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Women-in-Hockey Digest Wednesday, February 11 1998 Volume 01 : Number 126
In this issue:
Re: Women's Pro Hockey
Re: Luge and Hockey/ TV Coverage
Re: Women's Pro Hockey
Japanese Womens Team
Re: Japanese Womens Team
Re: Women's Pro Hockey
Re: CBC Coverage of Women's Hockey
Re: Japanese Womens Team
Re: competition -Reply
Re: Luge and Hockey/ TV Coverage
Re: competition
Promoting women;s hockey
fake ice?!
a little bit of everything
Re: Shannon Miller Discussion
Re: Japanese Womens Team
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 07:31:16 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's Pro Hockey
I hate to say this, but all the press releases in the world are meaningless
unless and until the teams actually take the ice and the league lasts a
season. The ABL and the WNBA are successful, yes, but there were at least a
half dozen attempts at a women's pro basketball league in the 70's, 80's and
90's before the ABL succeeded.
Also, nowhere in this press release does it say *how many inquiries* the
organizers have received. This could mean anywhere from two dozen to two
hundred - and it completely ignores the fact that *every* sports team in a new
town has a waiting list for tickets. This by no means that there's a vast
public appetite for women's hockey in Bridgeport, Hooksett, Billerica, etc.,
simply that the organizers know how to write a good press release.
Other problems:
There's a rival pro league trying to start up in Canada that has signed most
of the Canadian national team, which automatically reduces the potential
player pool and strips out several of the best known players (Hayley
Wickenheiser and possibly the best known female player of all, Manon Rheaume);
Travel costs to the Quebec team are going to sink all the other teams
(Pierrefonds is at least eight hours by bus from every other team in the
league, and I cannot believe they'll have the money for air travel);
And many of the areas chosen for teams are already saturated with hockey teams
(Billerica will be up against the Worcester Ice Cats; Hooksett against the
Lowell Lock Monsters, UNH Wildcats, and several other college teams;
Bridgeport the Beast of New Haven; and Pierrefonds the Montreal Canadians and
a half dozen QMJHL teams).
I will be delighted if this league makes it off the ground, but I'm not
holding my breath. I've seen too many undercapitalized minor leagues hold
press conferences, take ticket money, announce sites and logos, and fold
before playing a single game. Anyone remember the Liberty Basketball League?
Lisa Evans
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 07:38:22 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Luge and Hockey/ TV Coverage
First, CBS won't be covering another Olympics until at least 2010, for which I
am devoutly grateful. The cut away from Beethoven's 9th to a pointless
interview with Michelle Kwan really ticked me off.
Second, the attempted Olympic pay per view was the infamous Olympics
Triplecast, organized by Cablevision. A friend of mine worked for Cablevision
at the time, and was predicting it would fail a good year before the Games.
It was badly designed, poorly marketed, and missed the point that people
wanted an alternative *during primetime*, not during the day when everyone was
at work. According to Todd, Cablevision so little money on the Triplecast
that they literally were giving it to employees and Long Island Cablevision
subscribers.....
Lisa Evans
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:17:54 -0500
From: Cindy Goodman
Subject: Re: Women's Pro Hockey
Do you hope to have a team in the Toronto area?
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Date: 11 Feb 1998 07:59:09 U
From: "Olson, Lynn"
Subject: Japanese Womens Team
I want to respond to the comment regarding Japan only having a short time to prepare for the Olympics. Please note that Japan was a participant in the first International Ice Hockey Federal World Championship in 1990 in Canada. They had a team prior to that in the 1987 invitational world tournament in Canada. They have had 8 years or longer to prepare a team for the Olympics. The country appears to do well in other sports (speed skating), so there is no excuse not to be prepared for the Olympics in that length of time for women's ice hockey. They have known since 1993 that they would be a participant in the sport when they accepted the IOC offer to host women's ice hockey as an Olympic sport. Norway was also given the chance to host the first Olympic women's hockey games, but turned the offer down.
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:22:05 -0500
From: Cindy Goodman
Subject: Re: Japanese Womens Team
I realize they have 8 years to prepare. But if you think you can have a contender at this level in 8 years you are mistaken. The Canadians and even the Americans have a huge advantage in that area. As do the Finns or any other European country. 8 years is nothing. It takes much longer to be fit for that level.
