
guys, some really like doing the women's game, and appreciate letting us
play with contact and skill, while there are others still in some dark
age. BUt, there are people working to better the situation.
hobbling out the door,
ellice
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I've seen a lot of female ref's here in Canada. I've seen them in provincial leages and also university games.
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On the contrary, I think guys have a significant appreciation of the
differences between hips on women and hips on guys. The issue is, instead I
would suggest, whether there is sufficient buying demand from women who want
to referee and who want manufacturers to make ref gear which fits the female
form better or instead of generic guy stuff. (PS not all guys can get a
good fit in all brands or manufacturers -- and with lots of guys buying new
or replacement gear each season, that in part explains why there is a lot of
choice in men's gear...)
Which then leads me to state an observation which I have been forming for
several years -- and with the appropriate caveats about this is probably
only true of where I live and play, but there are so few active women
referees here that over 90% (probably more like 98%) of all referees are
male. I can't remember a game this or last year where I played, coached,
watched, or officiated where a women official worked the game in any
capacity except timekeeper.
Where are the women refs??? Eh???
Pat
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>
> I agree about the problems with ref equipment. My biggest problem is
> the hip area in the pants. I don't think guys understand this concept.
>
> J.E.
>
> ellice wrote:
> >
> > > Does anybody know of a vendor or resource which carries Women's
> Referee
> > >pants or any female referee gear for that matter?
> > I've been reffin' for a few years, and as far as I know, no such thing
> > exists. There are a couple of places on the web, like The Officials'
> > Wearhouse, that sell a bunch of gear, and carry multi brands, but no
> > specific female gear, yet ;^) There are some differences in what works
> > best for the female officials vs the males, but ... In the Southeast
> > District for USA Hockey, we now have a Women Officials' Development
> > person, Terry Jeffas. I'm the local Virginia/Maryland/DC person. Point
> > being, we're trying to do some things, including e-mail discussion list
> &
> > info meetings, mailings about womens issues.
> >
> > As far as getting gear - most of the women officials use the Bauer
> > Official's girdle under the pants, wear the same CCM pants as the guys
> > (just they're big in the waist and either you take them in, or use a
> > belt) and the Bauer Officials shin pads & elbows. The shin pads are
> light
> > weight, and pretty adjustable, so they work well, and the men's small
> > elbow pads are more comfy than player ones, and not so bulky. I had to
> > add extra velcro and snip the tails a bit so they wouldn't slip down,
> > but....The lovely striped polyester sweaters are pretty
> > generic.Alternatively, some folks use roller hockey girdles. The
> >
> > Major difference is in what's under the equipment. Most comfy stuff I've
> > used and seen used is the lightweight or silkweight FEMALE long
> underwear
> > that Patagonia makes - they're called Capilene tights. Work great under
> > the girdle and shin pads. I use Nike or similar Dri-fit black long
> sleeve
> > crew-neck tee's under the elbow pads and sweater. A lot of guys use
> > cotton tees and runner's leggings. Or even thermal underwear. My crew
> who
> > actually talk about this think that the thermies are tooo bulky under
> the
> > girdle. Up to you if you want to wear a jill over the girdle. I don't
> > know anyone who does, although the guys all wear cups. My advice, don't
> > wear like aerobic/spandex shorts under the girdle - they bunch up, get
> > really warm and you want something under the shin pads and polyester
> > pants ;^)
> >
> > I bet this is more than anyone wanted to know. But, sorry to bore the
> > list, if someone wants to talk - feel free to e-mail me. Generally I
> just
> > lurk here ;^)
> >
> > later skaters,
> > Ellice
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Hi -
I know this will probably sound dumb, but this is a subject I am now just
starting to explore.
I am an adult, just starting out playing. I have all the gear except a
mouth guard. My dentist wants me to wear one so I don't lose my teeth, but
I have a full cage on and don't think that would happen (probably dumb again).
However, I seem to keep falling on the back of my head. Butt first, then
straight back. I get shaken up, but my helmet has prevented any damage
(that I can tell). Someone recommended using a mouthguard to protect
against concussions.
Do they work for this? How and why? Also, how does one breathe with that
thing in place? My nose is usually stuffed up, so I am uncertain.
Also, is it better to get one through my dentist (about $250) or at the
sports store (a whole lot cheaper). Does custom made ones make any difference?
Any other words of advice?
Thanks in advance!!
Jan
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It's all a matter of personal preference. USA Hockey requires mouthguards to
help prevent concussions. That much is true. Realize that kids are required
to wear the same full face cage that you wear, but they have to wear the
mouthpiece and it has to be connected to the cage.
When I played out, I used a custom fitted on that I had from martial arts. I
couldn't stand the "boil & bite" ones that you find in the local sports
stores. I couldn't breathe and they were uncomfortable for me. But I have
friends that use them with no trouble.
