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Women-in-Hockey Digest Saturday, January 31 1998 Volume 01 : Number 114
In this issue:
Re: What's Wrong with Canada?
Pre-Qualification Tournament for WWC 1999
Re: What's Wrong with Canada?
traveling
Re: The Game of Her Life/Lesbian Hockey Players
Re: What's Wrong with Canada?
Re: What's Wrong with Canada?
What's wrong with Canada?
Re: traveling
Re: traveling
hockey jersey
Re: hockey jersey
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 03:22:25 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: What's Wrong with Canada?
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{shakes his head} If you're not complaining, what DO you call it?
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This I really don't get. If players are to be judged for past performance,
and not for their present skills and blend, Canada shouldn't take any chances.
For the men's team, for example, a starting lineup of Bobby Clarke centering
Gordie Howe and Bobby Hull, with Bobby Orr and Brad Park on the backline and
Ken Dryden in the nets should do the trick just nicely. Heck, the Rocket's
isn't even eighty yet. I bet he'd look good out there on the power play with
Phil Esposito and Johnny Bucyk.
<< You should have introduced yourself to me when you were here watching the
daily workouts. That is what the coaches do, they see them daily. So you
must have seen all the players throughout their training to determine whether
or not they were worthy of making the team. I mean I work here every day and
I wouldn't have had a clue who was performing well or not. >>
Another point is that especially in terms of defensive positioning, most
people can't easily pick up the subtleties. I've been involved with hockey
for over thirty years as a player, coach, referee and fan, and you can't even
tell sometimes short of total focus on a single player during a game (at a
rink, TV doesn't come close to counting).
For example, the first time I REALLY understood Dave Poulin's genius as a
defensive forward was seeing him in a couple games at ice level, right next to
the visitors' bench. Those subtle little turns of the blade for deflections,
a balance shift to put him in position to choke off a lane ... could only be
seen twenty feet away. So much as ten rows away and I wouldn't have been able
to tell exactly what it was he did or how he did it.
Which doesn't matter in the end, I suppose. You either have to believe that
with the first women's Olympic hockey gold on the line, the selection process
was bypassed in a conspiracy to pitch players due to reasons for which there
is not a shred of supporting evidence, or you can believe that skilled
professionals deemed qualified to run the Canadian national team know what
they're doing, making player decisions based on their honest, informed
opinions.
Being from Massachusetts, I ought to root for the first option, because it
would suit the United States team just fine for the Canadians to be run by
incompetant boobs who make personnel decisions based on vendettas ...
- - Bevan
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:01:33 +0100
From: Nick Heim
Subject: Pre-Qualification Tournament for WWC 1999
1998 Pre-Qualification Tournament
for Women's Icehockey World Championships 1999
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From January 27-29th 1998, a Pre-Qualification Tournament for the World
Championships 1999 was held in Colmar/France. The four teams competing were
Czech Republic, Slovakia, France and Netherlands. These teams were placed
3. to 6. at European Pool B Championships 1996.
The first two teams are qualified for the WC-Qualification Tournament in
FŸssen/GER and Huttwil/SUI from March 23-27th 1998.
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Game Schedule / Results
Date Time Teams Result
27.01.98 14:30 Czech Rep. - Netherlands 6:2
27.01.98 17:30 France - Slovakia 3:1
28.01.98 17:30 Slovakia - Czech Rep. 2:7
28.01.98 20:30 Netherlands - France 1:7
29.01.98 14:30 Netherlands - Slovakia 0:4
29.01.98 20:30 Czech Rep. - France 4:2(1:0,3:0,0:2)
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Place Team G W T L GF:GA Pts.
1. Czech Rep. 3 3 0 0 17:6 6
2. France 3 2 0 1 12:6 4
3. Slovakia 3 1 0 2 7:10 2
4. Netherlands 3 0 0 3 3:17 0
The Czech Rep. and France will go to the WWC-Qualification-Tournament in
GER/SUI. France promotes into group A played at FŸssen/GER, Czechia
promotes to group B played at Huttwil/SUI.
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Nick Heim E-mail: email@hidden
Institut fuer Umformtechnik CServe-ID: 100021,2172
ETH-Technopark PFA F26 Phone: ++41 1 445 13 19
Pfingstweidstr. 30 Fax: ++41 1 445 13 25
8005 Zuerich Head Coach of the swiss womens hockey national team
WWW: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/heim/hockey.htm
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:45:44 -0500
From: Cindy Goodman
Subject: Re: What's Wrong with Canada?
Well you will probably get your wish because that is who is running the show.
As for the comment about past performance I think you misunderstood my statement. I was saying it shouldn't be based on past performance. It should be based on how they play today. Even more reason why it was a wrong decision to cut A James.
Also this is not complaining. It is airing one's discontent about a decision. And I am not "complaining" about everything just this one point. If you want to label it complaining so be it. I hope the team does well I just feel very strongly that an injustice has been committed in omitting this fine athlete. As is my right to. Thanks.
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:48:05 -0800
From: email@hidden (Megan Bryant)
Subject: traveling
I am going to my first tournement in March and I have never traveled with
my gear on an airplane before.
Does anyone have any advice regarding safe transport of skates,
helmet, etc...
Do you just send your bag as is?
What about sticks?
Do you have to pay extra in baggage charges?
Thanks for any advice.
- --
Megan Bryant
*You can listen to thunder after lightning and tell how close you
came to getting hit. If you don't hear it you got hit, so never
mind.
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:43:18 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: The Game of Her Life/Lesbian Hockey Players
Is Shannon Miller gay?Not that it bothers me because I too am well BI.
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:16:14 -0800
From: Anne Paulson
Subject: Re: What's Wrong with Canada?
