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Women-in-Hockey Digest Wednesday, February 18 1998 Volume 01 : Number 144
In this issue:
prep school hockey
eligability question
Looking for video
US Tryouts
Re: re: Miller
Re: CBS Coverage - Pathetic!
women's hockey over the airwaves
Re: Canada's Coaching
little bit of everything
Re: little bit of everything
CIAU participants
Re: first-time soreness
Female scouts.
Planning for future growth in Women's Hockey
Re: Planning for future growth in Women's Hockey
daily routines, training, and equipment
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 03:40:16 -0500
From: Shannon Perkins
Subject: prep school hockey
Hey,
I'm just looking for some information on prep school hockey for next
season. It'll be my senior year, and I'd like to play somewhere I could get
seen. I'm looking at the New Hampshire area, Minnesota and Wisconsin, and
basically anywhere on the east coast. I'd appreciate any information anyone
could give me on the subject.
Thanks,
Shannon Perkins
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 03:40:18 -0500
From: Shannon Perkins
Subject: eligability question
Hey,
Just one more quick question I forgot about:
After being released from a team in Michigan, is there any way you can
still play hockey for the rest of the season. Over a misunderstanding(and,
possibly studpidity on the part of the team)I've been released, my junior
season, right before states. I was living with a host family, decided to go
home for the rest of the season, was misunderstood completely as to my
hockey plans at home, and released. I can't just not play hockey, so I'd
appreciate it if you could tell me any way I could possibly continue to
play, or an interpretation of the rule that prevents me from doing so.
Thanks,
Shannon Perkins
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"If at first you don't succeed, redefine success."
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:21:26 -0800
From: Liz Johnson
Subject: Looking for video
The Game of Her Life
Looking for a copy of this, I haven't been able to find it or order it in
the states. Is there a kind-hearted soul that would be willing to send me
a copy? I'll of course pay for the tape and for shipping and handling.
Thanks much,
Liz
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Date: 18 Feb 1998 15:28:54 U
From: "Olson, Lynn"
Subject: US Tryouts
>There obviously needs to be a wider evaluation/scouting process.
>American coaches were apparently sent a form asking if any player on
>their team might be good enough to try out for the team.....
You were right that there were three open tryouts held for females in the US. Several individuals were invited to the pre-olympic camp in August of 1997. None of them were selected for the team. In addition, USA Hockey has development camps for players 15, 16, 17 and 18 years old each summer where players from across the US are selected to come together and play games as well as learn skill development. The best 136 players spend a week together with women and men coaches learning and developing. This is where the players are selected from to progress onto the Jr. and US National Team. This development camp process has been in place since 1990 and players are tracked by USA Hockey in this manner. The National Team spent many hours together over the past year and 56 players attended the final camp wherein the 25 pre-olympic players were selected. USA Hockey pays for the entire week at camp, the players pay for their transportation to the camp. Each USA Hockey District has tryouts (which are coming up very soon in most areas) wherein players born in 1980, 81, 82 and 83 can try out for spots in that camp for this summer. If you have questions, send me an e-mail at email@hidden. I can give you information on the location of a tryout in your area.
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:33:40 -0400
From: Aaron Albert
Subject: Re: re: Miller
>I'm not allowed to talk about Miller as per Chug requests. Sorry.
No, no ,no! Come on Cindy, keep arguing! Chuq was getting so close to
kicking you off. Just one more obnoxious email, please???
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:41:01 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: CBS Coverage - Pathetic!
I didn't know TNT showed it. earlier today they said, in case you missed the
game we will be rebroadcasting most of the game tommorow at 5et. right as I
got home I turned on the tv and they were showing like a music video thing
with the womens hockey, too bad it wasn't on 15 minutes earlier so I could've
set my tape up.
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:49:04 -0800
From: "Jennifer Berger"
Subject: women's hockey over the airwaves
I didn't hear what Don Cherry had to say, but, if it was along
the lines of his commentary in the past (which I learned to enjoy
and laugh at during the 3 years I was living in Seattle and watching
Hockey Night in Canada on Vancouver's CBC station)
I'm sure it was colorful. I agreed with the post which said he's
a mixed blessing. I got the impression that he was a pretty major
guy in Canada's hockey scene, and the fact that he's talking about
women's hockey on national television will, in the end, I'm sure do
more to help the sport in Canada than hurt it.
