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Women-in-Hockey Digest Thursday, January 22 1998 Volume 01 : Number 107
In this issue:
Team USA Mag Article
Re: Brampton Tournament
1998 Summer Hockey Schools
USA over Cananda in San Jose!
US Media Coverage
RE: Visa Player of the Game
Re: 1998 Summer Hockey Schools
Re: 1998 Summer Hockey Schools
Re: The Game of Her Life
US TV
Scarborough Tournament
Re: 1998 Summer Hockey Schools
Re: Anyone going to be at the Olympics?
Women's Hockey Cards
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:48:27 -0500
From: Ken
Subject: Team USA Mag Article
I read a really cool article in the February 1998 issue of Conde Nast -
Sports For Women Magazine today on A.J. Mleczko and Team USA. The article
describes A.J.'s career coming up through the ranks. There are tidbits on
other US players as well as a few quotes from them on their rise to the
top. Pretty neat stuff! Check it out!
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:07:48 -0500
From: Andria Hunter
Subject: Re: Brampton Tournament
I have some information about the Brampton tournament at this URL:
http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~andria/Provinces/ON/Brampton.html
You may contact Paul Driver at 905-454-0582 or write to:
Brampton Canadettes Girls Hockey Assn.
20 Heddon Court
Brampton, Ontario
L6Z 4H3
if you need more information.
Andria
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:49:57 +0000
From: Kyle Matthews
Subject: 1998 Summer Hockey Schools
Help !!
I am looking for a hockey school to attend in the late spring/summer 98
I have searched around the internet and I have only been able to find
one or two schools that have a sessions for adult women.
ANy suggestions ??? USA or Canada.. makes no difference
Thanks in advance
Kyle Matthews
#99 Ann Arbor Flames
email@hidden
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:49:57 -0800
From: Michelle Svatos
Subject: USA over Cananda in San Jose!
What an exciting night in San Jose last night! No matter who
you were rooting for, it was definately a nail-biter! I thought
things looked a little sloppy in periods 1 & 2 (lots of missed
or blind passes) but they both tightened up by the third and
poured it on in the final minutes. Congrats to both teams.
Congrats also to Chuck Collins, a frequent poster,
whose team recieved the Visa Player of the Game (was it Baker?)
check for $1000. So great to see the future-FUTURE olympians in
training.
BTW, anyone know why Cassie Campbell got the 10-minute misconduct?
I must've missed something.
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Date: 21 Jan 1998 16:10:32 U
From: "Olson, Lynn"
Subject: US Media Coverage
Media coverage of hockey, whether it is mens or womens, doesn't appear to be of importance in the US. I think this is partly because it has been a sport for the Northern states. Until recently, the Southern states didn't have many rinks. As the rinks are built and more indiviudals nationwide can participate, there has been a broadened interest. However, there are no where near the numbers of men and women playing hockey in the US that there are in Canada. As we all know, it is their "national sport", much as baseball or basketball could be called the US national sport. Even when Minnesota had a professional team, there was rarely coverage of the team. I must admit that since high school hockey was established for the girls in 1993, we have had more women's hockey coverage than ever. When the US National Team played Canada in Minneapolis at the University of Minnesota, the television and newspapers covered it quite well. Now we all need to e-mail, write or fax CBS and tell them know how much we want to see the women's ice hockey games. So everybody in the US, we need to let them know our preferences. The squeaky wheel gets the grease!! I was happy to see the US finally won another game in overtime. The Gold Medal game should be terrific to watch.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 15:02:00 -0800
From: "HARRIS, zharris"
Subject: RE: Visa Player of the Game
How does an organization/team get on the list as a possible recipient of
the Visa Player of the Game?
Respond to:
email@hidden
Thanks!
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:35:37 -0800
From: Anne Paulson
Subject: Re: 1998 Summer Hockey Schools
>
> I am looking for a hockey school to attend in the late spring/summer 98
> I have searched around the internet and I have only been able to find
> one or two schools that have a sessions for adult women.
