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Women-in-Hockey Digest Monday, February 23 1998 Volume 01 : Number 157
In this issue:
Women's Hockey Viewpoint
Final thoughts on the Olympics
Re: Final thoughts on the Olympics
Re: Final thoughts on the Olympics
Re: I hate people like this
Re: I hate people like this
Re: Canada's Coaching
Re: Talking in Mouthguards
Re: RinkSport Hockey Camps
Re: Canada's Coaching
Re: little foul mouths
hockey headaches
Re: Final thoughts on the Olympics
drinking problems, wheaties (mutually exclusive)
celebration and Smith
re: I hate people like this
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 01:18:39 -0600
From: "James D. Lorino"
Subject: Women's Hockey Viewpoint
Sorry, the article got double-pasted somehow. Sorry for the wasted bandwith.
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James D. Lorino
email@hidden
Brookfield, WI USA
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 01:20:48 -0600 (CST)
From: email@hidden
Subject: Final thoughts on the Olympics
Well I was pleased to see the entire hockey game this afternoon, even if it was 5 days after the
fact. It seems that CBS has discovered their oversight and suddenly (it took the men's loss and
bad behavior to bring the women to the forefront) give the women the attention they deserved.
Does anyone else think this was too little, too late? Does this make our opinion of CBS's
coverage improve? I don't think so.
However, I was very pleased with the interviews and focus that they and other medias are now
paying women's hockey. Each time I see them discussing the merits of the team and all their
accomplishments, I was very proud of all the girls/women that play the sport and who are the
real winners from the Olympics.
Was anyone else wondering what that half hour story about a WWII POW had to do with the Winter
Olympics? It was a nice story, but what the heck did it have to do with anything? The closest
connection was the guy was a runner in the Summer Olympics and was interned in a camp near
Nagano during the war. But a half hour long????? I thought someone had changed the channel
when I wasn't looking. Boy, CBS must really be hurting for any story. My final grade for
CBS...D-, it would have been an F, if not for them replaying the game today. They started out
ok, but went steadly downhill from there.
The American men...
Well it seems that they are not so bad after all, I guess we can blame Wilson for the lack of
support, and thank the two who did come to the game against orders. With the Czech's winning
the gold, it doesn't seem such a dishonor for them to have lost in the semi's to them. Canada
and Russia met the same fate, we were just the first to run into the wall call Hasek. If the
men can now look back in perspective, maybe they can learn something from the whole experience,
like humility. Only time will tell who the juveniles were that thrashed the rooms. Too bad
that Japan does not practice caning for vandalism like Singapore does! 8-)
Well I guess next time at the grocery store I will have to pick up a box of Wheaties.
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 01:07:01 -0800
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Final thoughts on the Olympics
At 11:20 PM -0800 2/22/98, email@hidden wrote:
>It seems that CBS has discovered their oversight and suddenly (it took
>the men's loss and
> bad behavior to bring the women to the forefront) give the women the
>attention they deserved.
The cynic in me sees this as simply implying CBS could sell the
advertising for the broadcast (but the good news is the advertisers saw
value in it). The ultimate cynic in me remembers that CBS is *way
under* their advertising guarantees for the Olympics, and wonders
whether the whole broadcast was used as make-good spots for their
advertisers....
Don't believe CBS did this out of the good of their hearts, or because
they got 1,000 letters of complaint.... Unfortunately, if you do,
you'll end up disapointed.
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Chuq Von Rospach (Hockey fan? )
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:13:12 -0400
From: Debbie Minden
Subject: Re: Final thoughts on the Olympics
Sorry Chuq,
I heard on the business report that CBS did not get the market share that
they promised, and they were giving time away to cheer up their big
advertisers.
Debbie
>The cynic in me sees this as simply implying CBS could sell the
>advertising for the broadcast
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 04:12:17 -0700
From: Eddie Ragasa
Subject: Re: I hate people like this
I agree with you there. I'm a guy and agree that women's sports are better
than mens. Great job on your expressing your feelings.