Speaking of coverage, the radiowaves in Southern California
have been abuzz with discussion of the US victory. The morning
guys on XTRA690 (the sports station) this morning interviewed some guy who
works for General Mills in Minneapolis about who would be going
on the Wheaties box. The discussion went back and forth about
Picabo Street, the US women's hockey team, and Kwan/Lipinski,
until one of the host guys broke in with "I can't believe there is even a
discussion
about this. It HAS to be the women's hockey team!" Cool.
Even the hard-core sports guys (I've been hearing some great comments
by Jim Rome and others) are talking about women's hockey - I think it's
fantastic!
Jennifer
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:32:30 +0000
From: "TeePee Communications"
Subject: Re: Canada's Coaching
On 18 Feb 98 at 9:30, Hunter, Bill 464-8643 wrote:
> No offense, but I think Canada was a little too old. Veteran players
> who've played for 10 years at an elite level add a lot of experience.
> With the growth and changes in female hockey over the last 10 years, I
> don't think a lot of the early experience really justifies the value of
> a 10 year veteran vs a 5 year vet. The Chinese and Japanese teams
> played a large number of club teams in Canada to prepare for the
> Olympics. Our Junior club only lost by a couple of goals against the
> Chinese. I'm not sure how the Chimos did but I believe it was pretty
> close. There are a LOT of young (young being 18 to 25 yrs) players out
> there who could have contributed a lot to the team if given the chance.
> I think that would have helped Canada's size problem. My midget girls
> team probably averages about 5'6". The younger players are getting
> bigger in a hurry as hockey attracts better athletes away from other
> sports due to it's increase in popularity.
Look at the official Nagano website and look at the stats for team
Canada. Statistics say you are wrong. Kellar had the most points of
the new young players. a whopping 3 points. Botterill and McCormack
did practically nothing.
I dont just mean point stats, I mean the stats that tell everything -
from faceoffs to plus/minus to penalties all the way to how many
checks they made to clearing the puck to everything you can think of,
there are stats for it. (we will be updating the website to show all
these stats - for all teams)
Number 1 player (again, according to the stats) was Brisson, then
Goyette, Wilson, Wickenheiser, Heaney and Sunohara in order. The only
"young" one is Wickenheiser and she has a fair bit of experience
under her belt despite her age. In retrospect for you people, was it
better having a young Kathy McCormack or Jen Botterill instead of an
"old" Angela James? I knew the answer long before the changes
happened, and so did any one else who knows hockey and does not have
private motives . Age and size was not Canada's problem. Cindy's the
only one who seems to realise it. That doesn't mean the USA wouldn't
have won. They adapted, improved and overcame. They learned. They
worked hard and deserved the win.
Tim
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Tim Pacan - TeePee Communications
Women's Hockey Website:
http://web.idirect.com/~teepee/hockey.htm
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:04:51 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: little bit of everything
Ever since I was little well untill now, I hung out with guys. I'd rotate
recesses with my guy friends and my girl friends. so the morning recess would
be like soccer/football/baseball/basketball and then lunch recess would be
like I dunno some tag game or something. I did lots of things with the guys,
traded cards, rode bikes, sports. Now I don't hang out with many guys, just
some kids down the road that we play sports with. I don't like dressing up,
and I wouldn't be caught dead in a dress or skirt. I wear t-shirts, hockey
jerseys, sweatshirts and blue jean/shorts sneakers or converse. And yea I
wouldn't be surprised if people thought I was gay (which for the record, I'm
not), just because I played sports with guys and don't wear what most girls
do. But hey if they want to think that, I don't care, because I know the
truth, thats all that matters.
I don't think the olympics have done much for girls here, and if it has, I
haven't seen it. Last year there were at least 2 other girls besides me
playing in the roller hockey program. I guess I'll have to wait another month
to see if its picked up any. Which I hope it has. I play the trumpet, and in
marching band last year I was the only girl, being with the guys gets old,
especially when they happen to be talking about well you know, the entire
time. During roller hockey it wasn't that bad, since there was another girl on
my team. It'd be pretty cool to play on an all girls team, of course around
here we'd be lucky to have one full line. But it would be fun, there wouldn't
be the guys talking about girls and sex all the time.
Well the US men are out, I could kinda see it coming. They just never got
it together. As a second choice, I'll be going for Canada, half of my favorite
mens players are from there anyways. Thats all for now.
