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Women-in-Hockey Digest Tuesday, February 17 1998 Volume 01 : Number 137
In this issue:
Re: US TV Coverage
CBS Coverage - Pathetic!
T-Shirts
Congratulations USA
NYC viewing area - be sure to watch...
Re: Congratulations USA
Re: CBS Coverage - Pathetic!
Now that it's over
Re: Congratulations USA
apologies
congratulations to all of us!
Fw: Women's hockey not real?!
Re: Back Strengthening/Stretching
Goalie looking for team to play on in Brampton
Canada West University tournament
Re: CBS Coverage - Pathetic!
Promises
Re: Promises
SPOILER
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:54:44 -0500
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: US TV Coverage
I think most sports fans at least agree that there are way too many (one
would be too many) human interest stories broadcast during the games. This
is one of the points I brought up in my email to CBS.
Wendy
FLASH Hockey - #21
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:21:16 -0600 (CST)
From: LM
Subject: CBS Coverage - Pathetic!
Cindy Goodman wrote:
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As I predicted, CBS did not even show the full game -- only about half.
As far as I'm concerned, they fully deserve the low ratings they have
gotten for their coverage. Early on, there was plenty of criticism from
the sports press and their advertisers about what was wrong with the
coverage and CBS did nothing to correct it. Now, they will have to return
money to their advertisers as ratings did not match promises. But, the
real crime is that US sports fans are missing out on seeing the games as
they should be seen.
Laura
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:28:15 -0600
From: email@hidden
Subject: T-Shirts
Does anyone still have the T-Shirts that Cammi's mother was selling? My
original source seems to have fallen through and I really want to buy some
of these.
Wendy
FLASH Hockey - #21
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Date: 17 Feb 1998 09:51:57 U
From: "Olson, Lynn"
Subject: Congratulations USA
Way to go USA!! Congratulations on your GOLD medal. I would like to think that Ben Smith's "quiet" demeanor and experience has taken Team USA to a higher level. This list has been very criticial of Shannon Miller and Team Canada and there must have been problems that have showed up in the games during the last month. The US has successfully brought its level of hockey up and peaked at the right time. I am proud of the Americans on this list who kept quiet about any difficult situations Team USA was experiencing and did not cut down the program. Team USA worked hard and deserves this GOLD medal. What a great game and wonderful ending to this first women's ice hockey in the Olympic Winter Games.
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:54:25 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: NYC viewing area - be sure to watch...
I hope this message makes it through the expected onslaught of comments about
the gold medal game (way to go, USA!!!).
On Wednesday, February 25, channel 7 Eyewitness News (ABC) weatherman, Bill
Evans, is coming to the Stamford Twin Rinks to do his show with the Stamford
Storm women's hockey team. Bill will be playing in goal all morning while
somehow reporting the weather simultaneously. I spoke with him this morning
and there will be around 17 or 18 appearances of the team in different
situations. We will be on the ice from 5:00 to 9:00 am.
OK, I guess I can't get through this e-mail without some comments about the
Olympics:
When I spoke to the producer this morning, she commented that I must be happy
about the Olympic game. I told her I cried, and she was surprised. I briefly
explained the amount of work, and the fight for ice time, that all female
hockey players have gone through to get to this point. She had no idea.
The publicity that has been given the women was far better than I expected.
The Stamford arena management has truly recognized the women as hockey players
and respects our desire to play and right to ice time. My sincere thanks to
the people who made this happen - especially ALL the women who played in
Nagano.
The only thing that bothers me is that, while the Canadien men were there to
support the women, there was no mention of any of the American players around.
There may be a good reason for this. I am just sensitive (and I'm sure I'm
not the only one) to the lack of support for women by men at any level of
play. I know this isn't true of all men, but it is pervasive. Did anyone
else sense this, or am I overly sensitive?
Great job ladies! It is a happy day for US women's hockey players and
supporters and a great year for women's hockey internationally.
Abby Clabough
"It takes courage to have a dream and determination to make it come true."
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:33:30 -0500
From: Cindy Goodman
Subject: Re: Congratulations USA
I am from Canada. I couldn't agree with you more about the USA victory. They are very deserving champions. They worked extremely hard to improve their hockey program and it showed. Ben Smith has done an outstanding job preparing this group for the Olympics. I am one of the people who has been critical of the coaching for team Canada. In my opinion it is inexperienced and inadequate. I don't plan on using this loss today to kick them while they are down. I feel sorry for the players. They worked hard too. Maybe this is what we needed to improve our program. You can learn a lot from losing. The Canadian men are proving that now. However on this day the US women deserved the win. Congratulations.
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:40:02 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: CBS Coverage - Pathetic!
