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Women-in-Hockey Digest Thursday, February 12 1998 Volume 01 : Number 127
In this issue:
Attention (young women) Hockey Players
Re: Women's Pro Hockey League
Cammi's brother
NCWHL Tournament
Re: Luge and Hockey/ TV Coverage
Re: Women's Pro Hockey League
Re: Women's Pro Hockey League
Re: Women's Pro Hockey League
CBC vs SRC
Re: CBC vs SRC
strong legs
Timing of Olympic Hockey Games
Pierrefonds?
Re: Evaluating Team Canada players
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:04:16 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Attention (young women) Hockey Players
The Gunnery, a small (238 students) coed prep/boarding school located in
Connecticut, USA, is looking for established young women hockey players
(grades 9-12). The present team (only varsity) consists of a one and a half
strong line of forwards and one strong defensive line. There are four seniors
on the team who will be graduating at the end of the school year. Presently
there are three girls who besides attending The Gunnery (full time boarders),
also skate for the Connecticut Polar Bears (Peewee 1, Peewee 2, and Midget 2)
(http://www.ctpolarbears.com). The school has shown a sincere effort to make
this team a very competitive one in the next two years (in addition to more
hockey players being brought in, there have been over one million dollars in
rink improvements and a new Zamboni). Although there are no guarantees, in
some cases financial aid may be awarded. So if you are a competent ice hockey
player with solid academics, don't be bashful, send a short resume to:
The Gunnery
Hugh Caldara
Director of Athletics
99 Green Hill Road
Washington, Ct. 06793
Maybe if you're in the area you can check out the school (my daughter would be
glad to give a tour). Again, send a letter to the Athletic Director, we don't
know you're out there if you don't speak up. International students certainly
may apply. Women's sports can be a vehicle for furthering one's academic
future. Men have been doing it for years. It's now your turn.
B.T.W. I also have a 12 year old daughter that plays for the Ct. Polar Bears
(Squirt 1). And did you know? Four skaters on the USA Women's Hockey Team are
former Connecticut Polar Bears. GO USA!
Christopher J. Kushwara
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:23:48 -0600 (CST)
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's Pro Hockey League
>Perhaps at UNH, but when perennial women's hockey power Northeastern doesn't
>draw more than a few hundred fans to free games, I mistrust expectations that
>people will pay $10 a head to flock in numbers insufficient to support any
>men's pro team.
As a side note.
At RPI, the men's hockey team (Div I) draws over 5,000 fans per game and has a waiting line for
season tickets to the games. The women's team (Div III) draws approx 100 fans to free games.
Most of the game they play away have similar attendance. The record attendance for a RPI
women's game is 250!
>By contrast, in hockey, there aren't thirty-two varsity PROGRAMS between
>Canada and the United States, and probably not many more than that (if that
>many) high school girls' teams.
Just wanted to correct the numbers...
I believe in Minnasota the number of HS girls teams is in the neighborhood of 80 alone.
Girls teams are growing in number as well as collegate programs with several more schools
planning to start or move over to varsity status in the next years. I believe that the number
of 32 varsity programs would be correct for the US alone, since there are 24 varsity teams in
the ECAC alone and approx 3 more for next year.
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:31:24 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Cammi's brother
I have been the #1 Cammi Granato fan since December 13, 1993 when i first saw
her skate at a celebrety game (Ice the Fire) in Anaheim, CA benifiting the
victims of the Malibu Fires. It was then that I decided (but forgot to tell
my parents) that I was going to play hockey and ever since she has been my
hero. Therefore, to me, my family, my friends, and any team I've ever skated
on, it's always been Cammi (Cammi, Cammi, Cammi) and her brother . I get sad
as hell when she's in the newspaper and they say Cammi Granato, sister of San
Jose Shark's Tony Granato, ............. She has worked very hard to achieve
a supirior identity finally beeing realized this year. However, now that
Cammi Granato has become a household name, I guess Tony deserves some
recognition as well. Good Luck Cammi Granato, Angela, Sarah DeCosta, and Team
USA!
Love,
Chanda
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Date: 11 Feb 1998 18:36:19 -0700
From: "Randi Tyler"
Subject: NCWHL Tournament
>Speaking of tournaments ....Anyone in San Jose going
>to invite the Lady Kings when you host your tournament in ??
>August??
The Northern California Women's Hockey League (NCWHL) is indeed having its
2nd annual invitational tournament this summer, tentatively scheduled for
August. The tournament is still in the early planning stages, however any
teams interested in playing can e-mail our tournament co-chairperson:
Jeannette Defayette at: email@hidden
Please send her your name and address, team name and what level you feel your
team belongs in. (For instance, at what level did your team play in Las
Vegas if you attended that tournament.)
