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Women-in-Hockey Digest Tuesday, February 10 1998 Volume 01 : Number 123
In this issue:
Language differences
Re: 23-0 ???? I dont think so !
Re: competition
Re: competition
Re: Olympic Hockey
Re: competition
Re: 23-0 ???? I dont think so !
Re: competition
Re: competition
Las Vegas Tourney Results?
Re: 23-0 ???? I dont think so !
Re: 23-0 ???? I dont think so !
Re: Las Vegas Tourney Results?
Shannon Miller Discussion
US coverage of the Olympic Womens Hockey
Re: competition
Re: competition
Women's Pro Hockey
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:49:45 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Language differences
This "Shannon Miller is a hooker chaser" business (true if she's on the vice
squad, or a very, very small force) reminds me of two famous incidents from
the 70's when American companies tried to translate their product names into
other languages.
The first was the failure of the Chevy Nova in South American. No one
bothered to tell the marketing department that "no vas" (pronounced "nova")
means "it doesn't go" in Spanish - hardly what you want in a car! The name
was changed to something Spanish and sales took off, but you'd think they'd
check first.
The second was when Coca-Cola decided to sell its soft drinks in China. This
was tougher, since Chinese uses pictographs instead of letters, but eventually
they found a pictographic sequence that supposedly meant "this drink will
bring you prosperity." It was only after the billboards had gone up that they
discovered that the more common meaning of that sequence means "bite the wax
tadpole."
Too bad they didn't try to market Coke in little wax bottles shaped like
tadpoles.....
Lisa Evans
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:57:20 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: 23-0 ???? I dont think so !
Re: the Canadians smoking everyone when hockey was first added to the
Olympics:
That was 1920, when sports were added under very different rules and
standards. It's a completely different situation today, and comparing the
state of women's hockey (three strong national programs and play in several
other countries) today with that of men's hockey (one strong national program
and play confined almost exclusively to one country) is not a useful
comparison.
Lisa Evans
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:15:57 -0500
From: Cindy Goodman
Subject: Re: competition
There is plenty of good competition between US/Canada/Finland. But CBS still won't show a game in it's entirety until the gold medal game. Sometimes the better games are the ones to qualify for the finals. Yes it's too bad there aren't more competitive countries right now, but with this kind of exposure there will most certainly be at the next one. At this level women's hockey is just getting going, everyone needs to be patient. My only problem with the Olympic rules is having the host country be allowed to compete soley because they are the host. If they are not good enough to compete they shouldn't be there. The Japanese have a ways to go before they are ready for this Pool. Perhaps one of the other countries would have been more qualified? Or without the Japan team would we have had only the other 5? Anyway it is getting there, we just need to be patient. By the way, CBC hasn't exactly kept their promise to show all the women's games. They didn't show the China game in whol!
e, just pieces here and there. So don't be too hard on CBS because at least they didn't promise to show all the games in whole.
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:27:11 -0400
From: Debbie Minden
Subject: Re: competition
>Do they really think the *masses* give a rats tail about the luge??
I think luge got big when Pierre Trudeau took it up. Made it really sexy.
Also, it proves that the US is saner than most. What crazy person would
want to slide down an ice tube on a garbage can lid?
>3) Even non-hockey fans (I asked a lot at work yday) would rather watch hockey
>(esp women;s hockey - becaause they have never seen it before). It is *new*
>to them. I have seen enough luge runs in my 32 years (and approx 7 or 8
>winter games) to last the rest of my life. CBS's Hockey coverage is PITIFUL
>at best!!
People who I have never met are now stopping my daughter in her ice hockey
jacket. They are interested!! This could be a programming faux pas for
CBS to give more time to luge than hockey. Too bad we have to suffer.
Debbie
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Debbie Minden
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 11:14:03 EST
From: email@hidden (C. Esther Jesurum)
Subject: Re: Olympic Hockey
TNT will show other team USA games.
Sometime between 1 and 6pm on Wed and Thursday they will show US v
Finland and US v Japan respectively.
- --Esther
#6 MIT
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 11:56:35 -0500
From: email@hidden (Jules Hammer)
Subject: Re: competition
Cindy Goodman writes:
> My only problem with the Olympic rules is having the host country be
allowed to compete soley because they are the host. If they are not good
enough to compete they shouldn't be there. The Japanese have a ways to go
before they are ready for this Pool.
I, for one, have tremendous respect and admiration for the Japanese women.
They were extended the invitation to compete in Women's Ice Hockey, and they
put a team together despite their lack of hockey knowledge and skill. They
even imported a Canadian coach in hopes of "doing it right." One needs to
remember that Japanese women are physically smaller, and more POLITE than
the rest of the women hockey players. The coach actually had to convince
them that hitting/checking another player (especially an "elder") was
O.K.!!! One of the players is from the U.S.(can't remember her name) but
was born in Japan, so she went to play. She is the only one on that team
with any experience at the collegiate level.
The Japanese team's sportsmanship and respect for their opponent could also
teach the rest of us a thing or two. I'm not saying Teams USA and Canada
should bow to each other at the end of the game, but watching the sour faces
and sulking antics of sore losers is not something I am looking forward to
in the gold medal round.