> ANy suggestions ??? USA or Canada.. makes no difference
>
If you're planning to go to something local, you could consider
a class aimed at your level rather than your gender. I went to
the Robby Glantz Power Skating Camp in San Jose last summer, and
I found it tremendously helpful. My class included a few men, a few
women, and a whole lot of boys... but all of us were trying to
learn to skate better, so it worked out well.
- -- Anne Paulson
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:26:15 -0800 (PST)
From: email@hidden (Liam, Agnes & Daniel Coughlan)
Subject: Re: 1998 Summer Hockey Schools
Kyle:
The Head Coach of Team Canada as well as a number of players from the team
are planning to host a hockey school in Vancouver in Early August. If you
are interested, let me know and I will pass on the info when it becomes
available.
Liam Coughlan
P.S. Visit the Tri-Cities Female Ice Hockey Association Website at
www.winfonet.com/Tricities
>Help !!
>
>I am looking for a hockey school to attend in the late spring/summer 98
>I have searched around the internet and I have only been able to find
>one or two schools that have a sessions for adult women.
>ANy suggestions ??? USA or Canada.. makes no difference
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>
>Kyle Matthews
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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:50:03 -0800 (PST)
From: email@hidden (Liam, Agnes & Daniel Coughlan)
Subject: Re: The Game of Her Life
>I came away from watching it with a very sick feeling.
Wow Cindy, I must have been watching a different movie than you were. I'm a
34 year old guy, and I was glued to the screen, and I probably got emotional
or cried 10 times during the hour and a half during the scenes of personal
and family commitment and sacrifice, and the struggles of the modern female
athlete suffragette movement, and then again when the players were reacting
to being cut, and equally emotional when the players learned that they had
made the team... and then the bittersweet reaction of France St. Louis when
she made the final cut, but the "group of five from 1990" was no longer
complete. And how about the tear covered face of Hayley Wickenheiser
despite the fact that she was a lock for making the team. That was as
dramatic as television gets. Kudos to the National Film Board.
>Shannon Miller is an idiot.
Hello? My impression of Shannon Miller went up several notches after
watching that documentary. I was impressed with the guts she displayed by
allowing herself to be recorded with a clip-on microphone and television
camera in such high pressure situations. I saw that she was also wearing a
microphone on Friday in Vancouver. What other human being, never mind
Olympic or National team coach anywhere in the world would let the media
capture those moments when we are most vulnerable or circumspect. I think
she came off with flying colours. I have coached women's hockey for 4 years
and there were times such as at the Winter Games, when the BCTV cameras were
in the dressing room as I spoke to the players and I didn't have the courage
to reveal my coaching stragegies while the camera was in the room lest they
be found wanting by the television viewers who had the opportunity to second
guess me and have the benifit of hindsight. I think that her training as a
police officer and her experience as a top level coach has made her mentally
tough and extremely focused.
How dramatic was that scene when a teary eyed Angela James was told that she
was on the "bubble"! Shannon had to repeat to Angela that she was in the
"grey area" of making the team - not one of the players who was "a lock" to
make the team. It certainly put to rest the media reports and information
repeated on this newsgroup that Angela was never advised that she was at
risk of not making the team. It couldn't have been more clear that Angela
had to pick up her socks or she wasn't going to make the team. Any doubts
that I may have fostered due to the media reports that Shannon was not
up-front with Angela were completely dismissed. I think that Angela James
has been a great and historic figure for Women's Hockey in Canada, but the
shock that I felt when I heard that Angela James did not make the team could
not have been the same for Angela who was explicitly told that she had to
improve in order to avoid being cut.
>She totally hammed it up for the cameras
I really gotta disagree here too. I can't think of a scene where she
"hammed it up for the cameras". Kicking the garbage can in the dressing
room for emphasis?
>and you're right she is very much like a rattlesnake waiting to strike.
A "rattlesnake?", what I saw was a workaholic perfectionist who studies
every physical and mental skill of the athletes in her charge. She seems to
me to be a real student of the game who is prepared to question everything
and everyone to ensure the group goal. I think she demonstrated in several
instances where she was prepared to take on a tough issue straight on and
not soft pedal or sidestep an issue. For example when the issue of Lesbian
hockey players was brought up, she didn't dismiss it, or shirk the issue;
she dealt with it without blinking.
