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Women-in-Hockey Digest Tuesday, February 10 1998 Volume 01 : Number 122
In this issue:
Re: Player Stats for the Olympics?
Re: Vancouver Province Article by Cam Cole
Re: 23-0 ???? I dont think so !
Olympic Hockey
Re: 23-0 ???? I dont think so !
Re: Women's Ice Hockey in Austin, TX.... for real!
Team USA T-Shirts
Re: competition
Re: Olympic Hockey
Re: competition
Re: 23-0 ???? I dont think so !
Re: 23-0 ???? I dont think so !
Re: competition
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 10:51:02 +0100
From: Nick Heim
Subject: Re: Player Stats for the Olympics?
At 17:19 08.02.98 -0400, you wrote:
>Does anybody know of a website that will be keeping track of the players'
>stats throughout the Olympics?
>
Hi Aaron
Go to: http://www.nagano.olympic.org/athlete/athlete_e.html
regards, Nick
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:16:13 -0400
From: Debbie Minden
Subject: Re: Vancouver Province Article by Cam Cole
Shannon Miller is a police officer from Calgary, on leave to coach team
Canada. She IS a hooker chaser. This is a wonderful example of
grammatical differences. My guess is that there is a problem with
translating idions back and forth between two languages. It should make
some linguist very happy.
Debbie
>Did anyone read this?
>
>I'm beginning to wonder if the "bad press is better than no press at all"
>still applies here.
>
>It referred to an article in a German paper that said quote "Shannon Miller
>is a hooker chaser from Calgary" It got worse from there.
>Did anyone read this?
>
>I'm beginning to wonder if the "bad press is better than no press at all"
>still applies here.
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 11:21:02 +0000
From: email@hidden (Lyle Anderson)
Subject: Re: 23-0 ???? I dont think so !
> When a team
> gets a power play, as the japanese did a couple of times, and not get
> it across the red line, there's a serious mismatch.
>
> I did appreciate the Japanese courage and hustle. They have a way to
> go, but they gave it a solid try.
Great comments. This is not too different from new attendees at the
various National tournaments getting blown out in their first visits.
It is part of the development process.
If you're doing good on the local front, how do you get past the
mismatch if you don't try? It is hard to determine what needs "fixing"
if you don't take a chance and learn what is "broke."
If weaker countries aren't allowed to participate, how do we have an
Olympic sport?
Lyle
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:58:25 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Olympic Hockey
Does anyone have the schedule for the USA womens olympic team games that are
to be televised on CBS?
Thanks
CW
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:28:46 -0500 (EST)
From: George Boccanfuso
Subject: Re: 23-0 ???? I dont think so !
On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Lyle Anderson wrote:
> > When a team
> > gets a power play, as the japanese did a couple of times, and not get
> > it across the red line, there's a serious mismatch.
> >
> > I did appreciate the Japanese courage and hustle. They have a way to
> > go, but they gave it a solid try.
>
> Great comments. This is not too different from new attendees at the
> various National tournaments getting blown out in their first visits.
> It is part of the development process.
>
> If you're doing good on the local front, how do you get past the
> mismatch if you don't try? It is hard to determine what needs "fixing"
> if you don't take a chance and learn what is "broke."
>
> If weaker countries aren't allowed to participate, how do we have an
> Olympic sport?
>
> Lyle
>
I had a feeling this type of discussion would start. Could everyone please
put this hockey into perspective. When hockey first becoame an Olympic
sport the Canadians won all 5 games and outscored their opponents 110-3. I
guess they should have eliminated hockey from the Olympics because of
those scores.
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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 19:00:21 -0600
From: widget
Subject: Re: Women's Ice Hockey in Austin, TX.... for real!
Jill,
>
> << Every other week or so we will scrimmage against the novice men. >>
>
> Just a bit of warning - their ego's may lead to them playing a bit rougher
> than you like. This could be a problem, and somewhat discouraging
> especially if the women are just starting out.
Just a note about our experience as a team that has no women to play and took
up playing men....