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:43:49 -0500
From: Louise
Subject: Re: Women's Pro Hockey
email@hidden wrote:
>As president of Women's Professional Hockey League, Inc., I feel it is
>important I clear up a few misconceptions that are out there about our
company
>and our mission.
Fine. I'll interject some perspective about the Canadian situation.
>We are not trying to be a WNHL. The model we have used falls more along the
>lines of men's major junior hockey in Canada.
It might also be useful to consider how lower-level (Prov. A, B, C) men's
junior teams work. In particular, most players on Major Junior A teams are
imported to the cities they play in, so the teams have to pay them enough
for their living expenses away from their families, and keep them so busy
playing hockey that they can't get into trouble. (That it's also difficult
for them to progress in high school or post-secondary education is a side
effect.) In contrast, players on lower level teams (such as the Junior C
team in my home town) have many local players, who live with their families
and who are able to maintain outside schooling or employment.
>Unfortunately, no such program
>exisits for the world's finest women's hockey players. As a result, many
have
>indicated that after the Olympics, they will retire.
On the other hand, one Canadian player over 30 who was cut in the last
round of cuts, is already back with her club team and preparing for
Nationals. Maybe "retire from trying out for and training with the
National team program" is different from "retire from elite club hockey".
If you're not one of
>the fortunate 20 to make the national squad in your country, where do you go
>to compete after college?
Back to the North York Aeros, Mississauga Chiefs, Jofa-Titan, Ferland 4
Glaces, Edmonton Chimos, Maritimes Sports Blades ... Most of the
development of female hockey players in Canada occurs on community club
teams, not at high schools or universities. ("College" means something
different in Canada than it does in the USA - community colleges in Ontario
don't have a women's hockey league any more, I don't think, although in
Quebec there are one or two CEGEP's playing exhibition games with the
university teams.) About half the current Canadian team hasn't ever
played on a university varsity team. (Among the ones who did play for
Canadian university teams, I don't think there are any who didn't play for
a club team at the same time.) I suspect that might go a long way toward
explaining why the American players on their national teams have always
been, on average, younger than the Canadian players.
That's not to say that the Canadian elite club teams and leagues are ideal
right now - I think the Central Ontario Women's Hockey League would be much
improved if there were some agreement to balance teams (by a draft, for
example) and if there were more centralized publicity and marketing. I
imagine your new league would probably incorporate both these ideas. I
also think that the time has come to examine the effect of sending club
teams to Nationals on the balance in the club leagues and the development
of those leagues.
Louise
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:56:41 -0500
From: Louise
Subject: Re: CBC Coverage of Women's Hockey
At 07:17 PM 2/10/98 -0500, Marc J. Ouellette wrote:
>On the other hand, I have to commend SRC (that's CBC's french language
>counterpart, available throughout Canada) on doing an excellent job covering
>women's hockey.
Yes, the English CBC hadn't yet shown any of the Canada-Sweden game by 4
hours after it started except clips of the first two goals, giving
exhaustive coverage to the press conferences and surrounding speculations
about Ross Rebagliati. There weren't even any score updates on the
screen-frame. On my other TV (actually I'm getting a third one set up on
the weekend; then I'll be able to check CBS as well...), the SRC didn't
seem to show the press conferences at all. During the hockey game they
were showing live moguls and super-giant slalom. Later they showed the
first period completely; then I went to bed and haven't watched my tape
yet, so I don't know whether they showed the rest of the game at all.
I do think that Mark Lee and Margot Page are doing a good job when we get
to hear them, though. No "cuteness" or selfconsciousness about using
"defenceperson" as in TSN coverage of previous Nationals and Worlds, not so
much "heartwarming personal detail" that it detracts from the action, and
they're not holding back from mentioning potential problems like
officiating quality or coaching strategies. Many times over the years,
I've seen and shown those 1990 tapes with Howie Meeker and Donna-Lynn Rosa,
and they get more annoying every time.
Louise
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:07:44 -0500
From: Louise
Subject: Re: Japanese Womens Team
Olson, Lynn wrote:
>I want to respond to the comment regarding Japan only having a short time
to prepare for the Olympics. >Please note that Japan was a participant in
the first International Ice Hockey [Federation] World
>Championship in 1990 in Canada. They had a team prior to that in the 1987
invitational world
>tournament in Canada. They have had 8 years or longer to prepare a team
for the Olympics.