Eddie
>yea, I know what ya mean, I get that crap all the time on AOL. Today I went
>into a hockey chatroom and said the US women are going to be on the wheaties
>box. And got the responses "who care" "womens hockey sucks" and some other
>ones. And even the guys at school that like hockey, they don't care about the
>women. Before the mens hockey started they said stuff about how they couldn't
>wait for the "mens" hockey to start. since the womens hockey was boring, or
>something. I've also gotten the women can't play speech, and how its boring,
>just like womens basketball. The first full basketball game I watched was a
>WNBA game, its the only basketball I can stand to watch. So when I get the
>trash about womens hockey, I used to argue, but now I just say, "yea whatever"
>and ignore them. Why bother stooping to their level. Its pretty much a waste
>of time, they have their opinions, and I can't change them. Somebody could try
>all they wanted to get me to like football, and I never will like it. But they
>should give it a chance. They can argue all they want and say we can't play,
>say its not "real" hockey and say its slow or boring, but to me, its more
>exciting than the NHL, more exciting than the mens college games I've seen,
>more exciting than the IHL or AHL games RHI too and everything else. It
>doesn't stop for fighting and all that other junk, the things that are keeping
>the NHL's veteran players, playing their best. Just pure hockey, with a lot of
>passion. But we're going to play, and watch, no matter who says its a mans
>game, or that our game is boring and slow. And as the USA womens hockey slogan
>states "Don't tell us what we can't do"
>
>Jennie
>to be #29 (someday)
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:08:42 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: I hate people like this
In a message dated 98-02-22 23:18:52 EST, email@hidden writes:
<< what a joke...you dont even wear pads....wheres the checking....whats the
point if you want to play hockey go ahead and play field hockey....you women
and your fads ha ha ha
SO I WENT CRAZY AND CHEWD HIM out and got this >>
You've just go to ingnore people like this who obviously don't have a clue. I
play the men's and women's game and in my own experience, more bodies are left
lying on the ice in the women's game then in the mens! My Mom has a harder
time watching the women's games that I play in than the men's because of the
level of aggression. Obviously that guy is clueless as to what he is talking
about.
Jackie - #22 - She Shooooooooots, She Scooooooooores!!!!!!!
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:45:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Brian John Rodgers
Subject: Re: Canada's Coaching
well, about those evaluation camps...lets just say they were alot like the
judging in the olympic ice dancing, the winners were chosen long before
anybody hit the ice. those with a hope of making the national team were
pretty much selected before any evaluation camps team was picked ages
back. if the evaluation camps had been at all honest and fair, i know of
a number of players that should have had a shot at a real tryout.
the fix was in as far as i am concerned,
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:01:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Penny Ginn
Subject: Re: Talking in Mouthguards
On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 email@hidden wrote:
> Even though it is a "cheap plastic one", the Shock Doctor mouthgard is great.
> (about 19.95 at places like MVP) After placing it in boiling water for a few
> minutes, one molds it to their mouth by pressing it up to the roof of the
> mouth and manipulating the soft plastic. It also comes with a dental
> guarantee of $3000-5000.00 if you get tooth injuries. I have never had a
> problem with mine, it stays where it belongs & I can still breathe.
But can you talk in it?! I've got one I wear when I rollerblade on
half-pipes, and no one can understand me when I talk with it in. My
10-yo daughter has a mouthguard that she loves (in fact, she wears it
around the house sometimes - it's still new and she thinks it's cool)
and she has no problem talking around it.
Unfortunately, I think the dental guarantee only covers officially-coached
sports - not aggressive skating. I hope I never need the guarantee!
Penny
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:26:44 -0700 (MST)
From: julee
Subject: Re: RinkSport Hockey Camps
> My daughter just received their brochure, and we were wondering if anyone
> has gone to one of their camps, or known anyone who has. I be interested
I went in the summer of 1996 and loved it. (Long Beach, CA) It was very
worthwhile. The coaches were great and a few of the women from the
Olympic team were there. It was a good combination of on and off ice
instruction. I was tired, but never felt better in my life; not to mention
my play improved so that my male teammates really noticed a difference.
The best part about a good camp is that it improves confidence.
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:35:36 -0400
From: Debbie Minden
Subject: Re: Canada's Coaching
Like the Americans weren't. I'm too old to think that anything is on the
up and up. But after reviewing the video, the games were fantastic. You
have to be Scrouge to pick holes in it. Either team could have won on any
given day. Best hockey I have seen.
Debbie
>well, about those evaluation camps...lets just say they were alot like the
>judging in the olympic ice dancing, the winners were chosen long before
>anybody hit the ice.
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:37:48 -0600
From: Jay Provost
Subject: Re: little foul mouths
> > Debbie Minden writes:
> >
> > > I
> > > don't see [polite, generous, helpful behavior] in the kids who come through
> > > our rink. I see young louts with foul mouths, whose parents are equally
> > > nasty.
>
> I am afraid I have to agree with Debbie.
