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Women-in-Hockey Digest Monday, April 12 1999 Volume 01 : Number 411
In this issue:
Summer Ice with the Long Island Hurricanes!
Re: wih - approach the coach?
Re: wih - approach the coach?
Re: wih - approach the coach?
Approach the Coach - from a coach
Re: wih - approach the coach?
Brampton Tournament--Not what I meant
coach
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Re: [2] coach
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 17:18:19 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Summer Ice with the Long Island Hurricanes!
The Long Island Hurricanes are pleased to announce our summer ice hockey
clinic clinic at Ice Works in Syosset.
Alternate Thursdays, beginning This Thursday, April 15th. 9:50 pm.
Time slot will be ealier beginning in June.
10 sessions total $200. Must be paid at the first session on April 15th.
For mroe info, please call Vicki at 516-869-8858.
(and please say you read about it on the wih list!!) Thanks.
Jill
# 77 Long Island Hurricanes
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:05:27 -0400
From: VICS HOCKEY SCHOOL
Subject: Re: wih - approach the coach?
Hello USA1HOCKEY;
As to your request, here is one response to YOU forgetting a piece of
equipment at home! This response comes from me, a player of some 20yrs
and a coach of 25 more years!
You seemed, in your e-mail, to be focusing on the attitude your coach
displayed to your plight. He/She may have been rather abrupt in the response,
however, I don't think the coach should shoulder any blame here!
It is the SOLE responsibility of the player (at any age) to go through an
equipment "check list" as they pack their equipment EVERY TIME!
No excuses, no sympathy, no ice time ......
If I ever forgot (and I never did) any piece of equipment, I would immediately
take it upon myself to find a replacement. Phone calls, other team-mates,
players on the other team, leave immediately and drive home to get my
forgotten equipment...
these are the only solutions available to you. Also, this would be the only
solutions available to your coach.... but.... if He/She is a good coach
(teacher), this teacher should have you sit in the stands taking stats for
your team leaving this example to others who are showing signs of
irresponsibility!
I'm sure you feel like I'm picking on you, but, no one else is to blame for
the missing equipment except YOU!
The coach should NOT be expected to go chasing around for replacement
equipment.
Your misfortune should be turned into someone elses wisdom!
I know one father who arrived at the ice rink with his son who suddenly
remembered that he (the son) forgot his skates. The father spoke to the
coach telling him that his son would NOT be available for today's game & he
then turned the car around
and headed home where the son finished his homework instead of returning
back to the game! BRAVO for this Parent! A great lesson was taught re:
responsibility and I dare say that this Boy did not forget any equipment
after that!
So USA1HOCKEY .... Swallow your pride, take responsibility and "print out" an
equipment check list on a dry erase board (small) attached to your
equipment bag and enjoy playing EVERY game you attend from now on!
This advice given with love! :-)
Yours in Hockey,
God Bless
Vic LeMire
President
Vic's Hockey Schools
CHECK OUT OUR 1999 SUMMER PROGRAM
& HOCKEY BOOKS ON-LINE NOW!
Head Offices - 1-800 500-8427 to Register
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E-Mail Address - email@hidden
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:37:38 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: wih - approach the coach?
In a message dated 4/11/99 4:39:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
email@hidden writes:
<< The coach thinks I am way out of line for this. I think he is outta his
mind
- it is before game time, and there is a player who may not be able to play
in the game. If you can;t go the coach for soemthing like this, what CAN
you
go to him for? Any thoughts on this? >>
You don't give your age, but actually, that really does not matter. Your
Coach is out of line in my Opinion. I say this as a Coach myself. Speaking
for myself, my coaching bag is FULL of odds and ends equipment, such as neck
protectors, jocks/cups, brand new mouthguards, skate laces, skate sharpener,
a helmet, shin pads, elbow pads, starps, 1 pair of pants (my old ones). Then
there is my "repair" kit, which includes dozens and dozens of bolts, screws,
latches, tape, screwdrivers (both phillips head and reg). I have coached ice
hockey for years, year round and I am very hard pressed to remember one time
where a player of mine didn't need something from me before game time. As a
matter of fact, the more IMPORTANT the game (tournament,
playoffs,championship) the MORE likely it is that there are gonna be problems
with missing equipment! I wish I had $1.00 for ever mouthguard that a kid
has spit out and left on the bench that wound up in my pocket! I could buy
myself a years supply of sticks!