>I actually think she enjoyed cutting those girls. She likes confrontation
and she likes attention.
Get real! Have you ever had to cut a player? Do you know what it feels
like to support and encourage someone for months and years and developed a
close working relationship with them, share your frailties with them, and
then have to tell them that someone else is better than them. To suggest
that she enjoyed cutting those girls is tantamount to saying that someone
enjoyed dumping their boyfriend/girlfriend. Cutting players has got to be
the most gutwrenching job a coach has to do ever fall.
>I am not impressed with her as a coach either. What exactly is her record
with Team Canada since taking over? >I would be interested to know. Does
anyone out there have the statistics on that?
She was the first full time coach of the National Team, so I don't know who
you would compare her to, but Team Canada has the best record of any
National Women's team so she must have the best statistics. With the
exception of the Final Game of the Three Nations Cup in December, I can't
think of a poor performance a Shannon Miller team has ever rendered.
Personally, I'm glad the team got embarressed at the Three Nations rather
that at the Olympics. You could see that she was using the loss as a
building block in her "Drive for Nagano". As she said, the mental part of
the game and being able to overcome adversity is what will make the Canadian
team
successful, not a marginal skill difference.
>I also have a few of my own theories as to why the team is not playing as
well as it did when they only got >together for a few weeks to prepare for
these competitions.
How about because the other teams in the world have learned from Canada? Do
you think an American athlete is any less capable of being a good hockey
player?
>Isolating these women from their everyday life has had a bad effect with
some of the players. Four months of >intense workouts on the ice, stress
about making the team, having to be "up" all the time (attitude is
>something they look at) and being "together" all the time has to take it's
toll. All the constant "rah rah" >stuff has to be a bit much after a while
too. In everyone's life their has to be a balance. I feel if you
>concentrate solely on one thing for too long you will become complacent and
lose focus.
From what I have read on this newsgroup, the Americans started their
preparation prior to Canada. As far as isolating the players, do NHL
players perform worse because all of the players live in the same city
during the season? It would be hard to prove because it is the only way a
top level team is able to consistantly practice together, but it seems to me
that there are synergies to be gained by giving the opportunity for team
bonding and team training. Also, how else could you equitably pick a team?
Have a tryout weekend, and if you are a sick that weekend or a good actor,
you could end up missing/making the team? You don't like what was done, and
of course balance is important, even for Olympics athletes, but what is your
alternative? Also from my limited contact with Team Canada and from
everything that I have seen to date, the players genuinely like each other
and care about each other...you can't buy that kind of team spirit. Manon
Rheaume and Danielle Dube sharing a house in Calgary while competing for the
same position... where else would you have seen something like that?
>Also has anyone looked at these women lately? They all look like Arnold
Schwarzenegger. They aren't used to >playing carrying all that extra weight
around whether it's muscle or not. Just ask Eric Lindros or Doug >Gilmour
how damaging it was to their production to have pumped up too much. Now
don't get me wrong. I'm not >saying they shouldn't work out and shouldn't
practice intensley to prepare for the Olympics. I'm just saying >don't go
overboard and start doing things just for the sake of doing them. Just
because it's the Olympics >doesn't mean you have to now change everything
that worked for you in the past. Sorry for being so long >winded.
600 lines of resolution must not be enough, because I didn't see mustlebound
athletes on my T.V. There was one scene of Angela James lifting what
appeared to be 100 pounds on a bench press without a spotter, and a couple
of scenes of players riding stationary bikes plus aerobic exercise in the
dressing room prior to game time. To me at least, it sure didn't appear to
be onerous training for an Olympic team in a physical sport where the
closest competion has larger and younger players.
