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Women-in-Hockey Digest Friday, February 20 1998 Volume 01 : Number 151
In this issue:
male/female coaches
Re: Amateurs
Re: latest posts
American/Canadian men
Re: Amateurs
Re: Amateurs
Re: Amateurs
Workout Routine
Amateurs at the Olympics
winnign vs competition
Re: Male/ Female Coaches
Olympic Stats
Re: hockey, of course
Give Hockey a Try
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:14:24 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: male/female coaches
In a message dated 98-02-19 03:21:16 EST, email@hidden writes:
<<
I was just trying to respond to the original poster's premise that the best
coach for a team is the one who has the most skills. My reply is that, yes,
at the National level that's probably true. At the developmental levels,
I'd like to see preference given to women coaches, both for the message
that gives to the players, and to further develop the talent pool.
My desire is to see my daughter skate for the best coach available. If that
coach is a woman, that makes it that much better. And maybe I'd trade off
some coaching skills in favor of the female coach.
- Chuck Collins
>>
This sounds like an "affirmative action" plan if you ask me.....
Jill
# 77 Brooklyn Blades
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:44:27 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Amateurs
In a message dated 98-02-20 08:23:12 EST, email@hidden writes:
<<
If we had sent amateurs, they wouldn't have made it past the preliminary
round. ALL the teams this year had professionals from national leagues and
clubs. The amateurs would have done about as well as they did the last time
we sent amateurs - out of the medals.
*** the exact same way our NHL-ers finished this time.
I also haven't noticed that Canada, Finland, Russia or the Czech Republic
have
done so badly with *their* professionals...and like the USA, Canada sent a
team made up entirely of NHLers, and they are in the bronze medal game
Finland
instead of trashing their rooms.
***the other countries have been doing this for years. Still doesn't make it
right. Let;s get real - which victory was better - 1980 Hockey Team winning
the Gold, or the "Dream Team" in basketball? There is no comparison. The
hoops pros were expected to win.
As for trashign the dressing rooms - what a bunch in immature jerks!!!
The Americans went in expecting to win, didn't play like a team, and got
knocked out early. Maybe they should have taken the tournament seriously.
But that doesn't have a thing to do with their being professionals.
Lisa Evans >>
***It absolutely has EVERYTHING to do with it. If we had sent the amateurs in
there, they would have taken it seriously, and given it everythign they got.
It would be their first chance for a shot at soemthing big. The stuff dreams
are made of. They do not take it for granted, as our NHL players do. They
lacked the heart that it takes to make a winner. Send in soemone who is
hungry - not someone who has a 7 figure income and endorsements comming out
the wazoo.
Jill
# 77 Brooklyn Blades
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:16:27 +0000
From: email@hidden (DAVE BAKER)
Subject: Re: latest posts
> And if we had sent amateurs, rather than overpaid, swelled-head-professionals,
> perhaps they 1) would have finsihed better and 2) been there to support the
> women in their quest for the gold.
Although I am on the fence with respect to the amateurs vs. the
professionals at the Olympics, I think it is unfair to the Canadian
Men's Olympic Team to refer to the professionals as "swelled-head".
The Canadian team was there to cheer on the women, and were
constantly mingling with the other athletes in the village and
especially in Canada House where they joined the other athletes to
cheer on the Canadians. Scenes like Eric Lindros playing cards with
Cassie Campbell and some of the other women's team members. All the
interviews of these Canadian NHL players they expressed their desire
to enjoy and take in the Olympic experience. On off days they would
go to other events to cheer on Canadian athletes. One of them
referred to the team's disappointment in Brian Stemmle's downhill run
that surely would have captured gold if he had not stumbled near the
end of the run. Just some examples that they are not all
"swelled-head" professionals!!
Dave
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:04:40 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: American/Canadian men
In a message dated 98-02-20 11:45:53 EST, email@hidden writes:
<< , I think it is unfair to the Canadian
Men's Olympic Team to refer to the professionals as "swelled-head". >>
oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh- no no no no no!! You got me all wrong here. I was
referring to the AMERICAN men with the swelled heads. Not the Canadians.
(But I am still for sending amateurs, regardless of the country.)
<< All the interviews of these Canadian NHL players they expressed their
desire
to enjoy and take in the Olympic experience. On off days they would
go to other events to cheer on Canadian athletes. >>
This is EXACTLY what I was talking about in one of my (many) other posts.
There is no reason why the USA men should not have been cheering on the women
- - ESPECIALLY in the gold medal game!!
I think the Canadian men were (are) great, and showed a lot of class.
(Unllike their American counterparts.) I didn't see Lindros playing cards
with Cambell, but that is really very cool. And I just loved Gretzyky's
little cap!!! :-)
Jill
# 77 Brooklyn Blades
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:12:37 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Amateurs
I'm very disturbed after hearing what some individuals on the U.S. Olympic
Men's Hockey team did. I think that they are a disgrace to the U.S., the
Olympics, hockey as a sport, and themselves. I sincerely hope they find out
who was involved and carry suspensions over to the remainder of the NHL
season.
