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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 575
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: High school girls' teams
by email@hidden
2) Re: no ice time
by email@hidden
3) Re: High school girls' teams
by email@hidden
4) Girls high school hockey
by email@hidden
5) RE: High school girls' teams
by "Ashmun, Julia D"
6) RE: High school girls' teams
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
7) College List
by email@hidden
8) Re: address's for college coaches =)
by Kelly Connelly
9) RE: High school girls' teams
by "Ashmun, Julia D"
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 21:18:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: High school girls' teams
Message-ID:
Cara - The only girls varsity high school hockey team in New York State is at
the Nichols School in Buffalo. My daughter is a right wing on the Nichols
team, and she also is a member of the Buffalo Bison Girls Midget team.
Bruce Koren
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 22:27:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: no ice time
Message-ID:
There is a team in Manhattan we play out of the Chelsea Piers. Our ice time
for the summer is 9:30 pm on Saturday. Right now it is an open practice, so
all are welcome.
Deborah
Chelsea Comets
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 23:02:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: High school girls' teams
Message-ID:
In a message dated 97-05-18 21:46:32 EDT, you write:
<<
Cara - The only girls varsity high school hockey team in New York State is
at
the Nichols School in Buffalo. My daughter is a right wing on the Nichols
team, and she also is a member of the Buffalo Bison Girls Midget team.
Bruce Koren
>>
If they are the only girl's team, who do they play against??
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 08:50:12 -0600
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Girls high school hockey
Message-ID:
I will share with you how Minnesota got girls hockey/ringette going in the
high schools. Perhaps this will help you. Also, if any of you wish to
e-mail me DIRECTLY, please do so. Just don't bore everyone on the list
with questions for me - unless you feel it is pertinent to everyone on the
list.
Minnesota was lucky in that at about the time the Minnesota State High
School League started writing up a Gender Equity manual (you can get a
copy if you like - costs $ - and I can supply the address) the ringette
group filed a lawsuit with a school district claiming it was not in
compliance with Title IX. Basically, the MSHSL Gender Equity manual
states that if there are 10 sports for boys, then the school pretty much
has to offer 10 sports for girls. HOWEVER, this doesn't hold fast and
true. They went further to state that danceline and cheerleading ARE
NOT SPORTS so schools cannot count them towards their number quota.
Another way to figure it (they state) is you take the number of female
students and the number of male students. These numbers also have to
jive. If 52% of the school is male and 48% is female, then number of
participates has to be 52-48% participation equally also. (or vice versa).
There is a formula for unduplicated and duplicated numbers (for where a
student plays two or more sports). I recently helped institute a girls
hockey team in a school that was equal in number of sport offerings but
was still still down in participation for girls. Mainly the school can be
down because of football. If a school offers football...LARGE numbers
usually go out for football...so the % of participation goes way up for the
boys then.
Another thing they looked at was if a school offers a winter ice sport for
boys and they weren't in compliance (%) they HAD TO offer a winter ice
sport for girls.
Another criteria is if a school pays for a sport for boys,...the same holds
true for the girls. INCLUDING ice times, gym times, coach
pay...EVERYTHING must be equal. I know of another school where the
boys got the after school practice times and the female coach after two
years said she wanted the after school practice times for her girls (they
were doing before school). She finally threatened to file suit with the
Minnesota Education Department...and they soon realized they had to
share their nice ice time, so last year the boys did the early morning ice
time.
This is sorta the nuts and bolts as to the determination of the MSHSL and
Title IX....and it's certainly working here! I think the last I heard is there is
going to be 80 girls high school teams next year. This doesn't include the
boom in girls teams at the youth level (not goverened by Title IX...but if an
association is tax exempt they still have to abide by offering the same
opportunities for girls as they do boys...or if they operate off of
charitable gambling they have to offer the same for boys and girls)
I do have some information sheets we did up that I can mail to you. Let
me know you name and address. I can also supply the MSHSL address
and find out the exact cost of the Gender Equity manual now if you like.
Dorene - e-mail me at: email@hidden
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 10:42:55 -0400
From: "Ashmun, Julia D"
To: "'email@hidden'"
Subject: RE: High school girls' teams
Message-ID:
In Massachusetts, boy's high school teams in some towns receive $15,000
to $25,000 and afternoor practices. Hockey is not the most expensive
sports. In most of the towns (or colleges), thier budgets are consumed
by Football among other sports.
> ----------
> From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie
> Minden[SMTP:email@hidden]
> Reply To: email@hidden
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 1997 6:08 PM
> To: Subscribers to
> Subject: Re: High school girls' teams
>
>
> Then did not
> >fund anything but the coach. The schools are still trying not to
> >fund the teams. it is getting better, but the money is still tight.
>
> Around here, the boys highschool hockey teams are not usually funded
> by the
> schools either.
> They have club rather than team status because of the incredible
> expense of
> hockey. We had to deny one team ice time because they did not pay in
> a
> timely fashion. It was just too much for them. As a parent and
> taxpayer,
> I think I can live with minimal support of hockey. No other sports
> are as
> expensive. Now I am going to duck so no one hurts me too badly.