And yes, the Lady Kings are certainly welcome (they attended last year's
tournament). However, we may ask them to move up to a higher level depending
on the mix of teams that attend.
Randi
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:14:54 -0600 (CST)
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Luge and Hockey/ TV Coverage
On 02/11/98 09:19:46 you wrote:
>
>re: TripleCast
>
>1. Don't charge more than what is charged for NFL Sunday ticket (satellite
>dish package). The NFL knows their marketing and how much people will be
>willing to pay for a sports package.
NFL Sunday Ticket cost $160 for the season, didn't I read someone complaining because the
Triplecast cost $190 and was later discounted to $125? What is a fair price for an Olympic
package, 24 coverage for the three weeks? Or should the price be per event? NHL Center Ice
costs $110 for the season. Would sport bars be interested in the packages? The NFL doesn't set
the price of the Sunday Ticket, DirecTV does. It cost more than $29 to get one prize fight on
cable or dish. Sunday Ticket and Center Ice use existing feeds for the coverage. Would full
coverage of the Olympics mean addition expense to broadcast? If so then this will drive up the
cost to you for the service. Lots of things to be weighed.
>2. The big difference between when the TripleCast was first offered, and if
>it gets offered at the next Olympics will be about 3 million mini dishes. I
>remember that at the time of the TripleCast, I couldn't have gotten it off
>of the local cable system even if I had wanted the product. With so many
>households using DSS (and BUDs--we're still a couple of million dishes in
>households), people *can* get the package if they're so inclined.
The dish market has been growing at a million a year, DirecTV now has over 3.3 million
subscribers as of the end of 1997. This rate will probably not continue as strong, but by the
next summer Olympics the number could be over 6 million and by 2002??? But what percentage of
the dish owners will subscribe to the Olympics. How many people will be willing to purchase a
dish so that they can get the special Olympic events for another $300 if they don't already have
one?
>I'd be surprised if someone doesn't offer such a package in the next couple
>of Olympics.
The suggestion has been made to them. Only time will tell if they act on it.
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:33:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Alicia L Roberts
Subject: Re: Women's Pro Hockey League
Ok, I've sat back and listened to your comments long enough. Now I'm
going to put my input in. All I want to say (and I know there are more of
us out there who feel this way):
I want a place to play after college!
Alicia Roberts
UNH Wildcats #31
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 23:13:44 -0600
From: widget
Subject: Re: Women's Pro Hockey League
Alicia,
>
> I want a place to play after college!
>
I hope you get one. I figure that if the players sign on and if this league
doesn't fly, at least they will have tried. I know plenty of people who take
time off after college to work in the peacecorps, as missionaries, travel, bum
around, etc. The time you spend with this league - whether or not it succeeds
- - will be a once in a lifetime experience. I am only 30, but there are
already plenty of things I regret not doing. My best wishes to this league
and all the women looking to play in it.
Lea
#2 Houston Harpies
- --
*********
"Sometimes you have to look reality in the eye
and deny it." --- Garrison Keillor
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:40:20 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's Pro Hockey League
<< 24 varsity teams in the ECAC alone >>
24 VARSITY teams or 24 teams? No way in hell there are 24 VARSITY teams -- a
number of the teams have "club" status. A recent article on the women's
Beanpot (for those of you unfamiliar, an annual tournament between
Northeastern, Harvard, Boston College and Boston University parallelling the
monstrously popular men's version) pointed out that Northeastern had won
almost all of them, except for the season that Brown played in the tourney in
the place of BU, which couldn't ice a team. The BU team is a club one, and
habitually gets its brains beaten out.
And yes, I've already had mail from the Minnesota fans correcting me, happily
so. I wish to hell that kind of HS-level support existed in Massachusetts.
- - Bevan
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 05:34:12 PST
From: "Marc Inglis"
Subject: CBC vs SRC
I just finished watching the Canadian VICTORY over Finland. I just want to let you know how unimpressed I am with CBC, who were very lame in showing this game, compared to SRC (French CBC). CBC showed figure skating, interviewed the head of COC, talked and talked and then, lots and I mean lots of commercials. While the SRC, showed the game with only the minmal interuptions for, short, comercial breaks. Even if you don't understand french, the play-by-play is done by the "Sorie de Hockey" (Hockey Night in Canada) team, you would hear that they were into the game, you can hear it in their voices. Very good coverage!!!