I've been wondering about the nature of the preparation for Sweden,
Finland, and Japan. We know that Canada and the USA have had centralized
training for several months, and that China has had a full-time centralized
program for years. Yet it's clear to me that both Finland and Japan have
improved a great deal as well - haven't yet seen enough of Sweden to tell,
although their scores suggest it. Were the players from Japan, Finland,
and Sweden playing on their own club teams at the beginning of this year?
What kind of training did they do to achieve their improvement? Whom did
they play against in their training?
Has anyone seen a roster for this year's Team Japan? I'm wondering whether
any of the players or team staff from 1987 and 1990 are involved with this
year's team.
Louise
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:44:44 -0500
From: "Joanna L. Dumas"
Subject: Re: competition -Reply
I think we all have to keep in perspective why they advertise the
Olympics at all - to make money. Obviously advertisers are going to
spend more money on figure skating events because more people are
going to watch them (I'm not saying it's right or fair, just the way it is) so
that is what CBS is going to show. I think they've done an okay job of
promoting women's hockey, not great, but okay considering it's not a
"proven" sport yet in that people want to watch it. Maybe if a lot of
people watch the women's hockey games and it gets high ratings more
advertisers will want to advertise and it will get more coverage in future
Games. I know it's sort of a Catch-22 because people can't really watch
it at 3 am, but the people at CBS aren't about to give their prime time to
women's hockey in the hopes that it will get a large audience (which it
very well might), when they KNOW that figure skating is the #1 draw for
the general public.
>>> Chuq Von Rospach 02/11/98 12:05am
>>>
At 7:50 PM -0800 2/10/98, email@hidden wrote:
> I find some fault with this observation. I have felt that CBS has
>been doing a pretty good job
> of covering most of the events at the Olympics and giving fairly
>balanced coverage.
Well, no offense, but you're the first person *I've* talked to who's
even remotely happy with CBS's coverage. But tastes differ, and that's
okay.
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:19:46 -0800
From: Laurie Sefton
Subject: Re: Luge and Hockey/ TV Coverage
re: TripleCast
1. Don't charge more than what is charged for NFL Sunday ticket (satellite
dish package). The NFL knows their marketing and how much people will be
willing to pay for a sports package.
2. The big difference between when the TripleCast was first offered, and if
it gets offered at the next Olympics will be about 3 million mini dishes. I
remember that at the time of the TripleCast, I couldn't have gotten it off
of the local cable system even if I had wanted the product. With so many
households using DSS (and BUDs--we're still a couple of million dishes in
households), people *can* get the package if they're so inclined.
I'd be surprised if someone doesn't offer such a package in the next couple
of Olympics. If it comprises raw feeds from the events, with the minimum
announcing that I need to have to know what's going on if I wander in after
it's started, great. If they're going to toss in even more trash
journalism, I'd have to seriously think about it. Time for NBC (US) to look
at this.
So, what's the situation in Europe? SkyTV with additional local feeds?
Laurie
ps: Right now my main feed is CBC, and I have the capability of taping off
on an alternate feed while I watch the first (or watch the tape). I know
I'm definitely in the minority for sheer amount of techie stuff.
email@hidden
"All the best defencemen have goalie eyes."
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:26:05 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: competition
I think that we should be supportive of the "less popular" sports that get
coverage. Just because you're not interested in the luge doesn't mean that no
one is. Maybe it is a little odd, but it takes just as much training and
perseverance as women's hockey does. Just as you might say, "Who would want to
do that?" the lugers could turn around and say, "Why would women want to play
hockey?"
I think that every sport should ge equal coverage, not the biased coverage and
stories we get from the USA networks. They should just tape it all and tell us
when they're going to show what so we can either watch or tape it.
Anyway, I think TNT is showing some women's hockey today (wednesday, feb 11)
betwen 1pm and 6pm ET.
Jenn
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:55:47 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Promoting women;s hockey
In a message dated 98-02-11 11:15:34 EST, email@hidden writes:
<< I think they've done an okay job of
promoting women's hockey, not great, but okay considering it's not a
"proven" sport yet in that people want to watch it. >>
Quite a few people at work have been watching what little coverage of the
women;s hockey there has been. Eveyrone keeps asking me :"did you watch the
women;s hockey? did ya ? huh? I saw it. It was pretty cool." etc.