>
> Debbie
>
>
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 14:11:03 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: email@hidden
Subject: RE: High school girls' teams
Message-ID:
>In Massachusetts, boy's high school teams in some towns receive $15,000
>to $25,000 and afternoor practices. Hockey is not the most expensive
>sports. In most of the towns (or colleges), thier budgets are consumed
>by Football among other sports.
>
Julia,
If you figure that high schools do not own their own rinks and have to pay
for their own ice time, they go way above the football budget in a heart
beat. Football paractices are about 2-2.5 hours a day, and the school owns
and groom the field. Hockey is a 2 semester sport, about 80-90 days a
year. One hour of ice time at the cheapest is $200. So you are already
aobut $16,000 to $18,000. To dress a kid is about $300. That does not
include skates. High schools pay for football footwear, so if your high
school pays for skates, minimum cost per child is $500. Figure 16 children
minimum, that is $8,000. Throw in the coach, assistant coach,
transportation yada yada yada, foot ball is cheap. I love hockey. Don't
get me wrong, but are facing a real litteracy and moral crisis in our
schools, and more time spent teaching is more to the point. Sports do help
build our kids, but we are playing ostrich if we think that sports will
help solve the legacy of mediocray we have given to our kids.
Debbie
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Date: Mon, 19 May 97 09:47:40 PST
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: College List
Message-ID:
Kelly,
Go to this address for all the info on Women's Hockey -
Colleges, Coaches, addresses.
http://www.cs.utoronto.ca/~andria/Womens_hockey_info.html
Look under Universities -- US.
Peggy
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 09:52:24 +0000
From: Kelly Connelly
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: address's for college coaches =)
Message-ID:
email@hidden wrote:
>
> Hello everyone! Is there anyone out there with a list of the women's college coaches address's?
HI Kellie...Check out the May/June issue of Women's Hockey Magazine.
There's an address list of U.S. colleges & contact names that offer
women's hockey. Plus there's a big feature on U.S. women's collegiate
hockey...from varsity and club programs to scholarships and financial
aid. To subscribe to the magazine...call 1 800 807 2231. It comes out
6 times a year for $13.95.
Kelly Connelly
Managing Editor, Canada
Women's Hockey Magazine
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 15:42:15 -0400
From: "Ashmun, Julia D"
To: "'email@hidden'"
Subject: RE: High school girls' teams
Message-ID:
Deb,
many tax payers would prefer not to have their taxes increased, wich as
a property owner I can fully appreciate, BUT they have strongly stated
that they'd like thier tax dollars equitable distributed.
Many high schools do own their rinks and football fields. But
unlike hockey, where the much of the rink expense is charged to their
budget most of the football field expenses do not show up on the
football budget but are charged against other bugdets (facilities,
etc.). Hockey in some states are a 1 semester sport and can cost around
$65,000 a year. Equipment in both hockey and foot is often supplied by
the school with exception to skates and must be maintained and upgraded
from year to year. Coaches and assistant coaches saleries can have a
large impact on the budget and not equitable between the sports. The
average salery for a head coach of a women's div I ice hockey program is
equivalent to that of an assist coach at a Div I men's program. Foot
ball is not cheap at the varsity highschool or college level, but
niether is boys varsity hockey. Yes, I love hockey, too. For more
information, contact the National Federation of Athletics and Activities
in Kansas City, MI or the Women's Sports Foundation (on the web). They
should be able to give you average budgets for high school hockey and
football in most states.
> ----------
> From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie
> Minden[SMTP:email@hidden]
> Reply To: email@hidden
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 1997 2:11 PM
> To: Subscribers to
> Subject: RE: High school girls' teams
>
> >In Massachusetts, boy's high school teams in some towns receive
> $15,000
> >to $25,000 and afternoor practices. Hockey is not the most expensive
> >sports. In most of the towns (or colleges), thier budgets are
> consumed
> >by Football among other sports.
> >
> Julia,
> If you figure that high schools do not own their own rinks and have to
> pay
> for their own ice time, they go way above the football budget in a
> heart
> beat. Football paractices are about 2-2.5 hours a day, and the school
> owns
> and groom the field. Hockey is a 2 semester sport, about 80-90 days a
> year. One hour of ice time at the cheapest is $200. So you are
> already
> aobut $16,000 to $18,000. To dress a kid is about $300. That does
> not
> include skates. High schools pay for football footwear, so if your
> high
> school pays for skates, minimum cost per child is $500. Figure 16
> children
> minimum, that is $8,000. Throw in the coach, assistant coach,
> transportation yada yada yada, foot ball is cheap. I love hockey.
> Don't
> get me wrong, but are facing a real litteracy and moral crisis in our
> schools, and more time spent teaching is more to the point. Sports do
> help
> build our kids, but we are playing ostrich if we think that sports
> will
> help solve the legacy of mediocray we have given to our kids.
>
> Debbie
>
>
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