IT CAN WORK VERY SUCCESSFULLY! The Houston Harpies regularly play against men
and our games are considered great fun by all. We even get positive comments
from the refs! Our success is largely due to a group of men that wanted us to
succeed and who helped form a men's team made up of players with the right
attitude. Our men's team is named Dick's Friends in honor of the guy who
formed them. The team roster is by invitation only and enforces a strict
*no-jerks* policy. There is a waiting list to play on their roster the men
pay an unprecedented $20 for each 1 1/2 hour game. Because the guys are
bigger and faster, we keep their roster to 10 per game so they at least break
a sweat.
I think that alot of guys started out playing as a way to support us and as
a way to get some extra ice time. Over time, though they have found that they
get good value for their money - The games are organized, start on time and
have a paid ref; we always provide beer and sodas after the game and organize
periodic parties after games with food; the no-jerks policy guarantees
teammates that are encouraging to each other, pass the puck, and come off the
ice occasionally; and best of all - the women are appreciative of them.
As far as the physical nature of the games -
My hat's off to the guys for walking the fine line of playing at our level.
Our team has VERY diverse skill levels - the guys are really good about
letting more experienced/more physicall players play as hard as we can while
at the same time backing off from less experienced players. We joke that they
guys are only allowed to hit women who hit them first, but it is actually
pretty close to the truth. If you want to go into the corners and get knocked
around, they will usually oblige you - but they never get too rough with the
beginners who aren't too steady on their skates yet.
The guys usually kill us on the scoreboard, but we don't mind. Before games,
the guys ask if we would like them to work on anything. They will try to run
plays that will help us develop skills we are learning in practice. They
cheer for our goalie when she makes a great save and for us when we score.
They let us work on physical defence without retaliating when we get too rough
(although I do get *friendly* reminders).
It takes a really good group of guys - but it is possible to make playing
against men work.
Lea
#2 - Houston Harpies
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and deny it." --- Garrison Keillor
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:04:38, -0500
From: email@hidden (MR CURTIS W KOMAN)
Subject: Team USA T-Shirts
I know we've been over this before but I have a customer asking me
about getting one of the US women's olympic team t-shirts. Could
someone please forward the ordering information to me? Thanks.
P.S. If anyone is looking to sell their used equipment, we are
offering FREE classified ads on our web page which can be found at
www.kosports.com
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:27:59 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: competition
<< Could everyone please put this hockey into perspective. When hockey first
becoame an Olympic sport the Canadians won all 5 games and outscored their
opponents 110-3. I guess they should have eliminated hockey from the Olympics
because of those scores. >>
To be honest? Probably, until such time as there was actually a credible
degree of competition. The idea of the Olympics is not for the one or two
countries who are any good at a sport to win cheap gold medals on the backs of
all the others ... following that logic, let's have a boushkazi event and give
Kazakhstan something to brag over. I realize the Catch-22 logic involved with
not giving countries something for which to strive, but we can't be too upset
with CBS for not being hugely interested in broadcasting games without the
slightest vestige of competition.
- - Bevan
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:56:15 -0900 (AKST)
From: Syrilyn A Tong
Subject: Re: Olympic Hockey
On Mon, 9 Feb 1998 email@hidden wrote:
> Does anyone have the schedule for the USA womens olympic team games that are
> to be televised on CBS?
>
> Thanks
>
> CW
>
The only 2 other times they will be televising USA women's hockey is on
the 14th (vs Canada at 2:30 PM EST), and on the 17th (Gold medal game,
7:00 AM EST).
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:57:09 -0800
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: competition
At 6:27 PM -0800 2/9/98, email@hidden wrote:
> I realize the Catch-22 logic involved with
> not giving countries something for which to strive, but we can't be too upset
> with CBS for not being hugely interested in broadcasting games without the
> slightest vestige of competition.
Let's be blunt about it -- CBS is programming Olympic coverage to
attract primarily non sports fans. It's the same kind of marketing that
generates huge viewerships for the Superbowl. It's not so much the
Olympics, but the *event*. And in the U.S., a lot of that is the U.S.
people watching Americans win medals (I could get into the jingoistic
aspects, but I won't).