If players missing equipment and needing help before gametime is a bother for
your Coach, maybe coaching isn't the right thing for him.
Jackie- Coach of the "RedWings", "Blizzard" , "RedRockets" , "Stingers"
"Storm" etc!
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:49:20 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: wih - approach the coach?
In a message dated 4/11/99 6:09:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, email@hidden
writes:
<< As to your request, here is one response to YOU forgetting a piece of
equipment at home! This response comes from me, a player of some 20yrs
and a coach of 25 more years!
You seemed, in your e-mail, to be focusing on the attitude your coach
displayed to your plight. He/She may have been rather abrupt in the response,
however, I don't think the coach should shoulder any blame here!
It is the SOLE responsibility of the player (at any age) to go through an
equipment "check list" as they pack their equipment EVERY TIME!
No excuses, no sympathy, no ice time ......
If I ever forgot (and I never did) any piece of equipment, I would
immediately
take it upon myself to find a replacement. Phone calls, other team-mates,
players on the other team, leave immediately and drive home to get my
forgotten equipment...
these are the only solutions available to you. Also, this would be the only
solutions available to your coach.... but.... if He/She is a good coach
(teacher), this teacher should have you sit in the stands taking stats for
your team leaving this example to others who are showing signs of
irresponsibility! >>
I realize that is MY responsibility to pack my gear before each game, every
time. I was prepared to deal with sitting on the bench, and working hte door
for the team.
I am not blaming the coach for me forgetting my gear. THAT is nobody;s fault
but my own. What i am upset about is the fact the he did not seem to care
one way or another. I was not asking for sympathy. What I wanted was for
him to try to help me find the one person at the rink who could possibly
help me out. But I guess that was too much to ask........
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:50:22 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Approach the Coach - from a coach
I have been coaching youth hockey for several years (ages 6-11.) I feel that
it is important - especially with youths - that they are able to comfortably
approach their coach with problems, and not feel intimidated by them. It has
been very typical to have at least one player show up each game with missing
equipment (pants, skates, gloves, helmet...) The players have approached me
and we have always (usually with the help of a parent of two) worked things
out, from borrowing my equipment (I keep it in the car) to asking around the
locker room for extra equipment, or borrowing from lost in found at the rink.
While it is NOT the responsibility of the coach to get the equipment (and
believe me, I let them know they are at fault for not "auditing the bag"
prior to a game) it is amazing the relief on the faces of some of these kids
when they are able to play. For most kids, this is a once a season problem.
Lori
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:51:49 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: wih - approach the coach?
In a message dated 4/11/99 8:41:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, email@hidden
writes:
<< You bet I have some thoughts on this. As a coach of a female hockey team,
my comment would have probably been identical to his. What DO you want or
expect him to do about it? Unless you are a 7 or 8 year old, you should be
responsible enough to pack up your own gear making sure you have everything
you need for the game. If you were one of my players, you would have been a
spectator that game.
Paul
>>
1) I am 34 years old, and very responsible. So don't get all "high and
mighty" and act as if you never forgot anything in your life.
2) I thought that perhaps he would give a damn about his players and could
help me find the one guy at the rink who may have soem extra gear.
3) I would not expect him to me such a prick about it.
4)What team do you coach? I am thankful I am not playing on YOUR team!
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:38:25 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Brampton Tournament--Not what I meant
In a message dated 11/04/99 4:41:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
email@hidden writes:
<< But that, unfortunately, makes it nearly impossible for teams more than a
couple
hours drive away to be in the tournament - which would then solve the
problem of
too many teams, but I don't think that's what you meant! :) >>
You are right, that's not what I meant.