>
> Our YMCA roller league had a hockey skills clinic today.
> The one of the other coaches was able to get the assitant coach
> for the Fort Worth Brahmas of the WPHL to give up his time
> and teach this clinic.
>
> I got my gear on and took the drills with the kids,
> I was the only adult on floor besides the teaching coach.
> Most of these boys never shut up. They were constantly
> talking trash and some of it was quite filthy things.
> I seemed like I was the only one hearing this non-sense
> and trying to put an end to it.
>
> I have tried hard to keep my own daughters and the
> members of my team from being like this. But
> when surrounded by this little louts, I can see
> they find it hard not to sink to that level.
>
> After the clinic, I got my team together and
> I gently reminded them to stay the course and
> not fall into that kind of behavior.
>
> I hoped the heard the warnings.
>
> Jay
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:13:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Hester Groenevelt
Subject: hockey headaches
When I started playing hockey (as an adult), I got massive headaches just
from the exertion, even though I was in fairly decent shape. That went away
after a few months. So try just giving it some time.
I agree with the hydration comments from Chuq though.
Hester
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:27:20 -0800
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Final thoughts on the Olympics
At 3:13 AM -0800 2/23/98, Debbie Minden wrote:
> Sorry Chuq,
> I heard on the business report that CBS did not get the market share that
> they promised, and they were giving time away to cheer up their big
> advertisers.
The cynic wins again. Thanks Debbie (I think -- grin).
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Chuq Von Rospach (Hockey fan? )
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Plaidworks Consulting (mailto:email@hidden)
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:34:16 -0800
From: "Jennifer Berger"
Subject: drinking problems, wheaties (mutually exclusive)
I agree that lots of water is the best thing when you're playing.
I played the two least-inspired games of my short hockey career
recently. Before each of them I drank one beer (I'm a slow learner).
I will NEVER AGAIN drink beer before playing - I'll just save it
for after. :>)
..................................................
The Wheaties thing: I read in the San Diego Union this morning
that NCAA rules did not allow 5 members of the US Women's Hockey
team (each of whom still have NCAA eligibility) to appear on the
Wheaties box. What a shame for them!! I guess rules are rules
but surely they could have made an exception (?)
Jennifer #68
SDWH
US women and Czech men - my two favorites both brought home the gold! :>)
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 98 10:21:00 -0800
From: "HARRIS, zharris"
Subject: celebration and Smith
Gary Goldberg wrote:
GM> Coach Smith was not celebrating his
GM> team's win. That would have been much too narrow for such a man. He
GM> was celebrating the supremacy of the game itself, and, sure, he was
GM> proud to be there and to have guided a great group of women through the
GM> process to its culmination. But to have gloated would have terribly
GM> cheapened the victory and undermined the greatness of the opponent with
GM> whom his team really had developed a very special relationship.
While I watched the US bench erupt in hugs, high fives, cheers, tears and
jumps as they scored the empty netter to seal the win I notice Ben Smith
standing behind the bench looking down at his note pad.
Personally, I would have liked to see him a bit more excited than that.
Maybe he was too choked up to react but I don't know?? Most people would
have at least cheered a bit. And in his interview I notice he was a red in
the face and then went on to thank all these past coaches and buddies of
his... yeah, sure, maybe he felt that they got him there but what about the
players, his staff, etc?
In my opinion it wouldn't have been "narrow" or "gloating," just natural,
for at least some celebration.... for his team *and* for women's hockey.
Zoe
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:51:40 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: re: I hate people like this
Tell jerks like the one who e-mailed you to look at the final score:
US Women: Gold Medal
US Men (some of them): Under investigation for vandalism
Actually, you're probably better off ignoring such negative comments. Jerks
like that are just trying to get a reaction out of you. Don't give them the
satisfaction.
Keep skating,
Jen Bowden
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>i got this e-mail
> From: email@hidden
>Subject: womens hockey
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>what a joke...you dont even wear pads....wheres the checking....whats the
>point if you want to play hockey go ahead and play field hockey....you women
>and your fads ha ha ha
>
>SO I WENT CRAZY AND CHEWD HIM out and got this
>
>email@hidden
>
>Subject: Re: womens hockey
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>ha ha you are a "man" did you have the operation yet, mickey
>ohh im stuck in the 50's not really more like the 90s where hockey involves
>checking and fights son
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>i hate people like. I was talking to my friend about womens hockey and he
>called me a woman. This people need to wake up and move in to the 90's
>
>
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