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Women-in-Hockey Digest Tuesday, February 17 1998 Volume 01 : Number 138
In this issue:
Spoiling
Re: Promises
Re: CBS Coverage - Pathetic!
Re: Promises
Re: CBS Coverage - Pathetic!
'The glass is half full' and is the press and recognition that wo men's hockey has finally received in the Olympics!!!
Shannon Miller
Re: SPOILER
Seattle Tournament
Re: CBS Coverage - Pathetic!
Re: SPOILER
Re: Danielle Dube & Shannon Miller/Team Canada
Re: The Women have been discovered
Re: Breaking in skates update
spoilers
Miller's Prediction
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:40:05 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Spoiling
<< Thx and thumbs up to those that kept the outcome seperate from the
coverage issue. Thumbs down to those that let us know USA won. >>
Um ... isn't is quite ludicrous that when a high percentage of us were up to
watch that game, and there just happens to be this discussion forum to talk
about what we saw, we not do so? When would be an appropriate time to mention
it? Tomorrow, when people have had a chance to go over the VCR? Day after
tomorrow, just in case? Perhaps with the biggest single event in the history
of women's hockey to discuss, we chat instead about where one can find ice
time in Broken Butt, Labrador?
Good heavens, if you didn't want to know the outcome, there wasn't anything
preventing you from not reading the forum's e-mail for what, all of twelve
extra hours?
~ Bevan
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:56:45 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Promises
<< Does anyone else think it was just a little bit arrogant to have promised
the gold medal as Coach Miller did the day they left for Japan? >>
No more so than the tens of thousands of other times coaches and athletes have
said the same thing. Refuse To Lose, and all that. Considering that Canada
was 2 goals away from delivering on her promise, it wasn't all that cracked.
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:59:29 +0000
From: email@hidden (DAVE BAKER)
Subject: Re: CBS Coverage - Pathetic!
> -- Jenna
> (considering vacationing in Canada for the 2002 Olympics!)
>
Even with the Olympics being held in your back yard? Salt Lake City?
Dave
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:03:45 +0000
From: email@hidden (DAVE BAKER)
Subject: Re: Promises
> Does anyone else think it was just a little bit arrogant to have
> promised the gold medal as Coach Miller did the day they left for
> Japan? Didn't that put even more unneeded pressure on these
> athlete to perform? Can't get it out of my mind.
Could it not be considered confidence? What is wrong with that? You
just HATE her, it is very obvious.
Dave
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:29:55 -0800
From: "J. Daldry"
Subject: Re: CBS Coverage - Pathetic!
>> (considering vacationing in Canada for the 2002 Olympics!)
>>
>Even with the Olympics being held in your back yard? Salt Lake City?
>
I can picture it now...delayed games until the Late Nite broadcast, because
some CBS exec likes luge better...
If CBS is covering the Olympics again, I'm visiting Canada for the two weeks!!!
;-) Jenna
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:01:10 -0500
From: "Ashmun, Julia D"
Subject: 'The glass is half full' and is the press and recognition that wo men's hockey has finally received in the Olympics!!!
I am thrilled to finally see the long overdue recognition (Olympics,
Press, etc.) that our present and past athletes [hockey players] are
finally getting and deserve in the press, nationally and
internationally. I'm happy to see others on the net complementing all
the athletes/teams and I share in their congratulations to ALL the
national teams participating in the FIRST Olympics for Women's Ice
Hockey!
I am thrilled to go to work and instead of hearing "Do girls really play
hockey?" to hear co-workers say "Did you see this morning's game! WOW"
Unfortunately, I've also observed that far too many criticizing what to
me seems like a spectacular feat - a medal in the Olympics. And I've
noticed far more criticism has been oriented around Miller than any
other coach. To my knowledge, I don't recall any articles second
guessing or criticizing the head coaches [in women's hockey] from any
other countries about their player selection (final cuts) or coaching
style as they have Miller. And I would think that a non-medal
contending coach or a coach of a team that did not qualify for the 6
slots would receive more criticism that a coach that came home with a
Silver Medal from Olympics. Do you think Mr. Smith would have received
half the criticism that Miller has received had the US Team taken
Silver?
I understand that Hockey is Canada's 'passion' and that Silver is just
not the same as Gold but could we not wait on the critiques until we've
finished Celebrating Women's Ice Hockey being in the Olympics for the
first time?
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:08:43 -0500
From: Andria Hunter
Subject: Shannon Miller
I have just heard that Shannon Miller is going to coach at the
University of Minnesota in Duluth. That doesn't come as a big
surprise as I heard earlier that she wasn't planning to go back
to her job as a police officer.