Being chosen to represent your country in the Olympics is an honor and these
jerks turned it into yet another U.S. scandal.
Lisa Addario
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:31:06 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Amateurs
Well ... let's see. I keep hearing Lake Placid, 1980, brought up in the
discussion as why amateurs should be going to the Olympics.
Okay, fair enough ... but our amateurs in 1984 lost big. 1988 too. 1992 too.
And in 1976, 1972, 1968, 1964 ... hm. We seem to be good for a gold medal a
GENERATION, and that was BEFORE the other countries got to include NHL pros.
By the way, do we get to impose this same rule on the women too? Forget the
new pro league, ladies -- if you sign up, you're not pure at heart any more,
so just forget about Salt Lake City.
The Olympics are, as they always ought to have been, about having the best in
the world compete. Not about having people with slimmer bank accounts, or
younger ones, or college age ones. If you want to see youngsters compete, the
World Junior Championships serve quite well ... at which, if I recall, the
putatively young and hungry Canadian team had their heads handed to them by
Kazakhstan. It doesn't seem as if pros have a monopoly on tanking.
~ Bevan
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:06:16 -0800
From: Liz Johnson
Subject: Re: Amateurs
It is very disappointing to see grown men behaving like little boys, if
they are disappointed in their own performance, why take it out on their
rooms and the other athletes trying to sleep? How could they have expected
anything else, cancelled practices because they were too hung-over to
skate? Time to grow up guys.
I do hope that heavy suspensions are handed out and some steep fines, paid
directly to USA Hockey.
The thing I dislike the most about this is that we will hear about the
men's antics throughout the rest of the Olympics and NHL season, the
women's gold medal is history now, we won't see too much more coverage on
them...but we know how great the Canadian and US Women's teams were!
Enough ranting from me, enjoy your weekend everyone!
Liz
At 12:12 PM 2/20/98 EST, email@hidden wrote:
>I'm very disturbed after hearing what some individuals on the U.S. Olympic
>Men's Hockey team did. I think that they are a disgrace to the U.S., the
>Olympics, hockey as a sport, and themselves. I sincerely hope they find out
>who was involved and carry suspensions over to the remainder of the NHL
>season.
>Being chosen to represent your country in the Olympics is an honor and these
>jerks turned it into yet another U.S. scandal.
>
>Lisa Addario
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:09:41 -0600 (CST)
From: LM
Subject: Workout Routine
Jen wrote:
<< So what besides jump roping would be good for a dialy routine. Of
course I've tried doing a daily routine before, like the exercise bike for
half an hour, push ups and some other stuff, but that lasted maybe 4 days.
Thats my main problem, no matter how motivated I get, I usually end up
forgetting about it, run our of time to do it, or just quit. So I guess I
need to learn to stay motivated.>>
The $64 million question, how to stay motivated? I find a couple of
things help me, variety and inspiration. I do three different things for
aerobic exercise, the stationary bike, nordic trak and stair climbing.
While using the stationary bike I can read which makes it the most
palatable, but it's the least efficient of the three in terms of training.
I stair climb on real stairs which helps to cut the boredom. I work in a
24 story building and I climb the fire stairwells with a weighted mountain
backpack well fitted that doesn't hurt my shoulders. The stairwell has
windows that look out on Lake Michigan so it's pretty nice though
brutually hot in the summer. The Nordic Track skier is by far the most
efficient of the three training methods, but also the most stultifying.
To motivate myself while doing that I play hockey videos and visualize
being that good. I also play disco tapes to help me keep my tempo.
If you're thinking the nordic track costs too much, look at a Play it
Again Sports. They always have them. Around here you can pick up one for
$125 and up depending on the model.
Good luck Jen. I have never found it easy to keep myself motivated, but I
just keep plugging away at it.
Laura Moss
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:14:53 -0500
From: "Joanna L. Dumas"
Subject: Amateurs at the Olympics
>The Olympics are, as they always ought to have been, about having the
best in the world compete. Not about having people with slimmer bank
accounts, or younger ones, or college age ones. If you want to see
youngsters compete, the World Junior Championships serve quite well ...
at which, if I recall, the putatively young and hungry Canadian team had
their heads handed to them by Kazakhstan. It doesn't seem as if pros
have a monopoly on tanking.
~ Bevan
I thought that the Olympics was also about having amateurs compete, but
maybe that was a new rule established in the 20th century? It's not
about how young people are, but it only seems logical that most
amateurs would be young - how long can somone train at any sport and
also try to support a family or themselves at the same time?
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:26:20 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: winnign vs competition
In a message dated 98-02-20 13:13:49 EST, email@hidden writes:
<< Okay, fair enough ... but our amateurs in 1984 lost big. 1988 too. 1992
too.
