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Women-in-Hockey Digest Saturday, August 21 1999 Volume 01 : Number 483
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Re: breakout pass
Re: breakout pass
Re: Playing exclusively on girls' team
Rollerhockey
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Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:35:33 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: breakout pass
Well, I'm not a coach, or even that experienced. But I have read a lot, and
in one of Wayne Gretzky's books, he says something along the lines of this:
"most people go onto the ice thinking that its 6 on 6 hockey. But in reality
its 8 on 8 hockey...you can use the boards, and the goal to bounce pucks off
of. And you should use it to your advantage."
Sure, you can't always use them, but hey its not against the rules, so why
not.
Jennie
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Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 09:58:12 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: breakout pass
In a message dated 8/21/99 12:29:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
email@hidden writes:
<< He had the wingers get in position right around the hash marks, but about
1.5
- 2 feet away from the boards, ready to receive a stick-to-stick pass.
I asked if we should stand with our butt agaisnt the board, and one skate
against the board (as I have been instructed to do by numerous coaches in
the
past) in case the puck comes up the boards, we can pick it up off our skate,
it will bounce to our stick, and off we go! >>
Well after playing hockey for 9 years and going to numerous camps I have
learned that when a coach is teaching a more inexperianced team that he'll
have the wingers stay on the boards at the hash marks so they are constanly
in position. With more experienced players the coach will tell them to get
off the boards and maybe even skate up ice with the defensemen to get a
faster break out. When the player stands off the boards they can get back to
the boards if the need to. Either way is correct it just depends on the level
of experience of the team you're playing with .
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Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:44:02 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Playing exclusively on girls' team
In a message dated 8/20/99 11:32:23 PM Central Daylight Time,
email@hidden writes:
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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:41:07 -0600
From: "Erickson, Pamela J (Pamela)** CTR **"
Subject: Re: How far are have we come?
How ironic this thread comes today! As we with the Colorado Xtreme 19U Tier
1 team try to get the program rolling again for the third season we still
struggle with getting kids to join.
For the last two seasons we have only missed attending Nationals by losing
to Aspen by one goal. We had 3 team members attend the National Junior
Olympic camp in Lake Placid this summer. The first year we had 5 graduate
and 3 go on to play college hockey (1 at a Div 1 school and 2 at Div 3
schools) and this last year one graduating going on to play at Ohio State.
Our program continues to grow and get better. With the help of the list's
advice on interviewing coaches, we were able to get a top notch, award
winning coach (who by the way used to coach Junior A teams).
And still I get messages from parents (of one of the top notch kids) send me
messages about not playing because the boys teams will get her further. I
did mention that exposure will be tough and that the talent pool available
in MN and the East is huge. Below is an exerpt. I am looking for what kind
of advice I can give this parent to help them decide to play and commit to
this girls team, or should I just let it drop!?!?!? See below a short
exerpt:
dad says:............
we're still debating whether daughter will play for the Colorado Xtreme or
not. daughter will play hockey and lacrosse for high school (IN COLORADO
ONLY BOYS HS HOCKEY).
even though -my daughter- hasn't played on a boys team much recently, i
think you'd agree that daughter made it to lake placid because of what they
learned playing w/the guys, not because of the girls team. daughter is very
competitive, and the only way she'll improve is to play with better players.
due to our location in CO, i believe the way for a girl to get better at the
game is to play w/the guys. sure, minnesota, CT, MA, etc., have had the
numbers long enough to have great women's programs. it's just not here yet.
.................
So, this is how far we have come. Like many of you, still struggling to get
a program going, dealing with the long drives, community support, etc. Just
think where we all would be if we just gave up. I guess we'd have never won
the Gold in Nagano. Unless maybe they let women play on the men's team.
But that ain't gonna happen either.
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I can understand this parent's point of view. My daughter(age 12) has played
8 yrs. on a boys' 'A' travel team. There aren't girls teams in our area.
This summer there was a girls' camp sponsored by a Sr. womens' team in St.
Louis, MO. They plan to form a girls team this fall. This would involve
alot of travel to get to where there are other girls teams to play against.
It was suggested to stay on your regular boys team and supplement w/ the new
girls team. So, I don't believe there is a rule conflict with playing on
both. For us, this is the perfect solution. If we had to pick one or the
other at this point in time we would choose boys' hockey. There was one other
girl of Olivia's skill level who also plays on a boys 'A' team. This parent
is correct when stating you get better by playing w/ better players. They
push you more. You have to try harder.