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:12:47 -0500
From: Cindy Goodman
Subject: Re: CBC vs SRC
I agree with you completely about the coverage on the SRC. Don't both of these stations work for the same parent company? That being the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. Why such a big difference? Different program directors maybe. I will be watching the rest of the women's coverage on the SRC. What ever happened to the promise by the CBC that we would see all of the games? They pre empted the women's game with China to give us endless reports about the Rablagiati situation and then all they did was repeat that they didn't know anything yet. Over and over. What a waste of air time! Why couldn't they show the game and have a message scroll along the bottom of the screen or break away when they actually had something to say. Brian Williams, man, mister dramatic. It takes him 5 minutes to say something that should take 2. Then he repeats himself every 10 minutes as if we aren't still watching. Please. Or why couldn't they tape delay the game and show it later in it's entirety? !
Are these unreasonable requests? People it only happens once every four years. You would think that would give them time to get it right. If the Japanese women's team can put a team on the ice in 8 years to play against the world's best why oh why can't the TV people do the same?
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 07:38:58 -0700
From:
Subject: strong legs
The new issue of Go, girl! is online at http://www.gogirlmag.com ...
In our feature story, we provide "leg basics" -- anatomy, workout
guidelines, etc. -- and offer suggestions for strengthening the muscles
of your lower half for improved performance and endurance. Great for
improving your skating.
We also have a new sport psychology guru: meet CJ Lockman Hall in the
"Strong Mind, Strong Body" column. She has some good suggestions for
"digging dip" -- and our profile is all about a nationally-ranked inline
speed skater: Tara Peterson.
Hasn't the Olympic hockey been great?! I looooove seeing the coverage
(and wish there was more!)
Melissa
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Go, girl! Magazine http://www.gogirlmag.com
415-459-2992
Go, girl! is a bi-weekly magazine dedicated to getting women of all
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:51:01 EST
From: Jill Depto
Subject: Timing of Olympic Hockey Games
Hi everyone,
I've been following the hockey games on TNT and CBS
and after watching the US vs. China, US vs. Finland
and the men's Slovakia vs. Kazhakstan I have a question
about the clock.
I've noticed that the clock was running UP instead of
DOWN (i.e. the period started with the clock at 0:00
instead of 20:00). Why is this? Do the players see it
this way too or is this just another TV thing for people
who are not sports fans??
Personally, if they were to run the clock that way at
my games, I would be utterly confused, I'm sure!!
Also, another question. This year for the first time
the NHL men are allowed to compete for their countries in
the Olympics (as the NBA men have been allowed for several
Olympics). This seems a little bit odd, considering that in
figure skating those who have declared professional status are
NOT allowed to skate in the Olympics. I know that there is a
rule that says that once a figure skater declares professional status
they can redeclare amateur status ONCE ONLY, in order to compete in
the Olympics one more time, but there is no such rule for NHL or
NBA players. Doesn't this seem to be inconsistent??
As I see it, the professional figure skaters skate for money, as
do the NHL men (and the NBA men). They are all professionals,
so shouldn't the rule be the same across the board??
I really don't have a preference as to whether or not they
should allow NHL players in (I know there has been some
controversy over this), nor am I a figure skating fan.
I just thought of this and I'm curious.
Incidentally, I liked watching the luge (and would even probably
try it given the chance!!), but I agree that they showed WAY TOO
MUCH men's luge. Also, I think that considering that
women's hockey is a brand new sport this year, TNT and CBS together
have been giving it OK coverage. I mean TNT showed about a half
hour of curling and about that much of snowboarding too. CBS
has shown more snowboarding but I think women's hockey
has gotten more OVERALL coverage by TNT and CBS combined than the
other two new sports. Although, I do hate that they didn't show
very much of the last period of US vs. Finland just because noone
scored.
Can someone email me privately the scores of Canada vs. Finland,
US vs. Japan, and China vs. Sweden (and also China vs. Japan from
yesterday). Thanks!!
- -Jill
email@hidden
#7 Boston VooDoo!!
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:24:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Bryan Parker
Subject: Pierrefonds?
On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, you wrote:
> And many of the areas chosen for teams are already saturated with hockey teams
> (Billerica will be up against the Worcester Ice Cats; Hooksett against the
> Lowell Lock Monsters, UNH Wildcats, and several other college teams;
> Bridgeport the Beast of New Haven; and Pierrefonds the Montreal Canadians and
> a half dozen QMJHL teams).
Two quick points about teams in the Montreal area competing for
attendance:
1) There is only one QMJHL team in the area (Laval)
2) Attendance at the Concordia Stingers women's hockey games is usually
spotty at best anyways. Actually, the same goes for the men's games, too.