Team Japan also has another agenda: for them to beat Team China would be
tantamount to the U.S. beating Canada in the World Cup. (China hasn't done
too poorly for a team that learned to play by watching NHL videotapes, either.)
> At this level women's hockey is just getting going, everyone needs to be
patient.
This was the line which preceded your sentences above..... I couldn't agree
more.
Jules
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:23:34 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: 23-0 ???? I dont think so !
<< ask yourself how Kazahkstan would do against the U.S. or Canadian teams >>
Using the World Junior Championships as a guide, Canada has nothing about
which to be complacent in regards to Kazakhstan ...
- - Bevan
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:32:22 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: competition
<< Do they really think the *masses* give a rats tail about the luge?? >>
Goddess, I sure as hell don't, and firmly believe that anyone who plummets
down an ice chute at 80 mph feet first is a candidate for a padded cell (this
from an ex-maskless goalie. I'm one to talk).
But perhaps that's the attraction -- it looks dangerous, and so maybe the
networks figure on getting the auto racing crowd to watch in hopes of seeing a
luger shoot the chute and go pinwheeling into the spectators.
The second possible reason is inertia. They've ALWAYS shown luge, so they
show luge. They've never shown biathalon (another sport at which the US has
traditionally been rotten), so they never show biathalon. Curling looks weird
to the programmers, so they'll restrict coverage to a fluff piece with doughty
gaffers with Scottish accents and leave it at that. Frankly, I'm sure CBS
would give massive coverage to curling if there was a Jamaican team ...
- - Bevan
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:47:15 -0500
From: Cindy Goodman
Subject: Re: competition
Hold on now, I never said I didn't have respect and admiration for the Japanese players effort in the game. Ofcourse you have to respect their determination and sportsmanship in the face of such a formidable task. But let's keep this in perspective. My point in what I was saying was that they are not ready to play these teams at this time. I'm talking about skill level. Not sportsmanship. Which by the way, I think it is very dangerous to generalize and say Americans and Canadians could learn from them about sportsmanship. I see most of these athletes as having just fine manners and sportsmanship during these games. Not everyone will pass the test but most do. Don't confuse aggressive play and body contact as bad manners. That's what the game is all about.
And technically yes the Japanese team was "invited" into the tournament but that is because those are the Olympic rules about this. They don't have to qualify they are the host team. I think they did a pretty good job considering how fast they had to prepare. But they could have been hurt trying to stop the obviously faster bigger and more skilled Canadians and Americans. I can't remember how many players I saw flying into the boards being tossed aside like a rag doll.
Anyway they are definately a team of the future. Not the present.
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:53:12 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Las Vegas Tourney Results?
Does anyone know the results from the Championship Games on Sunday at the 1998
Women's Hockey Classic in Las Vegas? I am particularly interested in the
intermediate division.
Thanks for your help,
Jen
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:59:27 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: 23-0 ???? I dont think so !
I heard that Shannon Miller was gay.Is she??
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:40:55 -0800
From: Sally Silva
Subject: Re: 23-0 ???? I dont think so !
Can we move on from Shannon Miller. I don't particularly want
to see this type of emails. Let's keep this strictly about
hockey.
>To: email@hidden, email@hidden
>Subject: Re: 23-0 ???? I dont think so !
>Sender: email@hidden
>I heard that Shannon Miller was gay.Is she??
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Sally Silva
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:59:12 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Las Vegas Tourney Results?
In a message dated 98-02-10 16:26:41 EST, you write:
>email@hidden
I watched the Intermediate Championship game between San Jose Avalanche and
the Phoenix Ice Chalet Lady Kings. I think the final score was 9-1. It was a
clean game, with good penalties called on both sides, but I think the San Jose
girls were run over by a combination of height, poundage (double entendre
intended...LOL) of the Lady Kings and sheer tenacity on the part of one of the
stars of the the tournament, Sherri Jones. Jones gave 110% in every corner in
the rink, and made scoring opportunities for herself and teammates.
Debbie Fullerton motored up the ice and showed deft stick handling thru the
San Jose defense for a one on one with the goalie which she won, late in the
third period.
San Jose might have had a better chance if they hadn't had to battle it out
with the California Polar Cats that same morning (7:30 a.m.), and then face
Phoenix at noon. Perhaps the tournament could be changed next year to have
only the final games on Sunday?
Danelle Winn scored San Jose's lone goal, late in the game. Again, if she
hadn't had to battle in a game earlier that day, the total might have been
higher. She had a romp scoring 3 or 4 goals on my team (Houston Sirens) the
day before. The score doesn't do justice to how hard the San Jose bunch
fought. They never looked like they had given up, even late in the 3rd period.
Watching, I still had the impression that they could get a few quick
breakaways and turn it around.
All in all, it was an exciting game and shows me what I need to work on before
the next tournament.
Speaking of tournaments ....Anyone in San Jose going to invite the Lady
Kings when you host your tournament in ?? August??