That really sucks.Canada was suppose to win. Now I am very disappointed.=c(
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:45:18 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Now that it's over
Now that the first olympic women's hockey is over. My feeling is that women's
hockey will snowball across the country and world.
The final game was an awesome promotion for the game, hopefully women
everywhere will feel the urge to play and hopefully women's hockey will become
the sport that everybody will be talking about.
The CBS coverage I thought was pretty bad, I had hoped that they would show
the full game and not just the highlights. Hopefully they will rethink this
for the next big championships.
Nicci
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:38:16 -0800
From: Liz Johnson
Subject: Re: Congratulations USA
Thanks for spoiling this for those of us who taped the game this morning.
There was a message from the list Mom asking people not to put stuff like
this in the subject line. I managed to avoid TV and radio this morning but
one little e-mail slips through.
Thanks again,
Liz
At 11:33 AM 2/17/98 -0500, Cindy Goodman wrote:
>I am from Canada. I couldn't agree with you more about the USA victory.
They are very deserving champions. They worked extremely hard to improve
their hockey program and it showed. Ben Smith has done an outstanding job
preparing this group for the Olympics. I am one of the people who has been
critical of the coaching for team Canada. In my opinion it is inexperienced
and inadequate. I don't plan on using this loss today to kick them while
they are down. I feel sorry for the players. They worked hard too. Maybe
this is what we needed to improve our program. You can learn a lot from
losing. The Canadian men are proving that now. However on this day the US
women deserved the win. Congratulations.
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:15:43 -0800
From: Liz Johnson
Subject: apologies
My apologies for singling out the person who posted who the winner was for
the Olympic gold medal game.
I shouldn't have singled out anyone because other people posted too, which
I wish they hadn't because I taped the game this morning and won't be able
to watch until this evening.
humbly yours,
Liz
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 98 10:20:00 -0800
From: "HARRIS, zharris"
Subject: congratulations to all of us!
Congratulations to all the women who will go down in history (her-story)
for being the first women hockey players in the Olympics! What a feat!
What an experience... what an honor.
And congratulations to all that supported those teams... and who continue
to support the sport in their area/country. I am continuously blown away at
the wonderful grassroot efforts of this sport... and of all women's sports.
It is a powerful thing!
I have been impressed with the Canadian play and talent, and I am very
proud of the USA win... it was a well deserved win. If the game was played
tomorrow... who knows what the results would be... as I always say, "Any
team can win or be beaten on any day." What a wonderful battle it has been
and will continue to be... what a great story. It will only get better.
Pat yourselves on the back because of your support, interest, passion,
desire, blood, sweat and tears... you've keep the game alive and growing!
It was a win for all us who love ice hockey!
Zoe Harris - Seattle, WA
Women's Hockey World
http://home.onestop.net/zmh
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 98 10:20:04 PST
From: "Marc Inglis"
Subject: Fw: Women's hockey not real?!
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> Date: February 16, 1998 23:53:17
> From: minglis
> To: Women in hockey
> Subject: Women's hockey not real?!
>
> My daughter, who is eight, pointed this advertisment out to me "Tommorrow in
> your Province: Now the REAL hockey begins!"
> "The Province" is British Columbia's biggest daily newspaper. She asked me
> "isn't girls hockey real?" I told her that it was. I was so mad that I wrote
> the editor a letter; email@hidden., I encourage you to write
> him as well. Maybe, he hasn't been watching the olympic coverage to see that
> the woman's game is real too!
>
> pissed off
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:31:31, -0500
From: email@hidden (BOBBIE STANFILL)
Subject: Re: Back Strengthening/Stretching
And while you're waiting for the book to arrive, there's a long thesis on
stretching and flexibility at
www.cs.huji.ac.il/papers/rma/stretching_toc.html
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:41:19 -0500
From: "Ashmun, Julia D"
Subject: Goalie looking for team to play on in Brampton
USA Hockey registered goalie looking for team to play on in Brampton (A,
BB, B, CC or C levels are okay). Her team recently decided not to go.
Please email me off-line for further information.
Julia
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:41:53 -0600 (CST)
From: John Edwards
Subject: Canada West University tournament
The first-ever CWUAA championship was held last weekend in Calgary, Alberta.