Jennie
someday (who knows when) #29
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:34:38 -0500
From: "Hornet"
Subject: Re: little bit of everything
Jen-
You're not alone. I've always been a tomboy. I never hung around the door
showing off bracelets with the other girls at recess, I would be playing
'Ninja Turtles' with the guys. I hate skirts, and until I enrolled in a
private school only wore them when I was forced to. I wear jeans, t-shirts,
shorts, and tennis shoes. My home Red Wing jersey with a pair of dark jeans
and my good tennis shoes is my 'dressier' outfit. That's about as dressy as
I get. I play drop-in ice hockey with all men (and this lady I know lets me
'sneak' into the 18+ drop-in, even though I'm 16), and these men are more in
their 20's - 30's. I am sure some people think I'm gay (though I am not),
and some have even said it to my face (even though they're part of the usual
few who insult everone about everything). But anyways...the olympics hasn't
done much around here either. The only thing it has done is get alot of
people who know me saying "Hey, that will be you in 4 years!" (to which I
mention that playing for my country would be nice, but I'd rather play for
the women's pro hockey league and perhaps the olympics on the side). No new
organizations have sprung up though. I can't wait for the women's pro
league. I also can't wait until I get a contract from some team either!
Well, time for me to step off of that soap box.
Hornet
email@hidden
http://www.angelfire.com/hi/hornetsnest/
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:38:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Bryan Parker
Subject: CIAU participants
I was hoping people could send me (privately) details about the teams
participating in the CIAU national tournament here at Concordia University
next week.
I'd like to preview the event, but I've never seen the Huskies or Pandas
before, and my knowledge of the Varsity Blues is limited and the Gryphons
even more limited.
I hope to see as many people as possible attending, and I hope those who
can't make it can watch on TSN on March 1.
In Canada, this should be the second major shot in the arm for
women's hockey after Olympic exposure (but at least this time, a Canadian
team is guaranteed to win, right?)
Finally, congratulations to former Concordia Stingers Cammi Granato and
Karyn Bye on gold medals and Therese Brisson for silver.
Bryan Parker
Sports Editor, The Concordian
(Concordia's Top Source for Stinger Sports)
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"All of his life has he looked away, to the horizon, the future... never his
mind on where he was! what he was doing!"
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:40:45 -0500
From: "Hornet"
Subject: Re: first-time soreness
Hey-
I played ice hockey for the first time about 2 weeks ago. It does make you
sore, especially those slap-shots when they hit me in the knee (stupid freak
shot got right on my knee cap where it wasn't extremely padded and killed,
but I'm not bitter!). I am not sure what is supposed to be sore, and I was
kinda in shape already, but I know (as a goalie) that my back kind of hurt
(lower), my shoulders hurt, my feet kind of hurt, and my thighs hurt the
most. It started hurting about a 45 minutes after I got out of the locker
room. If this sounds like you, I think it's normal.
Hornet
email@hidden
http://www.angelfire.com/hi/hornetsnest/
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:43:26 -0500
From: "Hornet"
Subject: Female scouts.
Hello-
Are there scouts for female hockey players? If so, what level do they
mainly focus on? I want to know where I should be. :-)
Hornet
email@hidden
http://www.angelfire.com/hi/hornetsnest/
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:45:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Gary Goldberg MD
Subject: Planning for future growth in Women's Hockey
Mr. Saunders makes the argument that the way to build the future of women's
hockey is to take a top-down approach. Create a visible upper echilon of
elite women's ice hockey play in a professional league and everything else
will fall into place. Give the best women a chance to play hockey in front
of a paying audience so they don't have to 'give up' hockey when they finish
college (or God forbid take a job as a high school of college coach), and
the future will automatically brighten up for the sport.
This is the top-down approach--build it and they will come. Create an elite
league and you have it made.
Personally, I think this is a huge mistake. Men played organized hockey for
at least 50 years in high schools, colleges, the military and on various
frozen rivers in Canada **before** the NHL was formed. There was a
gestation period that enabled the formation of a grassroots infrastructure
that allowed for the process of talent development. Without this
infrastructure, there can be no sustainable elite level of play. I do not
understand how Mr. Saunders expects that there could be.
Has anyone heard of women's professional roller derby? A great and
interesting show while it lasted. But where is it now? It certainly got a
lot of publicity, TV contracts, etc. while it was all the rage a few decades
ago. Even managed to fill a few arenas for games. But have you seen a game
lately? Do you know any girls or women who are planning their athletic
careers around this sport? Is this what we want to have happen to women's
ice hockey? I truly hope not.
What we need are more varsity college women's ice hockey programs and we
need to see girl's teams at every local ice rink and in many more secondary
school programs. We need to look at the obstacles to developing the
grassroots infrastructure for women's ice hockey play and concentrate our
efforts in that area so that there is a place for young girls to go to
develop their skills, a reason to play the game at the college level--to get
athletic scholarships that provide access to good educations and career
opportunities that might not otherwise have been available--and plenty of
recreational leagues for women who want to get into the game just for the
fun of it--as a great way to exercise and blow off steam.
