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Women-in-Hockey Digest Monday, April 3 2000 Volume 01 : Number 643
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Re: US players vs. Canadian players
Re: US players vs. Canadian players
Live(ish) Reports from the Women's Worlds
"embarrassment and lack of confidence" -- help wanted
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Re: "embarrassment and lack of confidence" -- help wanted
re: Rachel, another comment from Mom
Re: "embarrassment and lack of confidence" -- help wanted
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Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 07:58:38 -0400
From: "Cindy Goodman"
Subject: Re: US players vs. Canadian players
Luckily for us (the Canadian fans) they aren't as materialistic as you are and love playing the game of hockey. They also have an elite league to play in all year that keeps them competitive, something which is lacking badly in the US. All this reading you've been doing and you haven't realized that the status of womens hockey has changed drastically in the last 5 years. If someone gave me the opportunity to play hockey at this level for my country I would do it for nothing let alone the "peanuts" these players receive. Most of these players all have jobs and relationships or are in school full time just like everyone else. As far as "same old faces" well yeah there are players from previous years ofcourse, but there are quite a few of new faces too. And now with a proper coaching staff in place (couldn't resist Phil) for the past couple of years, things are going much better for the Canadian team. Let's talk again on April 9 shall we?
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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 08:22:33 -0400
From: Debbie Minden
Subject: Re: US players vs. Canadian players
Peanuts pay goes a long way when you have universal health care. I know, I
know, it ain't what it used to be, but when you don't have to worry about
finding an extra $6,000 to $10,000 a year to insure your safety, it helps a
lot.
I don't have the numbers. What is the percentage of Canadian vs. US
players who continue on past college? Is the difference more apparent than
real? Do they quit playing and go on to coach, train, or otherwise stay in
the field? Are there more opportunities to carry on in the field of hockey
and spread your expertise rather than continue to play? Just because you
aren't on the front lines doesn't mean you have left the game. The number
of D1 plus D3 teams in the US is greater than the number of colleges and
universities in Canada. Maybe there are more places to go for American
women.
Debbie
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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 07:18:52 -0700
From: "Phil Cottrell"
Subject: Live(ish) Reports from the Women's Worlds
The IIHF site has live updates from the Women's Worlds, beginning this
afternoon. Here's the link:
http://www.iihf.net/9900/WWSA.asp?qsLayout=45
Phil, Victoria, BC
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Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 10:51:21 -0400
From: Heidi Kay
Subject: "embarrassment and lack of confidence" -- help wanted
Hello again folks,
Some of you may remember me "bragging" about my "red-headed" six year old
defenseperson, and how she has turned into a bit of a wallflower on her
mite team.
Well, yesterday we had a troubling conversation with her. I am looking
for some support, (maybe a letter or two from your you or daughters, I am
not sure) and am not quite sure what to do.
My son (Josh) is 8 and has a couple short seasons of mite eligibility left
before he goes up to metro squirts. He and his almost 7 (two weeks from
now) year old sister (Rachel) now play in the in-house mite recreational
league, and Dad is coach. The mite travel team has been pestering my
husband to move Josh into travel mites, and they have offered my husband a
position on the bench as well. We are not convinced that the weekends
away from home, money and stress on the family are worth it. However,
this upcoming spring travel season is only six weeks long. We decided it
was worth a try just to see how we like it, and to give my son a "boost"
before he moves up to metro squirts.
Where does Rachel come in? Well, we thought that we could ask the team if
Rachel could practice with the travel team to help her with her skills, and
maybe by the end of the season she would be good enough to play a few
shifts in games, if the coaches think she is ready. We asked Rachel
first though, to see if she wanted to if she would be allowed
to.........Now, understand that half of the travel mite team has played
with her before, another quarter have played against her, and she is at
least as good as a couple of the boys who are going up for the first time
for this spring season. They are all good kids, and she has had no bad
experiences with any of them. Two of the boys are exactly her age and she
has kept up with them stride for stride in skating ability. They have
only eclipsed her in mites because they have more confidence while she has
kept a low profile and plays only defense. (When Rachel was in mini-mites
she would score several goals per game against these same two boys. )
So we asked her if she wanted (practice with them, while still staying on
the in-house team as well, with Dad and her brother) and HUGE TEARS
ensued. After an hour of trying to decipher what on earth was upsetting
her so, we have finally figured out what is going on in her pretty little
head.