Participating teams:
Pool I Pool II
University of Alberta Pandas University of Calgary Dinosaurs
Univ. of British Columbia Thunderbirds University of Lethbridge Pronghorns
University of Manitoba Bisons University of Saskatchewan Huskies
Round Robin results:
Thursday, Feb. 12
Saskatchewan 4 Lethbridge 0
Alberta 1 U.B.C. 1
Calgary 10 Lethbridge 0
Friday, Feb. 11
Manitoba 0 Alberta 0
Calgary 4 Saskatchewan 1
Manitoba 4 U.B.C. 3
Round Robin standings:
Pool I W-L-T GF GA Pts Pool II W-L-T GF GA Pts
Calgary 2-0-0 14 1 4 Manitoba 1-0-1 4 3 3
Sask. 1-1-0 5 4 2 Alberta 0-0-2 1 1 2
Leth. 0-0-2 0 14 0 U.B.C. 0-1-1 4 5 1
Saturday, Feb. 14
Consolation game: UBC 8 Lethbridge 1
Semifinals: Manitoba 4 Saskatchewan 2
Alberta 1 Calgary 0 (shootout, Alberta won SO 1-0)
Sunday, Feb. 15
Bronze Medal: Calgary 5 Saskatchewan 1
Gold Medal: Alberta 4 Manitoba 3 (OT)
Goalscorers: Alberta: Kristy Lorenz 3, Susan Huculak. Manitoba: Amber
Rommelaere, Kristen Hodge, Cindy Klassen. GWG: Lorenz at 7:23 of overtime.
Goaltenders: Alberta - Karen Chouinard, Manitoba - Pam Staples.
Tournament MVP: Stacy McCullough (G, Alberta)
Comments: This tournament was marked by how close the top 5 teams were.
It was so close, that Pool II's standings were just about decided by a
nightmare tie-breaking scenario (had Manitoba and UBC tied their game,
Alberta would likely have been eliminated on the basis of penalty
minutes!). A testament to Alberta's defence was the fact that they were
able to make the final by scoring (and allowing) only one goal.
See you later,
John
- --
John Edwards - email@hidden - http://www.islandnet.com/~jedwards
Member, Ross Regabliati Fan Club
The opinions expressed are mine alone, because everybody else says I'm weird.
NOTE: I reserve the right to forward any obnoxious and/or stupid mail.
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:03:13 -0800
From: "J. Daldry"
Subject: Re: CBS Coverage - Pathetic!
Laura wrote:
>>I beg to differ Jenna. Maybe it's not a major sport in California, but it
is in the midwest and the east. CBS's coverage is pathetic. <<
What I'm trying to say is that hockey does not, no matter where you live in
the US, have the prestige and fan following of the NFL or NBA. If you were
to broadcast the Stanley Cup final -- Game 7 at the same time as the
Superbowl, do you honestly believe that hockey would get the same "ratings"
as football??? We don't have John Elway, Brett Favre or Michael Jordan, for
that matter.
Hockey arenas (on average) hold, and sell out, 17-20,000 seats each game.
College football stadiums can hold, and sell out, 50-75,000 or more. Same
for pro football. If they iced over a football field, would they fill the
seats? Even back east?
Don't get me wrong; I love hockey. I wouldn't stay up till 3 in the morning
to watch football, or "dream team" basketball in the olympics. Ever. Yawn.
>>Even it weren't a major sport, the US women's team has made history and
>>CBS should be broadcasting live and complete. Instead, as of this
>>moment, they have
not aired the game. It's 6:45 AM in Chicago. CBS said the game would air
starting at 6:00 AM local time, but guess what they are filling the
broadcast with local news and fluff interviewing Cammi Granatos aunts,
uncles and cousins.<<
I totally agree with the above... I have watched each and every hockey game
CBS has shown, regardless of the time or how bad the coverage is. And from
what I'm hearing, the coverage seems to be the same in the east (CBS) as in
the west. We didn't even get the fluff interviewing (which I wouldn't mind
during ski jumping or biathlon coverage!).
It's awful, but as I mentioned before, if it's all I have, then I'll take it.
- -- Jenna
(considering vacationing in Canada for the 2002 Olympics!)
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240-Robert TV Series Fan Page
http://www.geocities.com/~240robert
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:18:07 -0500
From: Cindy Goodman
Subject: Promises
Does anyone else think it was just a little bit arrogant to have promised the gold medal as Coach Miller did the day they left for Japan? Didn't that put even more unneeded pressure on these athletes to perform? Can't get it out of my mind.
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:10:18 -0400
From: Debbie Minden
Subject: Re: Promises
Shannon Miller is not the only coach or athlete to promise something that
she didn't deliver. Win one for the gipper. Lindros promised Philly a
Stanley Cup. It goes on and on. Ever since they threw Christians to the
lions in the Colesium, part of sport has been showmanship. You may not
like Shannon Miller, but she got a silver and led a bunch of talented,
brave, single-minded women. At this point, its time to put it to rest. We
all won this morning because we got one step further on the equal rights
road. May now, fewer coaches will say there is no room for girls in
hockey, and more rinks will give time to woman's team. My guess is you
can't be harder on Shannon Miller than she is on herself. Her statement to
the press showed a lot of class. Let's all move on.
Debbie
>Does anyone else think it was just a little bit arrogant to have promised the
> gold medal as Coach Miller did the day they left for Japan? Didn't that put
> even more unneeded pressure on these athletes to perform? Can't get it out of
> my mind.