I'm sorry, but I don't believe many people would go to games in
Pierrefonds. It's all the way out in the suburbs, and people don't attend
games in the city proper right now.
You'd need a bunch of marquee names to draw people. I don't think there
are enough Manon Rheaumes to draw decent amounts of people.
When only friends, family and one minor hockey team show up to watch
Concordia play New Hampshire, you have to wonder.
But I'd love to be proven wrong.
Bryan Parker
Sports Editor, The Concordian
(Concordia's Top Source for Stinger Sports)
email@hidden
http://alcor.concordia.ca/~b_parker/index.html
"All of his life has he looked away, to the horizon, the future... never his
mind on where he was! what he was doing!"
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:52:03 -0500
From: "Marc J. Ouellette"
Subject: Re: Evaluating Team Canada players
In Women-in-Hockey, Volume 01 # 125, email@hidden wrote:
> - - Firstly, I'd hate to make any assertion that a large number of
> people on
> this list are from Ontario. In fact, I wouldn't dare to make any such
> assertion without having the subscription list in my hands, as well as a
> geographical survey that I doubt the List Moms have. The number of writers
> who chime in asking about or discussing women's hockey in locales
> all over the continent tend to suggest otherwise.
The point I was trying to make was that many people on this mailing list (as
opposed to almost noone) have seen some or all of the National Team players
enough over the last couple of years to form a reasonable opinion of the
relative merits of each player. How big is ``many''? I'm not sure....
perhaps somewhere in between ``quite a few'' and ``almost noone''. ``Many''
is not restricted only to the Ontario subscribers who may have seen some of
these players play in the COWHL, but to other subscribers as well who have
seen them in international competitions. (e.g., Three Nations Cup in 1996,
1997, WWC in 1994, and 1997, Pacific Rim, other exhibition games etc.)
Anyway, let's just agree that some people out there have had ample chances
to form their own opinion of the players, and that their contribution to
this forum has made for an interesting debate. Whether or not we agree with
their opinion (or whether or not they share the same opinion) is fair
enough. After all, go to any forum discussing, say, the Montreal Canadiens,
and you'll find wildly differing opinions on players even if all involved
have seen every single game the Canadiens have played over the last two
years!
> On the contrary. Athletic performance is athletic performance. My
> point about Bird was simply that he was, at the time of the 1992
> Olympics, a once- supremely great player reduced by wear and tear to
> flashes of his old brilliance, capable of putting up a marvellous game
> once in a while. How this circumstance is not relevant to hockey I
> don't know ... for it's relevant not only to hockey but to EVERY
> sport.
It's only relevant in the sense that some athletes are washed up in their
mid-thirties, but some are not. Statistically, one cannot claim that
Angela James is washed up.
To recap, which of the following six forwards, statistically, could one call
washed up?
Rank in Scoring
National Team COWHL
+-------------------+ +-------------------------+
Player | 1997/98 1997 1994 | | 1996/97 1995/96 1993/94 |
+-------------------+ +-------------------------+
A | 1 10 - | | 4 - - |
B | 4 11 14 | | 2 7 4 |
C | 7 5 2 | | 7 1 1 |
D | 9 5 - | | 22 32 25 |
E | 12 5 - | | 3 6 - |
F | 12 3 - | | 37 60 - |
+-------------------+ +-------------------------+
Angela James is player "C". In the COWHL, she was 7th, 1st, and 1st in
scoring since 1994, and in international play, she was 7th, 5th, and 2nd in
scoring on Team Canada (out of 18), since 1994. These are relevant numbers
because they compare James to her peers. Using these numbers, one cannot
conclude that relative to her peers, James was washed up in 1997. She
appears to be, offensively, at least ``middle of the pack.'' The point
which I was trying to make was that contrary to Larry Bird, James does not
appear to be at the end of her career, at least not if one compares her
statistics to that of her peers. Fortunately for James, she has enjoyed a
relatively injury free career. As a matter of fact, she was, even at the
time of being cut from Team Canada, in the top third of players in terms of
offensive production, and 6th among forwards.
It's unfortunately impossible to measure a player's true worth to a team,
both offensively and defensively. Statistics do not tell the whole story,
but on the other hand, they do provide some objective insight. Until the
time when ``sabermetrics'' for hockey are developped, until we can measure a
player's worth in terms of offense and defense, we'll be forced to exchange
opinions and rely on the stats that we do have. For now, I'll just go back
to enjoying watching hockey in the COWHL, and at the Olympics :-)
Marc
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