She is AFRAID of making mistakes. She doesn't want to move up (to offense
or to the mite travel team, because if she makes a mistake the boys will
tease her and tell her she doesn't belong because she is a girl. Somehow
she thinks that she is not worthy to be there, and that she has to be
"perfect" or she is going to be told she doesn't belong. We have NO idea
where this feeling has come from. She had that one bad experience with a
boy, and that is ALL we know of. We are a very liberated, family with
lots of female athletes for role models (none, hockey however). She has
continued to be the only girl in the league for most of her "career" however.
She is a standout at soccer and as the youngest player (on an under 8's
coed team - half boys, half girls) already is considered an all-star and
has scored 5 goals this season in three low scoring games. Her coach has
taken me aside and told me that she is a VERY special athlete.
We asked her what the difference was, (being THE youngest player in soccer
and "going for it" vs. not even being the youngest in hockey, and holding
back, and she said that "the boys know girls are supposed to play soccer."
Please understand that are not trying to push her into something she is not
ready for ability-wise. She is a GREAT little player, and is very ready
to practice at a higher level (there are plenty of kids who have paid to
practice with this team, but don't play with them yet) We REALLY
wouldn't care if she wanted to quit if she decided that hockey isn't her
thing. We just hate to see her give up for a stupid reason. We asked
her if she wanted to drop out of hockey and that we would totally support
her -- (I can see that it would be tough to be the only girl in the league
and would TOTALLY understand). But she emphatically said, "NO, she does
not want to quit hockey, and that she loves the sport, but she said, in
essence, that she only wants to play where she feels safe. "The boys on
the in-house team are my friends and they won't make fun of
me" Yet, three of her current teammates including her brother are moving
up to travel this season and several of her former teammates are already up
there.
We are pretty sure that if we were to insist that she practice on the
travel team that she would be just fine after the first practice, (as she
was when she moved up to mites) but we don't want to do something that
could scar her either. She cried like this too, when it was time to move
her up from mini-mites to mites. At that point she could have only quit
hockey to avoid moving up because she was told she had to move up because
of her age, so she stopped fighting it. In this case, she could continue
to stay exclusively in in-house mites.
She has been praised to her face by NHL players whose kids play at our
rink, and by our local NHL TV broadcaster who has told her that she is a
standout. She has skated up and down the ice with Cammi Granato who has
offered encouragement as well. Her teammates really love her, and the
only jerk who gave her trouble is no longer playing on our team.
Any ideas? If any of you Olympians or college standouts have the time
for a photo and quick letter to her, that would be great. I think she
has the misconception that you all have
played on true co-ed or girls teams all your lives -- even though we tried
to tell her otherwise.
Heidi Kay
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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:13:43 -0600
From: Danielle Dufour
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?CHA_Release/Communiqu=E9_ACH?=
> CANADIAN HOCKEY
> ASSOCIATION
> CANADIENNE DE HOCKEY
>
> NEWS RELEASE / COMMUNIQUE
> April 1, 2000
NR026.00
>
> CANADA WINS FINAL TUNE-UP GAME FOR 2000 IIHF WOMEN'S WORLD HOCKEY
CHAMPIONSHIP WITH 9-1 VICTORY OVER SWEDEN
>
> SARNIA, ON - Canada won it's final tune-up game for the 2000 IIHF Women's
World Hockey Championship, defeating Sweden 9-1 in Sarnia, ON on Saturday,
April 1st.
>
> Danielle Goyette, of St-Nazaire, QC scored three goals while Lori Dupuis,
of Cornwall, ON and Tammy Lee Shewchuk, of St-Laurent, QC added two apiece
as Canada outshot Sweden 48-11. Therese Brisson, of MontrŽal, QC, Vicky
Sunohara, of Scarborough, ON and Nancy Drolet, of Drummondville, QC closed
out the scoring for Canada. Gunilla Andersson scored Sweden's only goal.
>
> Canada will arrive in Mississauga on April 2, 2000 and will have an
optional skate at the Hershey Centre from 3:15 pm-3:45 pm. Players and the
coaching staff will be available for interviews following the practice.