Only thing is, I am not sure if they are watching because of CBS's wonderful
(NOT!!) coverage of the event, or becuase they know I play, they are curious
about women;s hockey, and it is much easier to go home, open a bag of chips,
an click the remote control to wtach women;s hockey than it is to sit outside
and freeze your butt off for 1/2 hrs to watch!!
Jill
# 77 Brooklyn Blades
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:11:14 -0500
From: email@hidden
Subject: fake ice?!
Hi there folks.
I'm wondering if anyone has had any experience with high-density
polyethylene (or similar) "fake" ice... Any thoughts? I'm looking for
something to use at the cottage when I get bored of your typical "summer"
activities. Feel free to reply directly if you want.
Thanks.
Heather.
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:10:57 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: a little bit of everything
First thing, isn't there already a WPHL (women pro hockey league) in its 2nd
season? because I thought I heard about it a couple times. Second, about the
referring Cammi as Tony's sister, I've always referred to Tony as Cammi's
brother, but they're both pretty cool. Third, I have nothing against figure
skating, its just old after being on all winter long and then 10 nights of it
on the olympics. Fourth, I think TNT's coverage is pretty good, except they
keep cutting off the end of the games if nobody scores. Like the US Finland
one, I caught the 2nd period right as I got home from school, and watched the
3rd period, oh and the little story about Cammi was pretty cool. Still have to
watch the 1st period, kinda pointless after you've seen the rest of the game,
but hey, its hockey. It was a pretty good game, and I won't ruin it for the
people who haven't watched it yet, but its pretty cool in the 2nd period,
involving the crossbar (thats all I'll say, you'll know what I mean once you
watch, if you haven't already) I haven't watched much of the CBS coverage,
just the opening ceremonies, and the womens hockey previews.
I can't remember what else I was going to write, of course after reading
messages off of this list for half an hour, I'm not surprised I forgot. Oh yea
I remember.
Fifth, you'll probably think I'm insane or something, but I'm thinking
about actually watching the gold medal game, its starts at 4 here, and I
normally get up at 5:30 for school anyways, so all I'd really have to do is go
to bed an hour earlier. I'd like to tape it, without all the commercials in
between. Too bad the game wasn't one day earlier, I don't have school that day
so it really wouldn't matter when I got up.
well I can't remember the last thing I was going to put in here so I guess
this is it, for this e-mail anyways. oh wait, by any chance, does anybody know
who the starting goalie for the US mens team is going to be?
Jennie
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:28:52 -0600
From: "Erin and Rich Malinowski"
Subject: Re: Shannon Miller Discussion
>And the *other* hope is that we finally get to the point where Cammi
>Granato becomes known as Cammi, not Cammi-Tony's-Sister. Of course, as
>far as most of the country is concerned, two years ago, they hadn't
>even heard of her, so we're making positive steps.
>
Actually, most of the players on my team talk about them as Cammi and
"Cammi's brother".
Erin Malinowski
Chicago Rebels
(currently skating out of SIA and -- DGIA -- the rink Cammi played her
youth hockey at!)
email@hidden
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 20:02:28 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Japanese Womens Team
Hi Luise !
The rooster team Japan (at Germany 02.01.1998)
goalie : Yuka Oda (1 Peregrine), Haruka Watanabe (2 Kokudo)
defence : Yoko Kondo (10 Kokudo), Rie Sato (3 Peregrine), Akiko Hatanaka (4
Peregrine), Chie Sakuma (5 Peregrine), Maiko Obikawa (6 Peregrine), Naho
Yoshimi (8 Kokudo), Yuiko Satomi (9 Fighters)
forwards : Satomi Ono (7 Peregrine), Yuki Togawa (17 Bears), Miharu Araki (15
Peregrine), Ayumi Sato (25 Kokudo), Mitsuko Igarashi (13 Peregrine), Yukari
Ohno (21 Kokudo), Masako Sato (11 Peregrine), Aki Sdo (16 Bears), Shiho
Fujiwara (14 Peregrine), Aki Tsuchida (18 Bears), Akiko Naka (19 Fighters)
Team Leader: Tsutomu Kawabuchi, Head Coach: Toru Itabashi, Coach: Wally Kozak
(CAN), Takayuki Hattanda, Shunji Tanaka
bye Martin
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