Debbie Cottrell writes:
>
> We care very
> much about the [Canadian] team (read: the players, including those who were
> cut) and the palpable sense of imbalance and manipulation causes the
> Miller skeptics to worry. I count myself among them, even though I hope
> I'm dead wrong and we score the gold in a cakewalk and she has the
> National Team job in perpetuity (well, maybe that's going a bit far).
So... if the Canadians don't win the gold, that will be de facto evidence
that Shannon Miller made a mistake cutting Angela James? Is it impossible
that the Americans could win if the Canadians fielded their best
possible team?
- -- Anne Paulson
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:22:13 -0800
From: "Phil & Debbie Cottrell"
Subject: Re: What's Wrong with Canada?
Hi Anne:
Hey, don't blame the wife, I (Phil) wrote it!
>So... if the Canadians don't win the gold, that will be de facto evidence
>that Shannon Miller made a mistake cutting Angela James? Is it impossible
that the Americans could win if the Canadians fielded their best possible
team?
No, it's not impossible at all, of course. The USA are coming on in leaps
and bounds and are likely to continue doing so, with the college setup
(that's why the Murricans are so good at women's soccer, as well). We could
get seriously left behind pretty soon, and that could even start at the
Olympics this year, if we're not careful. If that happens, who can say that
AJ would have made the difference? However, what I object to is the psychic
trauma that surrounded AJ's dismissal and the way it was handled. The whole
affair had an air of premeditation about it, even the stagey "grey area"
speech (recorded for posterity by the cameras). The hurt caused within the
team goes beyond the contribution from one player in terms of goals and
assists and affects others. Hopefully there's been some time to recover...
Phil (not Debbie) Victoria, BC
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:37:30 -0500
From: "Kristen M. Ede"
Subject: What's wrong with Canada?
I have tried to refrain from this *debate* ...but I couldn't hold off
From what I read about Angela James and have seen in her play, she seems
like a very capable hockey player and person. She has done amazing things
for women's hockey, and it probably could be argued that without her effort
women's hockey may not have even made it to the '98 Olympics. She will
always be an integral part of women's hockey history and we will always be
grateful.
Now having said that, I have to say that a Coach's decision is just that, a
Coach's decision. One that they have to evaluate, deliberate and finally
make what they think is the right decision for the team at that moment in
time. I have to agree with Dave and Bevan, an outsider cannot accurately
evaluate the effectiveness of a player and how they fit in on the team
unless they are part of the evaluation process (i.e. at the practices, the
team meetings, in the locker room etc..) Any person that plays hockey
should realize this. There are alot of excellent players out there on
paper, but pragmatically if they don't fit into the system, then all of
their past excellence is irrelevant. Look at the Vancouver Canucks for
example, on paper they have an excellent offensive team, but they have one
of the worst offensive records in the NHL right now. Individual players do
not make or break a *team* .
Canada is proud of our hockey history. But we are extremely hard on our
Coaches and Players. Not only do we expect Gold in all hockey
competitions, we expect a clean sweep otherwise we are very critical (self
included). Anne opened up my eyes with her last comment..Perhaps we should
start giving the other countries credit instead of insisting that the level
playing field is from bad coaching or poor team selection.
In Nagano, I am looking forward to a good, hard fought competition where
the best *team* wins, even if that may be the Americans
Kristen
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:11:56 -0800
From: Don Howell
Subject: Re: traveling
At 10:48 AM 1/30/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
> I am going to my first tournement in March and I have never traveled with
> my gear on an airplane before.
>
> Does anyone have any advice regarding safe transport of skates,
>helmet, etc...
>
> Do you just send your bag as is?
> What about sticks?
> Do you have to pay extra in baggage charges?
>
Megan
lf you don't own a stick bag tape your sticks together and ask for a
plastic "ski bag" at the airline counter. There are no extra charges as
long as your total baggage doesn't exceed their rules. Actually we have
never been charged even when we did exceed. Other than that your equipment
should travel well. Our team has never had a problem and we travel alot.
Good Luck!
Don Howell
Team California
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:52:41 -0600 (CST)
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: traveling
> Does anyone have any advice regarding safe transport of skates,
>helmet, etc...
Megan,
My daughter and I have traveled many times with her equipment. Only once was there a
problem and they ripped the corner of her bag. She has a plastic shield on her helmet and to
protect that from any hard hits, she usually put the helmet in the main compartment inside her
pants. Other than that precausion, nothing inside the bag was ever damaged.
They never charged us for extra bags (Suitcase, hockey bag, stickbag). Once or twice they
tried to charge for the third bag, but when we protested an extra charge for a stick bag, they
would back down. Some agents like to box the stickbag to protect them, but I never saw any
sticks broken in travel.
Just make sure you get to the airport early and your connections are at least an hour
apart. You won't want to arrive and your bags not get there too. We did have this happen, but
they arrived before the first game.
Good Luck
Peggy
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:36:06 -0800
From: "A.V. Chernin"
Subject: hockey jersey
Does anyone out there now where I can get one of those pink Canadian
women's hockey jersey's from 1990? I tried the dealer from Andria
Hunter's site but I have had no reply. Contact me directly if you have one
to sell.
Thanks for your help.
Annette
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:26:50 -0400
From: Aaron Albert
Subject: Re: hockey jersey
>Does anyone out there now where I can get one of those pink Canadian
>women's hockey jersey's from 1990? I tried the dealer from Andria
>Hunter's site but I have had no reply. Contact me directly if you have one
>to sell.
>Thanks for your help.
>
>Annette
Can I ask why you want one of those jerseys? They look ridiculous.
- -Aaron
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