Your best 'selling' point is, "How many girl college scouts come to boys
hockey games?" In my area the answer is none. We are very grateful that a
girls team is starting so Olivia can get some exposure with the 'girls world
of hockey'. We plan on doing both boys and girls hockey as long as she can
compete w/ the boys. I believe there will come a time when the boys become
man-size and she won't physically be able to take their checks. We'll see.
Quite honestly, Olivia may be one of the two best female hockey players in
our area(including Sr. women players), but she'll never be the best among the
boy players. The skill-level and competition in the boys' teams are fierce.
So far, I haven't seen that matched in the girl's/womens' teams. I look
foward to seeing other girls' teams compete because maybe it's different in
areas where girls' hockey has been established for a few years.
Debbie #49's Mom
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Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:27:41 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Rollerhockey
Hello everyone, I'm new to this list - i just joined yesterday. Im Danielle,
17, MI.
I wanted to tell you all that i just joined a Rollerhockey league and i'll be
starting in Sept. My team is women of all ages (12 - 50) (prob. because they
don't get enough women for each age group).
It's at US Blades in West Bloomfield, MI if anyone is near that area.
Registration for the league ends at the end of Aug. If you want more info,
contact me (email@hidden).
im interested in seeing what this mailing does. i really promote women
playing hockey (and anything else for that matter).
- -Danielle
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Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:05:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: TODD ERSKINE
Subject: breakout pass
Dear Jill,
I will provide my opinion on the situation of the breakout pass. First of
all the coach must lose alot of games, because he probably won't be able
to field a team after the first period because of all the breakout passes
going along the boards. The fact is, under pressure it is hard to
accomodate a tape to tape pass, especially if there is a 2-1 forecheck.
However as you indicated this is the optimal pass and as a coach I try to
stress that. I also like to teach receiving the pass off the boards as
over a course of a game this will happen 20-30% of the time.
Overall you want the tape to tape, if not settle for the pass off the boards.
Now I will share some insight on this poor coach you had. Obviously he is
not open to feedback and has the attitude how dare a player (or camper)
question what I am doing. Unfortunately he should be open to feedback and
simply approach your question by "well I like to teach the tape to tape
outlet and I try to avoid the pass along the boards". I guess you were
blinded by his gloves covering up the Stanley Cup rings!
I will share something that I learned as a coach that I will never
forget. At a coaching clinic run by Dave King (an assistant coach with
the Montreal Canadiens) he taught me something about benefiting your
players with proper plays. He went on to discuss that in hockey, too many
coaches focus on "the right way" and the "wrong way". In a sense, you
should try and teach the simplest and basic way so that players are able
to adjust to different situations. Dave actually used the breakout as an
example.
When you don't complete the tape to tape breakout, the options are that
the pass will come around the boards, the opposing team has pressured the
defence to not be able to pass the puck or the defence has shot the puck
up high trying to get it out. So as a winger if you don't receive the
tape to tape you make ADJUSTMENTS to receive the pass off the boards or
however the play is unfolding.
The bottom line is that to improve your players as a coach I try to teach
the optimal breakout(tape to tape) but also the alternatives because it
is not always going to happen the same way. As you can probably notice I
am a positive reinforcement coach. The coach you had might lose it if
100% of the time a tape to tape might not happen. I would focus on
telling my players to try the tape to tape 60-80% of the time, but with
pressure and coverage be ready for the alternative.
Again this is the way I see your situation Jill and my way might not be
the proper way but I think it is effective.
Todd Erskine
General Manager
Women's Ice Hockey
Brock University
email@hidden
http://badger.ac.brocku.ca/~te95ac
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Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:19:40 -0400
From: "TeePee Communications"
Subject: Re: breakout pass
>
> Any coaches out there with opinions on this?
>
Tell him to watch ONE game on TV and see what works. Then ask for your money back, you're
not at a real hockey camp.
It would be nice if the hockey world was perfect and all up the middle passes would click, but in
the real world most breakout passes go up the boards. Safety is the name of the game.
His little dream world doesn't work in real life.
And you SHOULD post the name of the camp so others don't get ripped off.
I may sound harsh, but this guy is an idiot. One pass off the boards and you're benched for the
game ?
Refund, please.
Tim
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