I wish Mr. Saunders luck with his ambitious plans, but sure as hell hope
that the resources that are being sunk into producing a great show at the
elite level are not being drawn away from the grassroots levels where they
are needed most if women are to have expanding opportunities for entering
the sport and if a sustainable talent pool of female ice hockey players is
to be developed. If putting on a show at the elite level undermines the
development of the sport at the grassroots level, then professional women's
ice hockey will surely run the same course as women's roller derby and end
up a flash in the pan of sport history that might manage to enrich a few
while stealing great opportunities from the many.
- --GG
PS. The argument that it is so sad that the women competing at the Olympic
and college levels will have nowhere to go with their elite-level skills
seems fairly bogus to me. Most of the best players on the US Olympic team
(e.g. Sandra Whyte) already have professional careers or are receiving
Ivy-league level college education to get them there, that would make it
totally unnecessary for them to play hockey for their livelihood. For most
of them, hockey was a means to an end, not an end to gain a means. It would
seem a much more reasonable thing for these women to look at how they could
invest their skills and abilities in the next generation of players through
directing clinics, camps and ice hockey programs in various educational venues.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gary Goldberg MD Associate Professor, Dept of Physical Med and Rehab
Temple University School of Medicine
Director, Electrodiagnostic Center
Attending Physiatrist, Drucker Brain Injury Center
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1200 West Tabor Road
Philadelphia PA. 19141-3099
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Fax: 215-456-9124
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"Rehab/restitution for mind, brain and body"
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:08:03 -0800
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Planning for future growth in Women's Hockey
At 3:45 PM -0800 2/18/98, Gary Goldberg MD wrote:
>This is the top-down approach--build it and they will come. Create an elite
>league and you have it made.
>Personally, I think this is a huge mistake.
I think you mistake what he says as being "this is the only thing we should
do". I think the reality is, we need to do this ALSO. Because the elite
aspects are (a) what igves the sport a public presence and visibility, and
(b) what gives the girls something to aim for.
But it's meaningless without the grass roots. But it gives the grass roots
a rallying point, and it gives the grass roots a goal to aspire to.
>lately? Do you know any girls or women who are planning their athletic
>careers around this sport?
No, but I know some who'd like to have that option -- and if you don't
start working towards it, you'll never get there.
I want women's hockey to succeed the way women's basketball is now starting
to succeed. But ti takes work and planning (and time!) at all levels. And
we have to start now so that there's something there later.
- --
Chuq Von Rospach (Hockey fan? )
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:10:23 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: daily routines, training, and equipment
I figure, if I want to go anywhere with hockey, I'd better get into the
training thing, or at least a daily routine or something. So I was wondering
what a good daily indoor (mainly because of weather) routine would be. I am
already doing push-ups, sit-ups and squats (well untill I screwed up my foot
somehow, I'm assuming that I was doing them wrong) Everybody says jump roping
is good, and I know, I'm not going to get anywhere by not doing things I hate,
but I hate jump roping, and it never seems to help, 1 I always end up screwing
up my ankles, 2-3 I spend more time tying my shoe and messing up than actualy
jumping, its like 5 jumps mess up, 3 jumps mess up. So what besides jump
roping would be good for a dialy routine.
Of course I've tried doing a daily routine before, like the exercise bike
for half an hour, push ups and some other stuff, but that lasted maybe 4 days.
Thats my main problem, no matter how motivated I get, I usually end up
forgetting about it, run our of time to do it, or just quit. So I guess I need
to learn to stay motivated.
Last thing, equipment. Since roller hockey is starting soon, I need to
find some shin guards. And well everything I've tried on has felt wrong. Part
of it was because I was wearing jeans (maybe next time we go shoping it'll be
warm enough to wear shorts). Would they feel wrong since I'm used to knee
pads? And how are shin guards supossed to fit anyways? And as for a stick,
Who makes a good right handed outdoor roller hockey stick for under 30
dollars. I couldn't find one stick out of the 20 or 30 ones I saw. The only
one I found that I liked and wasn't too short or too long was a left handed
one. There were plenty of sticks, its just they were either too long, too
short, too light, or left handed. Some of the sticks were the right length,
but they were way too light. Do lighter sticks help any? well thats it for
now.
Jennie
to be #29, someday
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