Congrats to Team USA on a fabulous game in the Olympic gold medal
final. They really played well and deserved the win. Being a Canadian
(and a former member of Team Canada), it was disappointing to see
Canada lose, but in the big picture I think one of the biggest winners
at the Olympics is women's hockey! The exposure for our sport has been
amazing! Everywhere I turn in the stores, I see more women's hockey
paraphernalia!
I am getting around 1500 different sites visiting the women's hockey
web pages each day during the Olympics, so clearly the word about
women's hockey is getting out there!! :-)
Andria
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:11:56 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: SPOILER
In a message dated 98-02-17 17:39:07 EST, email@hidden writes:
<<
2. For pompously guaranteeing a gold medal, and failing to deliver.
What this signals to me, is a total lack of respect for her opponents on
her part, which ultimately proved to be fatal. Once again this seemed to
be an ego thing. If she had made the prediction and had delivered, she
would have looked like a "Mark Messier" and immortalized her name in
women's hockey.>>
Well, it was cool when Joe Namath guaranteed the Superbowl way back when.
Various players & coaches along the way have tried to emulate him. Some
succeeded. Some failed. When you succeed, you look like a hero. When you fail,
everyone says that you shuld not shoot off your mouth.
I'm sorry, but "guaranteeing" a victory is jsut not so dramatic anymore. Been
there. Done that. "Show me the money." Win the friggin game. Then shoot
your mouth off all you want.
<>
At the risk of being shot - Perhpas it wasn't the coaching. Perhaos Team
Canada just didn't want it as badly as Team USA. Or perhaps Team USA just
outplayed Canada.
Jill
# 77 Brooklyn Blades
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:29:41 -0500
From: Madeleine Oldham
Subject: Seattle Tournament
Hi all -
Just wanted to officially announce Seattle Women's Hockey Club's 1998
Spring Tournament, to be held April 17, 18, and 19. The tournament is
open to American or Canadian teams at the Recreational or C level (or
Canadian Women's A level.) Teams are guaranteed at least three games.
It will be held at Olympic View Ice Arena in Mountlake Terrace, WA;
located just 20 minutes from downtown Seattle. A pro-shop, concessions,
and tournament memorabilia will be available on site. Teams will be
provided with a packet of information about local hotels, restaurants,
and fun things to do (besides play hockey!) upon registration.
The entry fee is $525 US. Space is extremely limited, and this
tournament always fills up quickly, so contact us soon to guarantee a
spot. The registration deadline is March 15, 1998.
For more information, contact Madeleine Oldham at (206)782-3693 or
email@hidden
Or mail your team name, address, contact person, and phone number along
with your check (made out to "Seattle Women's Hockey Club") to:
Seattle Women's Hockey Club
PO Box 1224
Woodinville, WA 98072
Hope to see you there!
- -madeleine
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:30:20 -0500
From: Michelle Langley
Subject: Re: CBS Coverage - Pathetic!
I believe that NBC will be covering the Olympics for the next several
years, including the Games in 2002. Lets hope we'll actually get to see
a little hockey with out having to sit up until all ungodly hours of the
night. Thankfully I'm in Michigan so I get CBC coverage out of Canada.
~michelle
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:39:34 -0800
From: Anne Paulson
Subject: Re: SPOILER
Greg Smith writes:
> I think most
> people will agree, Team Canada did not have their "A" game or even "A"
> team in Nagano.
Gosh yes. If Team Canada had brought their best players,
they would have crushed those no-talent upstarts from south of the border.
Yeah, that's it. I'm sure *everyone* on this list agrees with that.
Well, everyone except me... and, probably, just a few others. Well, maybe
more than a few. In fact, I would guess that most people on this list think
that both teams played extremely well and were well-matched in a close,
hard-fought game in a close, hard-fought series.
- -- Anne Paulson
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:33:58 -0600
From: "Erin and Rich Malinowski"
Subject: Re: Danielle Dube & Shannon Miller/Team Canada
>It is really sad: having women's hockey in the Olympics was supposed to be
>the spring board in promoting female hockey, particularly at the grass
>roots level. Instead you have people here laughing at the caliber of play
>and thinking women's hockey is such a joke.
The reaction has been very different where I live (near Chicago). I have
been stopped and asked about the Olympic women's hockey games at the grocery
store and the mall, simply because I was wearing a women's hockey
sweatshirt. And the guys at work could talk of nothing else but the women's
USA-Canada game today (most didn't even know the final score of the men's
match-up). One even commented that the USA women's power play was better
executed than the USA men's.
As a member of our state committee for women's and girls' hockey, I have
been getting calls every day from women who are interested in learning to
play.