And in 1976, 1972, 1968, 1964 ... hm. We seem to be good for a gold medal a
GENERATION, and that was BEFORE the other countries got to include NHL pros.
>>
As far as I'm concerned, the Olympics are about the competition & striving to
be the best. They are not necessarily about winning. People seem to have
lost sight of that.
If you're good enough to go to the Olympics, and you go out there & give it
'everything you;ve got, then everybody wins - medal or no medal.
Jill
# 77 Brooklyn Blades
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:30:45 -0800
From: Judi Stevens
Subject: Re: Male/ Female Coaches
I've been doing a lot of reading this week on many different topics. I for
one am glad to see all the activity that has been posted because of the
Olympics. Also, to the new people responding, glad to here from you.
>Don Howell wrote:
>
>> l am interested in hearing how others feel about this and why don't more
>> females want to get involved with coaching after their playing days are
over?
>>
>> Don Howell
>> Team California
>
>
>Concerned? Why? Think about it. After the Refs, who takes the most
>criticism in hockey? Coaches.
>
>
I do want to add my two cents on the coaching issue. Bree got her first
coaching card last year (age 11) and her second this year. She works with
the house league kids - mites and squirts. She loves being out there
teaching them for the last 2 years. This is the time to get them
interested in coaching or reffing, before they have all those 'bad'
experiences! We have encouraged her to 'help' the other kids. She
remembers when she started, and all the help she got from the 'big' kids.
Two peewee 'A' players spent hours during public session teaching Bree and
another 'new' skater to stop. Now her and her teammates do the same. They
wear their jerseys to public skating and help the 'new' skaters with
problems that they are having. All, get off the ice feeling great.
Grassroots is where it starts. Start having the player 'give back' when
they are young and they will continue to.
>BTW, how do you do at attracting and retaining goalies? They seem to
>fall in line right after coaches.
>
>Lyle
As for the goalie issue, that is why Bree skates in LA and not San Diego.
It would be interesting to see how many goalies from San Diego are now in
LA. HUMMM that couldn't have anything to do with coaching ;^) Bree and
other goalies that we know just want respect. They know better then anyone
else why/how the goal was scored. To be hammered by their teammates or
coach, really can affect their confidence in themselves. NO confidence,
they just don't want to play anymore. If you have two goalies on your team
LISTEN to them talk to each other at any age. They don't hammer one
another! They DISCUSS what they did wrong and encourage each other.
- ---
Judi Stevens (Bree's Mom) - My two cents : )
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Thanks,
Judi
phone: 619-618-3921
fax: 619-618-1460
email: email@hidden
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Date: 20 Feb 1998 12:44:29 U
From: "Olson, Lynn"
Subject: Olympic Stats
Anyone interested in Olympic stats, they are on the internet http:// www.usatoday.com/olympics/result/ih/w440k/w440000y.htm.
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 98 11:55:30 MDT
From: email@hidden (Kari Fell)
Subject: Re: hockey, of course
email@hidden wrote:
We play in a small parking lot, right next to a
lake, and most of the time nobody bothers to sweep the parking lot before
practice or the games, and I would say about half the crashes last year during
our practices were caused by little rocks or twigs, or trash.
I live in the high arctic where NONE of the communities have ANY pavement.
Even the roads are dirt and gravel, and no sidewalks. Concrete and pavement
buckles because of the permafrost here. Roller hockey is completely out of the
question. I would love to try it one day. We do have lots of ice though (most
of it out there on the arctic ocean!) All of the small communities have indoor
arenas, but some have no zamboni. The players must skate around with sheets of
plywood to clear the snow off. That makes for a good warm-up! Maybe your team
could try skating around with brooms for a warm-up!
Kari
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Date: 20 Feb 1998 10:44:04 -0700
From: "Randi Tyler"
Subject: Give Hockey a Try
Jim Lorino wrote:
>I've noted several times people mentioning organizations sponsoring "Give
>Hockey a Try" nights. My question is - how do you handle insurance??? I'm
>the girls level director and have always thought this a good promo, but the
>liability issue always gets in the way.
The Northern California Women's Hockey League (NCWHL) sponsors Give Hockey A
Try twice a year. We require participants to sign a waiver form before they
step on the ice. The waiver form basically states:
1) They understand that playing ice hockey can be dangerous and may result in
injury or possibly loss of life;
2) They are covered, in the event of injury, by personal medical insurance;
3) They will not, under any circumstances, hold the league responsible for
any injury that may occur while participating in Give Hockey A Try.
Thankfully we've never had anyone suffer an serious injury at Give Hockey A
Try, so we've never had to test if our waiver form would stand up in court.
By the way, we had our most successful Give Hockey a Try ever last week. We
had twice as many participants as usual thanks to a great article about Bay
Area women's hockey and our league that ran in the San Jose Mercury News a
few days before our event and the increased interest in women's hockey because
of the Olympics.
Randi
NCWHL website:
http://members.tripod.com/~NCWHL/
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