Me, I've got CBC on the dish going (right now, in fact, I'm watching
the Canadian women's curling play the Japanese women. So sue me, I'm a
curling fan) -- in Canada, the whole attitude is different. They're
showing the competition, not entertaining the masses.
Why? Well, one big reason -- in the U.S., the major sports are the
money sports: football, baseball, basketball. Hockey is at best a poor
cousin, but they're working on it. So anything that doesn't fit the
attiude of "major league or nothing" so much of the States has is
turned into either an "event", or sort of a freak show, as a way of
sending it to the masses. Because the masses win, by sheer dint of
numbers. They don't CARE what the *fans* think, because the *fans*
aren't what the advertisers want.
In Canada, there isn't nearly the emphasis on the money sports --
hockey is the real money sport, but Canada is into sports, not into
football/basketball/baseball. And a lot of the winter sports,
especially, are sports Canadians participate in and follow. So their
interests are different. They care about what happened, not simply
being entertained.
And it shows in the coverage. Just look at the number of hours CBS is
putting in vs. CBC. And how they use those hours.
And that's why I'm very glad to have a CBC feed. Because CBS is the
epitomy of what's wrong with U.S. television in general (and why I
never watch it...) -- you take something, and the you dumb it down so
that ti's palatable to the largest population you can, while at the
same time sanitizing it so it no longer has any real edge to it, so it
won't upset people. Bread and circuses, folks. And those of us who
really care about lions can scream all we want, because we're not the
target market anyway.
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:47:40 -0800
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: 23-0 ???? I dont think so !
At 3:21 AM -0800 2/9/98, Lyle Anderson wrote:
> Great comments. This is not too different from new attendees at the
> various National tournaments getting blown out in their first visits.
> It is part of the development process.
How do you know how far you have to go if you dno't try out the top
teams once in a while? The idea, last I looked, wasn't to build
yourself into a solid .500 team.....
> If weaker countries aren't allowed to participate, how do we have an
> Olympic sport?
The olympics aren't JUST about winning. If that ever changes, it'll
die. There might be 40 skiers on the downhill -- six or eight might be
trying to WIN (or medal) -- the rest are going for personal bests, and
still consider themselves successes....
Personally, I think everyone who MAKES the olympics is a winner. And
going to the games is the prize.
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:48:37 -0800
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: 23-0 ???? I dont think so !
At 1:28 PM -0800 2/9/98, George Boccanfuso wrote:
> When hockey first becoame an Olympic
> sport the Canadians won all 5 games and outscored their opponents 110-3. I
> guess they should have eliminated hockey from the Olympics because of
> those scores.
Anyone who thinks this is just a owmen's issue, go find a copy of the
Italy/Kazahkstan men's game from the olympics, and then ask yourself
how Kazahkstan would do against the U.S. or Canadian teams.
- --
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:47:01 EST
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: competition
In a message dated 98-02-10 02:15:11 EST, email@hidden writes:
<<
Why? Well, one big reason -- in the U.S., the major sports are the
money sports: football, baseball, basketball. Hockey is at best a poor
cousin, but they're working on it. So anything that doesn't fit the
attiude of "major league or nothing" so much of the States has is
turned into either an "event", or sort of a freak show, as a way of
sending it to the masses. Because the masses win, by sheer dint of
numbers. >>
Do they really think the *masses* give a rats tail about the luge?? 1) the US
Sucks at it 2) they managed to show every single luge run on sunday, nearly
putting 1/2 my hockey team to sleep when they showed all of approx. 15 minutes
of the women's ice hockey games.
3) Even non-hockey fans (I asked a lot at work yday) would rather watch hockey
(esp women;s hockey - becaause they have never seen it before). It is *new*
to them. I have seen enough luge runs in my 32 years (and approx 7 or 8
winter games) to last the rest of my life. CBS's Hockey coverage is PITIFUL
at best!!
Jill
#77 Brooklyn Blades
"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."
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