>With all the bad press they've been receiving, instead of having
>registrations in female hockey swell after the Olympics, you might
>actually see the opposite effect, with parents actually afraid to enroll
>their daughters in female hockey
The Chicago press has been great. With two local players (Cammi Granato and
Sarah Tueting) there have been many positive articles in lots of our local
papers. There was even an article about Ben Smith and his adjustment to the
women's game. It made the women sound better than the men.
Go Team USA!
Keep Skating!
Erin Malinowski
Chicago Rebels Women's Hockey
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:49:14 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: The Women have been discovered
In a message dated 98-02-16 00:48:06 EST, email@hidden writes:
<< I was talking to my daughter tonight. She was telling me with all the
coverage of the women's hockey games on the Olympics, it seems that the media
has 'discovered' her team. This coming week both the local Albany TV station
and newspaper are coming out to do stories on the RPI's team as well as the
school newspaper.
The term bandwagonner comes to mind, but I guess I shouldn't complain. It is
about time women's sports gets noticed and the same phenomenon that happened
with women's basketball seems to be happening with hockey already. I am
hoping that this will then translate to more people attending the games this
coming weekend.
I am curious if other teams are starting to receive like interest from the
media?
>>
YES!! YES!! YES!! YES!! The Brooklyn Blades are all over the place these
days....
We have a video showing in Niketown (NYC), There was a full page article in
the NY Post (Sunday, Feb 8), we are in the current issue (March) of Conde
Nast Sports for Women (page 28), we were on the same feature on MSNBC and CNBC
as the CT. Polar Bears, a local news broadcast today, and Lifetime TV taped
one of our practces and a game, along with interviewing a few of our players
(not sure when/if this is going to air.), and we were on Page 1 of the Metro
Section of today's NY Times. (For those of you not in the NYC area - here is
the web address for the article :
http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/national/ny-womens-hockey.html
You have to register to use the site, but it is quick, and most important,
it is free!!)
We also have a cool website: http://www.panix.com/~ali/blades/
I can easily see how all this attention can swell someone's head. But, when
the media compares our level of hockey to "sandlot baseball." it sure puts
thing back in perspective in a hurry.
I am actually pretty amused by the fact that that one year ago I did not know
that women played ice hockey, I've only been playing hockey for less than 8
months, and now my team is getting all of this attention.
I can say that it is about time that women's hockey gets the attention and
exposure it deserves.
Jill
# 77 Brooklyn Blades
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:54:48 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Breaking in skates update
put socks in hot wate for like five min then put your sk8s on for 2 or so
hours
it works great but i dont ware socks when i play so that could help too
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:05:49 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: spoilers
First, Chuq told people not to post the scores in the topic lines, and the
first posters didn't. Second, why log on at all until after you've watched
the game? There's no law saying you have to check your e-mail at a certain
time, unless you logged on at work.
Finally, the results were announced on drivetime radio during the morning
commute on virtually every station, including such bastions of sports coverage
as NPR. Were the people who are now complaining planning to avoid radios,
TV's, and sports loving co-workers for a whole day?
Lisa Evans
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:20:18 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Miller's Prediction
I'm of two minds on this. First, Bevan's right - guaranteed wins are very
common, and all too often the guarantor falls flat on his/her face. Shannon
Miller is no more arrogant than Mark Messier was a few years back. The only
difference is that Messier was able to deliver. If he hadn't, people would
have called him an arrogant putz, shrugged, and forgotten about it in a week.
However, Miller was really tempting the hockey gods, and regardless of whether
you like her or hate her (I'm fairly neutral, although I'm not crazy about the
politicking rumors - we'll see what she's really like when she starts coaching
next season), that was not a smart thing to do. It's not in the league of,
say, the Rochester Americans having themselves *measured for championship
rings before the playoffs started* in 1990 (they ended up losing to underdog
Springfield), but it's all too easy to look like a fool if you or your players
can't quite do it.
As for whether Angela James or Tammy Shewchuk or Danielle Dube would have made
a difference - who knows? If the Americans had lost today, right now
everyone would be whinging about how Erin Whitten and Stephanie O'Sullivan and
Meaghan Sittler would have made a difference, and what an idiot Ben Smith is.
Second guessing doesn't change the result.
Finally - this has been coming for nearly a year. It took OT, bad officiating
and a fluke goal to beat Team USA at the Worlds last year. Canada then lost
the Three Nations Cup and was tied 7-7 with the USA coming into this morning's
game. The American program had very obviously caught up to Canada quite some
time ago, and lacked only the confidence in their own abilities to beat their
rivals. America winning a major tournament was inevitable.
Congratulations to all participants in the tourney, and may this bring about a
golden age for women's hockey. Who among us really thought this day would
ever come????
Lisa Evans
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