If you are interested in a custom mouth guard, call around. Some dentists
will cut you a deal (I got mine at cost, around $25, I think). Ask the
hockey directors too, some dentists will actually do it for cost (or
slightly above) just to get the kids to wear the custom mouth guards. I know
this doesn't help much, but it's all personal preference.
-Coral
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> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:58:44 -0800
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>
> Hi -
>
> I know this will probably sound dumb, but this is a subject I am now just
> starting to explore.
>
> I am an adult, just starting out playing. I have all the gear except a
> mouth guard. My dentist wants me to wear one so I don't lose my teeth, but
> I have a full cage on and don't think that would happen (probably dumb again).
>
> However, I seem to keep falling on the back of my head. Butt first, then
> straight back. I get shaken up, but my helmet has prevented any damage
> (that I can tell). Someone recommended using a mouthguard to protect
> against concussions.
>
> Do they work for this? How and why? Also, how does one breathe with that
> thing in place? My nose is usually stuffed up, so I am uncertain.
>
> Also, is it better to get one through my dentist (about $250) or at the
> sports store (a whole lot cheaper). Does custom made ones make any difference?
>
> Any other words of advice?
>
> Thanks in advance!!
>
> Jan
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Mouth guards=good idea.
I was at practice a couple weeks ago, and we were doing this breakout drill
or something...but it is definetly a heads up drill, and well I got caught
with my head down. We have a couple of guys on our practice squad and one of
them is at least 6 foot, and he had his head down also and we slammed into
each other and I not wearing a mouth guard ended up with a bloody
tongue...had I been wearing a mouth guard, it wouldn't have happened. And
another time at some womens/girls clinic, also not wearing a mouth guard, I
caught a rut or an edge or something and fell and went full speed into the
boards with the side of my body, but in the process chomped down really hard
and had headaches for the next 4 days (of course my parents didn't think it
was serious enough and didn't look into it)
So I have now learned my lesson and wear my mouthguard any time that I am on
the ice.
Now if only I could stop going into the boards knee first...
Jennie
(finally on a real competitive team...)
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Mouthguards work to protect from concussion as well as battered teeth.
Even a mild concussion can be unsettling to your life. Missing work, not
driving, having trouble taking care of youself and your family are all
things that can happen even if you don't loose consciousness. Let's face
it, you can always get new teeth, but you cannot get a new brain. You may
not need the high priced guard from your dentist, but get a good one like
shock doctor. Wear it and protect yourself.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Debbie
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>Mouthguards work to protect from concussion as well as battered teeth.
*snipping*
Exactly true. The mouthguard's primary function is anti-concussion. It
prevents the transmission of shock through the mandibles (bones of your
jaw) up the skull and into the brain cavity. We used to have a goalie in
one of my men's leagues who was a neurosurgeon. He was on some AMA &
sports committee that did all kinds of studies and were very active in
woroking to have athletes, especially hockey players ;^) wear
mouthguards. It doesn't matter if you play checking or not - there's
still contact, and hard falls, as we've all learned the hard way.
>not need the high priced guard from your dentist, but get a good one like
>shock doctor. Wear it and protect yourself.
Second that motion. I and several of my friends use the shock doctor
ones. When I was at a recent coaching clinic, the professional trainer
speaking said just to make sure it's a mouthpiece with the $10,000
liability or insurance limit. And make sure you fit it well, pressing it
in place after the boiling. He even suggested that coaches make it a
group activity for teams who don't have them - a mouthpiece boiing and
fitting party. Woohoo ;^)
later,
ellice
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>I've seen a lot of female ref's here in Canada. I've seen them in
>provincial leages and also university games.
Agreed, when we're at tourneys up there, we've noticed a lot more
girls/women working in the rinks. Not that I've seen any working our
men's league tournaments, but definitely with some youth games and the
women's tournaments.
There just aren't many here in the US .... yet. But there are some really
good ones, including Christa Knight who worked the ECAC (college) finals
- for the men!
Ellice
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Hi
I am an avid fan of a mouthguard for all the reasons
you mentioned. I recommend getting one from the
dentist. I use to wear a regular mouthguard and
finally had one made. (My cost was $100, the dentist
charges you his cost only for these) It is so worth
the money, the fit is great, you can breath/talk a lot
easier.
Just my 2 cents...
Patti
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> Any other words of advice?
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> Thanks in advance!!
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> Jan
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I am on a USA-registered womens B team here in Michigan, and was
curious as to what the rules were concerning mouthguards for our team. I
have heard that after the age of 19 it is the player's choice as to
whether or not they wear one, yet I have also heard that it was mandatory
for all players to have one. Any input?
Andrea
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I have always found it curious that in the US, mouthguards are mandatory,
but in
Canada it is neckguards that are mandatory. I play full contact broomball,
so know
very well the value of the mouthguard, but I rarely use one. I also DESPISE
neckguards, and don't wear one to play in the mens league - I hate it that I
HAVE
to wear one at womens tournaments. But I see the value of this particular
piece
of equipment as well, as uncomfortable as I find them on my throat.
Deanna Manson
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
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