"Extra Weight?" I think that Vicky Sunohara, Luce Letendre and Angela James
looked "underconditioned" if anything. Other than the big boned Hayley
Wickenheiser at 5' 9" and 170 lbs, newcomer Kathy McCormack at 5' 9" and 170
lbs and Lori Dupuis at 5' 8" and 165 lbs, there is nobody on the team over
150 lbs. How about Fiona Smith 5' 2" and 124 lbs, Stacey Wilson 5' 6" and
128 lbs, Geraldine Heaney and Lesley Resson both at 5' 8" and 130 lbs...
Arnold Schwarzenegger? ... I don't think so... they could have passed for
the National batminton team at the Calgary Costco store... one of the
players had trouble heaving her equipment into the back of the pickup truck!
I was extremely impressed with the quality of the "The Game of Her Life"
documentary, and can't believe that even the most casual female hockey fan
from any country wouldn't be totally engrossed. I spoke to a guy tonight
who has no particular interest in female hockey and he watched the whole
thing and said that it was very well done. Kudos again to the National Film
Board and all those involved with the Women's National Team, past and
present, for their intestinal fortitude displayed by participating in such a
poignant production.
Liam Coughlan
P.S. Visit the Tri-Cities Female Ice Hockey Association website at
www.winfonet.com/Tricities
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:17:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Michele D Ryan
Subject: US TV
> Americans do not do well with change. If there is no US slant to a story,
> you will not see it. The masses are used to figure skating, down hill
> skiing etc so you will get lots of it. It fills up prime time. You will
> not see much short track speed skating because it is not as familiar.
> Until the networks stop seeing us as idiots and people who are capable of
> digesting something new, this is the way it is going to be. However, I
> hear that the network viewing has dropped below 50%. Let's hear it for the
> masses. Let's all go out and buy our satellite dishes!
I think I agree with your main point, but I wouldn't agree with your
statement "Americans do not do well with change." I think (and you also
say) that it's really the NETWORKS who don't do well with change. Most
people I've talked to would rather watch more competition of any sport
than just bits of competition interspersed with lots of pre-produced
background pieces.
I don't know why they do it this way. Maybe some people like it, but I
don't know any who do.
- --Michele
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 03:53:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Jessica Yeo
Subject: Scarborough Tournament
Hey people, my team, which is first year and plays
midget B girls, but some coaches have recommend us to
play A, played in the Scarborough Sharks tournament
this past weekend. We ended up second.
vs Oshawa 1-0
I got the goal
vs Hamilton 2-0
I got 1 goal
vs Scarborough 3-2
I got 1 goal & 1 assist
Championship
vs Oshawa 1-2
I got the goal
they scored with 31 seconds left
If anyone has any other results I would like to know.
We should be in the Kentwood/Grand Rapids tournament
in February and Brantford in March.
Jessica Yeo#4
Sylvania Maple Leafs
ICQ 1146336
http://www.angelfire.com/oh/myhockey
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:59:40, -0500
From: email@hidden (BOBBIE STANFILL)
Subject: Re: 1998 Summer Hockey Schools
keep an eye on The Hockey News. Soon the summer camp insert will come out,
and it has exhaustive listings of what camps are available where.
bobbie
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:24:53 EST
From: JBowden21
Subject: Re: Anyone going to be at the Olympics?
Val (and anyone else attending the Olympics),
How exciting that you will be able to watch the debut of women's hockey in the
Olympics in person! Please let us know your experiences. I'm sure there are
many on the list who would love to hear about personal experiences from Japan
in addition to reading the box scores and watching the highlight films!
Thanks,
Jen Bowden
San Diego Women's Hockey
Hi all,
I'll be going to the olympics (I used to live in the nearby city of
Matsumoto, so it's not as far fetched a trip as you might suppose!) and
will be attending both the Canada-USA and the Gold medal game. I'd love
to catch up with any other list members who will be there. Drop me a
line and maybe we can arrange to meet sometime.
- - -- Val
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:11:14 -0800 (PST)
From: email@hidden (Liam, Agnes & Daniel Coughlan)
Subject: Women's Hockey Cards
Hi!
I have virtually every card available of Team Canada and Team U.S.A. members.
E-mail me at email@hidden if interested!
Liam
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