> Canada's schedule at the Worlds during the preliminary round is as
follows:
> Monday, April 3, 2000 11 am-11:45 am Pre-game skate Hershey Centre
> 7:30 pm Canada vs. Japan
Hershey Centre
> Tuesday, April 4, 2000 10 am-10:45 am Pre-game skate Iceland 3
> 7:30 pm Canada vs. China
Kitchener Mem. Auditorium
> Wednesday, April 5 10:30 am-11:45 am Practice
Hershey Centre
> Thursday, April 6 11 am-11:45 am Pre-game skate Hershey Centre
> 7:30 pm Canada vs. Sweden
Hershey Centre
> Friday, April 7 Off-day Practice times and locations
to be determined
> Saturday, April 8 Semi-finals Schedule to
be determined
> Sunday, April 9 Gold and Bronze medal games Schedule to
be determined
> The 2000 IIHF Women's World Hockey Championships is taking place from
April 3-9 in Mississauga, ON as well as in a number of surrounding
communities. Tickets are available through TICKETMASTER at 416-872-5000. For
more information, contact the World Championship Office at 905-282-9711 or
at email@hidden
>
> For more information on Canada's National Women's Team, including the
media guide, the 2000 IIHF Women's World Hockey Championship, as well as
information on the Canadian Hockey Association, visit the CHA's official
website at www.canadianhockey.ca
>
> AndrŽ Brin
> Manager, Media Relations
> GŽrant, relations mŽdias
> Canadian Hockey Association
> Association canadienne de hockey
> 1-403-777-3609
>
> CANADIAN HOCKEY
> ASSOCIATION
> CANADIENNE DE HOCKEY
>
> NEWS RELEASE / COMMUNIQUE
> le 1 avril 2000
NR026f.00
>
> LE CANADA REMPORTE SON DERNIER MATCH HORS-CONCOURS AVANT LE CHAMPIONNAT
MONDIAL DE HOCKEY FƒMININ, DEVAN‚ANT LA SUéDE 9 Ë 1
>
> SARNIA (ONTARIO) - Le Canada a remportŽ le dernier de ses matchs
prŽparatoires pour le Championnat mondial de hockey fŽminin 2000, en
devanant la Sude par la marque de 9 ˆ 1 ˆ Sarnia (Ont.) le samedi, 1er
avril.
>
> Danielle Goyette, de St-Nazaire (PQ) a comptŽ trois buts pendant que Lori
Dupuis, de Cornwall (Ont.) et Tammy Lee Shewchuk, de St-Laurent (PO) ont
ajoutŽ deux buts chacune dans un match qui a vu le Canada dominŽ au chapitre
des tirs au but 48-11. Therese Brisson, de MontrŽal, (PQ) Vicky Sunohara,
de Scarborough (Ont.) et Nancy Drolet, de Drummondville (QuŽ.) ont Žgalement
enfilŽ des buts pour le Canada. Gunilla Andersson a inscrit le seul but de
la Sude.
>
> Le Canada arrivera ˆ Mississauga le 2 avril, 2000 et aura un entra”nement
libre au Centre Hershey de 15h15 ˆ 15h45. Les joueuses et les membres du
personnel des entra”neurs seront disponibles pour des entrevues suivant
l'entra”nement. >
>
> Le calendrier de l'Žquipe canadienne lors de la ronde prŽliminaire est
comme suit:
> le lundi 3 avril 11h-11h45 Entra”nement libre
Centre Hershey
> 19h30 Canada vs. Japon
Centre Hershey
> le mardi 4 avril 10h-10h45 Entra”nement
Iceland 3
> 19h30 Canada vs. Chine
Kitchener Mem. Auditorium
> le mercredi, 5 avril 10h30 -11h45 Entra”nement
Centre Hershey
> le jeudi, 6 avril 11h-11h45 Entra”nement
Centre Hershey
> 19h30 Canada vs. Sude
Centre Hershey
> le vendredi, 7 avril JournŽe congŽ Entra”nements ˆ dŽterminer
> le samedi, 8 avril Demi-finales
Horaire ˆ dŽterminer
> le dimanche 9 avril Matchs de bronze et d'or Horaire ˆ
dŽterminer
>
> The 2000 IIHF Women's World Hockey Championships is taking place from
April 3-9 in Mississauga, ON as well as in a number of surrounding
communities. Tickets are available through TICKETMASTER at 416-872-5000. For
more information, contact the World Championship Office at 905-282-9711 or
at email@hidden
>
> For more information on Canada's National Women's Team, including the
media guide, the 2000 IIHF Women's World Hockey Championship, as well as
information on the Canadian Hockey Association, visit the CHA's official
website at www.canadianhockey.ca
>
> AndrŽ Brin
> Manager, Media Relations
> GŽrant, relations mŽdias
> Canadian Hockey Association
> Association canadienne de hockey
> 1-403-777-3609
>
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Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 10:49:25 -0400
From: Louise
Subject: Re: "embarrassment and lack of confidence" -- help wanted
I'm not an Olympian, just a coach and organizer. So the letter is more for
you than for your daughter, but feel free to share the useful parts with
her too.