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Debbie Minden
email@hidden
215-635-4817
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:36:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Greg GMSMITH Marlene Smith
Subject: SPOILER
Losing the Game of Their Lives
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Congrats on Team USA for winning the gold medal! Full credit to Team USA
for a gutsy performance, and for keeping their composure in that third
period when Team Canada showed signs of coming on. After all those
heart-breaking losses in World Championship play, it's great to see team
USA win the big one, although I do feel kind of sad for Erin Whitten and
Steph O'Sullivan, for not being a part of it, it looks as if Ben Smith
made the right call.
That being said, I think the loss should spur Canadian Hockey to take a
long and hard look at their program. First and foremost, they need to
make sure that next time around, the selection process is so air tight
that there can be no question that the best players do selected, and that
there isn't even an apperance of bias in the selection process. Clearly,
having the head evaluator who is associated with her own high performance
program business venture does not appear to facilitate this.
I really don't like to criticize players, but it appeared obvious to me
that players like Kathy McCormack and Jennifer Botteril looked lost out
there, and shouldn't have made the team over Angela James or Tammy
Shewchuk. I can understand that Team Canada might have wanted to go with
a "youth movement", but there is a time and a place for it. Pac Rim's and
3 Nations Cups are times when you can afford to see how the younger
players play. The Olympics is a time to go with your best 22.
Quite clearly, Canadian Hockey needs to have a long hard look at their
coaching situation. It appears that Miller's tactics and off-ice baggage
isn't worth it anymore (to me it appears it never was). I think most
people will agree, Team Canada did not have their "A" game or even "A"
team in Nagano. Shannon Miller had her troops all wound up and nervous
with all her off-ice shenanigans, while Ben Smith players were loose and
ready to go. It's time to make the move from a Mike Keenan-type coach
such as Miller to more of a player's coach like Mel Davidson was, or maybe
bring back Les Lawton.
Shannon Miller looks like a total fool now for two reasons:
1. For cutting Angela James -- Miller felt she had to cut Angela
James to satisfy her ego. This cut not only deprived Canada of one of
their most offensively gifted forwards, but it also stirred up tremendous
controversy, and brought back rumours swirling around the team. This
off-ice controversy cost them the gold medal and also set the growth of
female hockey back a couple of years. Two page articles entitled "Team
Canada rocked by sex scandal" can't be good for the development of women's
hockey.
2. For pompously guaranteeing a gold medal, and failing to deliver.
What this signals to me, is a total lack of respect for her opponents on
her part, which ultimately proved to be fatal. Once again this seemed to
be an ego thing. If she had made the prediction and had delivered, she
would have looked like a "Mark Messier" and immortalized her name in
women's hockey. Instead, she will now be remembered as the coach who lost
the Olympics for Canada... providing Team USA with extra incentive to
make her eat those words.
She can blame her loss on all the injuries all she wants (and even if
injuries did play a factor, she shot herself in the foot but cutting
players who should have made the team), but the fact remains, her team
did not string together a solid 60 minutes the whole tournament, and did
not come to play the first two periods of the final game, a game, you
would think, one should have no problem getting motivated for.
Miller, quite evidently, was out coached by US counter part Ben Smith.
The Canadian power play looked horrendous and Miller failed to adjust her
penalty kill to deal effectively with the cohesive USA power play, who
were using that weak side d-man sneak set play the whole tournament, and
cashed in with two power play goals. Can someone please tell Miller there
is no correlation between how much you scream and how well you coach.
Even above the crowd noise and play-by-play commentary, you can constantly
here hear screaming directions out to her players.
In answer to her critics, Miller has always had her record to fall back
on, but having lost the last two major women's hockey tournaments, the
"snowball" has been crushed, the momentum is gone, the past four Women's
World Championships mean nothing.. bottom line is.. Miller lost the big
one.. the one that really counted.. Miller lost the game of their lives
and should be held accountable. It's time for Canadian Hockey to end this
charade and move forward into re-building a once credible women's hockey
program.
Make no mistake, reports of Canada's demise as a dominant super power in
women's hockey is greatly exagerrated. While the US is catching up,
Canada still has such a deep talent base to draw from. Even playing
badly, they managed to hold the U.S. to a 3-1 score (or as Miller likes to
say 2-1 with an empty net goal). There are still Some tremendously
talented players that were left off the squad, while others are coming up
in the ranks. Hayley Wickenheiser, perhaps one of the most dominant
players in the world when she is moved to play, will be a main stay on
this team for at least the next 10 years and next 2 Olympics.
What these players deserve is a top-notch program, lead by a coach who is
more concerned with developing the female program, as opposed to being
blinded by her own ego. Let the rebuilding begin.
Greg.
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