Terry Pendergast
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:10:53 -0800
From: Tammie Weigl
Subject: Shannon Miller Discussion
Hey mySally Silva wrote:
>
> Can we move on from Shannon Miller. I don't particularly want
> to see this type of emails. Let's keep this strictly about
> hockey.
>
My fervent hope is that one day, to paraphrase a thought from Martin
Luther King, that we won't judge people by the color of their skin,
their faith or their sexual preference...
Rant on Miller, pro and con as a coach but lets find something else to
discuss other than her personal sexual preferences.
Tammie
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:10:27 -0600
From: Meg Ewen
Subject: US coverage of the Olympic Womens Hockey
The coverage of the women's games in the US has actually been pretty
good. TNT is showing the US games Mon US vs Sweden, Wed US vs Finland
and Thur US vs Japan between noon and 5pm CST. The problem is between
periods they switch off to curling, CCsking etc. So if you tape it you
can just FF back to the game. CBS is a little more spotty, but
surprisingly decent Fri US vs Canada 1:30 to 5pm CST and Tues 17th Gold
medal game 6-8am CST. Again, tape it so you can FF around the non
hockey stuff. Also the Chicago Tribune has had A LOT of press in the
sports section on the US team, mainly because Cammi is from Chicago.
So considering how crappy NBC was with the Summer Olympics, I quite
pleased with CBS/TNTs coverage.
Meg #4 Phantoms
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:33:03 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: competition
I like watching luge, it looks fun. I'd never try it, bobsledding maybe, but
not luge. TNT covered some biathalon, I've been taping all the TNT coverage
because of school, but TNT's coverage is a lot better than CBS's. My complaint
is the figure skating, no offense to it or anything but CBS is covering it 10
nights of the 17, not including TNT's coverage. You can see figure skating on
about 5 different channels during winter in the first place. It just gets a
little old. And then theres the slalom skiing and snowboarding, thats ok to
watch, but after about 4 or 5 runs, youve pretty much seen it all. well unless
someone crashes or something. They should show more hockey, I mean hockey is
different every game, theres no real plan to it. Like the skiing and other
things, they go around the flags and cross the finish almost every single
time.
one more thing, did the womens hockey get a day off today? I noticed TNT
didn't give and of the womens scores.
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:40:02 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: competition
Absolutely; sportsmanship and skill are not the same ... and
from what little I've been allowed to see so far, there's nothing to suggest
that the US and Canadian teams are filled with thugs and scoundrels.
One thing that DID frost me, tangentially speaking, is when Darren Pang - an
experienced hockey commentator who should know better - opined that the
women's game should never allow checking because of the size disparity between
national sides. Excuse me? Let's leave aside that fellows like
Paul Kariya and Theo Fleury have to play in the same league with fellows like
Hal Gill, who's over a foot taller than either, a difference I haven't yet
seen in Aquawing. Let's even leave aside that Pang himself made the NHL All-
Rookie team ten years ago as one of the smallest goalies of the post-war era,
or that one of the IHL's perennial stars is a fellow who's 5'3".
Like most other sports, hockey doesn't work with handicaps. You don't tell
Rebecca Lobo or Kara Wolters to play on their knees because most women
basketball players aren't 6' 7". You don't tell Tara Lipinski she can't
compete in the Olympics because her tiny size gives her a significant
advantage in jumping. Part and parcel of athletic competition is that
particular body sizes and types usually confer advantages, and it's silly to
legislate sports in a misguided attempt to level the playing field.
- - Bevan
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:46:55 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Women's Pro Hockey
For Immendiate Release
February 7, 1998
WOMEN'S PROFESSIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE ANNOUNCES WAITING LISTS FOR POTENTIAL
TICKET BUYERS
Overwhelming Response Prompts Short Term Action
Amherst, NH - Following its announcement of five franchise site finalists,
Women's Professional Hockey League, Inc. is preparing to open waiting lists
for those interested in purchasing tickets for games scheduled to begin next
fall.
On Monday, February 2nd, Women's Professional Hockey League, Inc. announced
that it had arrived at five finalists in the franchise site selection process
for its four teams: Hookset, NH; Marlboro, MA; Billerica, MA; Pierrefonds,
QUE; Bridgeport, CT. The league is scheduled to commence its inaugural season
on November 1st.
The league is preparing to accept names of those interested in reserving a
place on ticket waiting lists for each of the five sites. "In response to the
announcement, we have received numerous inquiries as to the ticketing process.
Our intent was, and remains, to formally begin ticketing proceedures in
conjunction with the final announcement of site locations," said league
president Edward Saunders. "In the interim, we have devised a plan that will
fairly allow those who want to reserve a place in line to do so now."
Because the facilities under consideration are of limited capacity, league
officials want to be sure that ticket distribution proceedures are fair and
equitable. As of Monday, February 9th, the league will accept names of those
interested in tickets. Names may be submitted with a self-addressed, stamped
postcard, requested franchise site, and number of tickets desired. Lists will
be composed based on the order in which correspondence is received.
Requests may be sent to:
Women's Professional Hockey League, Inc.
PO Box 226
Amherst, NH 03031
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