The first thing that struck me about your letter is what a great
relationship you must have with your kids, for your little daughter to be
comfortable trying to put into words something as nebulous as this. She
must really trust you not to "talk her out of" feelings, for her to be
sharing them with you. I think that's great. And I think it's important
to respect feelings like this.
I also think she's a really perceptive kid for 6, to notice the differences
in how she's treated in soccer and in hockey.
If I were you, I would definitely let her set her own limits on this, even
when you can see that she's underestimating herself. If she watches some
of the travel-team practices and games this year, she might start to think
a little differently about it - for example, when she's not anxious about
her own performance, she might notice some of the things that the other
little boys (or even her big brother!) are doing wrong. Without pushing
too hard, maybe you could use this as a teaching example in the future, to
show that everybody makes mistakes, and that's okay ...
I think this example helps illustrate something I've been thinking lately
and not really known how to express - that the effect of being the "only
girl" is really insidious, and can make a difference even when the family,
the coaches, and most of the kids don't make any big deal of it. It might
be really healthy for your daughter to have a few years of being one of the
best ones in the house league, until she feels ready to do something a
little more risky.
The part about being scared to play forward is a little trickier, I think.
I coach a team of 5-7-year-old girls, and I always get everybody to play
every position every game. (Except for goalie, of course. All the kids
who wanted to try goal got one practice and one game in net.) Some of them
were scared or reluctant to change positions at the beginning, but we stuck
to it, and now they think it's normal not to have a choice. Of course,
some of them have no clue about how to be a useful defence, or what to do
on centre, but they're all learning, and there's no sense about some
positions having "better" players or more responsibility. They do know
that centre is the "prestige" position, because they make sure I know who
hasn't had a turn being centre yet ... If Rachel's dad is one of the
coaches of her team, maybe he could try things like getting everybody to
play different positions in practice, or making a point of having everybody
play unfamiliar positions for a certain game.
Some things you might also start thinking about, for future use:
- - Find out what female hockey exists now within commuting distance of where
you live. (It is almost certain that within the next two Olympic cycles,
there will be more, so don't let this discourage you.)
- - Take Rachel to watch some women's games or older girls' games.
- - You might try asking whether any older female players (either in the
local boys' league or on a women's team) would be interested in helping out
with coaching on your kids' teams. It gets a little harder for the little
boys to perpetuate their "girls can't play" myths when they have a
competent older girl on the ice with them at practice.
- - Try networking with the parents of any other girls in the boys' leagues.
- - Start collecting recommendations and brochures for girls' hockey clinics
and camps.
- - Pay attention to anecdotes around here about what people in different
areas have done to start girls' programs in their areas. Sooner or later,
you may be in a situation where Rachel really doesn't want to play boys'
hockey, but she's too young for existing girls' programs or they're too far
away, and you might find yourself becoming a girls' hockey organizer. We'd
be glad to help and to point you at other resources!
I don't suppose you'd be interested in moving to Kingston Ontario? ;-)
Hope some of this helps,
Louise
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Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 12:15:29 -0400
From: Heidi Kay
Subject: re: Rachel, another comment from Mom
I thank you all in advance for your responses regarding Rachel. I have
already read one wonderful post suggesting that I let her hang back (on
defense and from the travel team), even though I know she is
underestimating herself. Her comments have some definite merit.