I am suggesting running Tyke to Peewee one weekend and Bantam to Senior
another weekend.
Thanks.
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:41:13 -0400
From: K Braun
Subject: coach
USA1:
A mild reminder that kids, like my daughter read this bulletin board.
Reference to specific parts of the male anatomy are not called for.
I also coached and have seen over the years what other coaches go
through when players are atill running around 15 minutes before game
time without being dressed. I don't know what the rules are in the US,
but in minor hockey in Ontario, the players are requested to be at home
ice half hour before game time and one hour in away games. The reason is
simple. First you know who's there, can make your lineups, can have the
pep talk with the girls prior to the game. If I had my way anyone
showing up 15 minutes before a game would wait to change until the team
is on the ice. It's disruptive and annoying because it's usually the
same people doing it and getting away with it. Yes, it is usually the
fault of the parent for not bringing the child sooner and yes why should
the child pay for the actions of the parent. If there was a simple
answer...
You seem to think that a coach, involved in the game already, wants to
hear about your equipment problems a few minutes before game time? What
about the Manager? The Assistant coach? Teammates? Let's put yourself in
the place of the coach and come up with an reply...and keep it clean.
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:45:19 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: wih - approach the coach?
Okay as a retired hockey player and former coach.
I carried odds and ends around. BUT I could not afford to outfit the team
with skates ect.
As a player I unpacked only the stuff I washed. The skates pants ect never
left the vicinity of bag even in being aired out they were with the bag so as
not to be forgotten in packing.
It is the responsibility of the player for their gear. The coach (and my
coaches) carries things like extra tape, screws ect. Those are things that
might get missed in packing and need to be fixed from time to time. If you
had an equipment manager then you might be justified in being angry but since
you only mentioned a coach it would seem you are on a regular league type
team with a volunteer coach.
Question: Since the attitude you have is the coach should be burdened with
your gear problems what would you have the coach do if say three or four of
you forget gear? Does the best players needs get done first? Do you expect
the coach to carry five or six pairs of skates? A stick for every player?
Lets not forget the personal protection gear too.
terri
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:11:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jenn Nejedlo
Subject: Re: wih - approach the coach?
Let's not get too upset about this matter - the point is that the
coach was a little out of line. Just because someone forgets his or
her equipment does not mean that they should be berrated in front of
her teammates. Yes, she should have gone through her bag-packing
checklist, but maybe she isn't/wasn't aware of the resources
available to her as far as finding some hockey pants to wear. I
understand that the coach could be upset, but to yell at her in such
a manner is uncalled for. He simply could've said - "I'll help you
when I'm finished with my conversation." and then could have given
her a wide variety of ways to solve her problem.
===
Jenn Nejedlo
Milwaukee Revolution #4
Waukesha Warhawks Girls Midget Asst. Coach
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:10:57 EDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: [2] coach
In a message dated 99-04-12 08:39:55 EDT, email@hidden writes:
<< You seem to think that a coach, involved in the game already, wants to
hear about your equipment problems a few minutes before game time? What
about the Manager? The Assistant coach? Teammates? Let's put yourself in
the place of the coach and come up with an reply...and >>
OK - I have been hearing quite an earful from all directions - and a bunch of
differing opinions.
Perhaps rather than letting all of you tear me a new one for forgetting one
piece of gear, I will let you know what happened afterwards.......... let's
see if anybody's opinion of the situation changes at all.....
And for thsoe of you who may have missed it, I am including the whole thing
from the start:
==================
I play on a women's senior recreational team. (btw I am 34 yrs old, if
anybody cares to ask.) While in the locker room getting ready for a game, I
realized that I forgot my pants! Knowing that I could not play in a game
without this protective gear, I went to my coach, half dressed for the game,
(this was about 10 minutes before game time) told him that I forgot my pants.
His respone "So. What do you want ME to do about it?"
He then said that I should go find one of the rink officials, who may happen
to have soem extra gear lying around. Did he offer to help me find him?
No.
Of course, I could not find the guy I needed to find. I went back to the
locekr room, changed back into my clothes, and headed out of the rink. Like
I said, I could not play without pants. As I passed the coach on the way
out, I said "Thanks for your help, COACH!" and went to put my gear in my car.
I came back to the rink, thinking that I could at least help out my team by
sitting on the bench, helping out with the door, etc. My teamamtes thought
it was cool that I came back to watch.
On the bench, seconds before the game was about to begin, the coach came up
to me and started screaming, yelling, and cursing at me, telling me to NEVER
F_ing talk to him when he is tlaking to somebody else. (he was not prepping
for the game - he was talking to some friends before the game.) I tired to
ask him to discuss this with me in private, off the bench (because the other
palyers really did not need to hear this, and becuase he would tell any one
of the palyers if they had a problem to save it for after the game) but I
could not get a word in edgewise. When I tried to speak, He told me to "Shut
the F-up or you are off this team!" I am not exaggerating. In fact, I am
understaing what he said to me.
OK, my timing may have been a little bit off when I first approached him, he
was having a conversation with somebody. But again, it was very close to
game time - I was desparate! (I was at the trink 30 minutes prior to the
game) Regardless, I think a more appropriate answer would have been, "I'm in
the middle of a conversation right now. If you give me a minute, I will try
to help you figure something out."
I think he is outta his mind - it is before game time, and there is a player
who may not be able to play in the game. If you can;t go the coach for
soemthing like this, what CAN you go to him for? Was it wrong for me to
expect him to help me find the gear so I could play?
After the game, another player told me that before the game he told her that
he was in a foul mood. But, as he would expect us to leave our personal
stuff off the ice, I would expect the coach to do the same, and not to take
it out on his players. And no matter what the circumstances, tlaking to me,
or anyone in that manner is totally inexcusable and unacceptable.
Any thoughts on this?
I really do not need to hear any more about that it is my responisbility to
bring my own gear! The issue is NOT whether or not I am responsible for my
own gear. I know I am. But I find it hard to believe that every one of you
who has reamed fme for forgetting one piece of equipment has NEVER forgotton
something in your lives. Geez. Cut me a break here. Don;t you think I
already felt bad enough that I could not play in the game? That I had to sit
there and open the bench door for my teammates, when I should have been going
through that door with them?
The issue is the way my coach reacted to the situation and the way he spoke
to me afterwards. Should I have not mentined anything to him and gone
directly to the bench in my street clothes? Shoud l I have told one of my
teammates to make an excuse for me, and sneak out of the rink when he was not
looking? I don't think so.
The coach was not "already into the game." he was sitting in the lobby of
the rink, chatting with friends when I approached him. There is no Asst.
coach, and don't you already think I asked my teamamtes for help when I
discovered this in the locker room?
Thanks.
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:43:37 -0400
From: VICS HOCKEY SCHOOL
Subject: Re: [2] coach
Dear USA1
As I read More and more about this story it's VERY CLEAR that YOU BOTH
acted and reacted improperly!
What's difficult to include in a post like this is the TONE you both used when
speaking to each other .... I think we can ALL "read" into this confrontation
that you two were NOT speaking pleasantly or lovingly to each other!
In hindsight, wouldn't you agree that this got WAY out of control???
Who is responsible for keeping a conversation under control - BOTH of you are!
Especially as ADULTS!!! or did I miss the ages of you two?
OK.... 5 hard laps around the rink for both of you and an apology to your
team-mates
and lets ALL get along as a TEAM should! Fight the other team, not your
own! :-/
I'll betcha you don't forget your pants next game :-)
A TEAM meeting is seriously needed here!
I'll bring the boxing gloves .......
Oh Hummmm, Hockey is a Great Game! Really!!!
Yours in Hockey,
God Bless
Vic LeMire
President
Vic's Hockey Schools
CHECK OUT OUR 1999 SUMMER PROGRAM
& HOCKEY BOOKS ON-LINE NOW!
Head Offices - 1-800 500-8427 to Register
or purchase Books.
Web Page - http://www.flips.net/vics
E-Mail Address - email@hidden
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