However, I got another response from a reader who was very upset that I
was "pushing" my daughter. I really don't feel that we are pushing her at
all. My only concern is that she not develop mis-perceptions about her
own abilities and worthiness as a female athlete in a male dominated sport
that's all. She is too young to start carrying that baggage.
As I mentioned in my previous post, if she wanted to quit altogether, even
if it was because she didn't like being the only girl, I REALLY wouldn't
care if that is what she wanted. We have no interest in her being some
type of poster child for the game of women's hockey. But if she loves
the game, which she has told us that she does, I would hate to see her
quit because someone put ideas in her head that she shouldn't play. (She
mentioned too that her girlfriend at school teased her because she plays
hockey, and that it hurt her feelings.)
She is a VERY special little girl. I love her soooooooooo much. It just
breaks my heart to see society "get to her"
Heidi Kay
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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 14:26:29 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: "embarrassment and lack of confidence" -- help wanted
In a message dated 4/3/00 10:59:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
email@hidden writes:
<< So we asked her if she wanted (practice with them, while still staying on
the in-house team as well, with Dad and her brother) and HUGE TEARS
ensued. After an hour of trying to decipher what on earth was upsetting
her so, we have finally figured out what is going on in her pretty little
head. >>
Hi Heidi!
Your letter REALLY hit home to me as I also have a daughter who will be 11 in
July and I have coached her on a boys team since she was 4 1/2 years old. We
too, have had times with a little bit of crying and this "I'm afraid of
making mistakes" business. I know that is has HAD to help tremendously, that
I have ALWAYS been her Head Coach, but even at that, I have still had some of
the same experiences with her. I have a feeling, that if Dad is involved on
the ice and on the bench, that will make a tremendous difference, she
probably doesn't see that now, but she will. I know my situation has been
different, because I am very well known as a player in my community here and
I've always played with men, just about always being the only woman on the
team, so all the kids that I coach are well aware of the fact that even
though I am a woman, I could totally school their butts on the ice at any
time. LOL
My Daughter has also (up until half way through this last season) exclusively
played defence. She always preffered Defence, but I always made sure that I
let her know, she was on defence BECAUSE she was good, not the other way
around. She's made the transition to offence really well and at this point,
it's up to her what she wants to play.
I can tell you from experience that I got more of the tears and fear when my
daughter was closer to your daughters age than I do now. My daughter seems
to adopt the attitude that boys can REALLY be pretty stupid and act pretty
stupidly and pretty much doesn't pay them any mind, unless she is close to
getting her period (which is a WHOLE other issue that we have had to deal
with in hockey this year, unfortunately!) I do not only have a 10 year who
has to play with boys, I have a 10 year old who now has breasts AND her
period! ) :
I don't know if it's possible in your situation, but when she goes back to
playing the regular season during the fall, if there are ANY other girls in
the same age group, try to get them on her team. I have always taken
whatever girls were in the same age division, although it has never given my
daughter any more than 2 female teammates. So it's always been, my daughter,
2 other girls and 12 boys, but it DOES help.
I would be very happy to have my daughter - Bianca, write your daughter
privately. In fact, I think it would be a good thing for my daughter also -
to give encouragement to a younger girl player. It would give Bianca a
chance to sit and really think about some of her own "issues" and
"experiences". Let me know, I'll have her write today if need be.
Keep the Faith!
Jackie
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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:38:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sandra Manzi
Subject: [none]
I have been on this news group for about a month now
and although I think it's great I can't understand why
their isn't more information and discussions about
women's hockey in Toronto. And I don't mean the
World's tournament happening in Mississauga right now
either. I'm talking about information on women's
leagues in the city. Where are they? When are they
starting for the summer? Are their any Roller Hockey
leagues out their? Ball hockey leages? Ice and Roller
hockey clinics for women? Pick-up games? I mean it's
endless really, and Toronto is such a hot bed for
hockey that surely we can be relaying more information
to each other on this group.
I got alot of information about women's hockey in the
U.S., but unfortunatly their too far.
Come on you Torontonians lets hear from you.
I'll start. I will be playing in a women's league at
Moss Park Arena this summer. It's a recreational
league with beginners to advanced players. I kind of
fall somewhere in between there.
Sandra, Toronto Hailstones, #10.
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