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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 568
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Nike Ice Hockey Skates ?/ nike sticks....
by email@hidden
2) Re: Nike Ice Hockey Skates ?
by email@hidden (Jules Smith)
3) Re: Nike Ice Hockey Skates ?
by email@hidden
4) Re: Nike Ice Hockey Skates ?/ nike sticks....
by email@hidden
5) Re: Hockey Training Institute
by Genia Michaela
6) Re: no ice time
by email@hidden
7) Re: Hockey Training Institute
by email@hidden
8) Re: Women's Hockey Skates
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
9) Re: no ice time
by "Lynn Witkowski"
10) Re: Hockey Training Institute
by "Lynn Witkowski"
11) Re: no ice time
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
12) Re: Hockey Training Institute
by Genia Michaela
13) Re: Nike Skates
by "Caroline Roberts"
14) Re: Div II?
by email@hidden (Jess Becker)
15) RE: Nike Skates
by email@hidden (Ta, Jacqueline)
16) Re: Div II?
by email@hidden
17) RE: Nike Skates
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:26:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Nike Ice Hockey Skates ?/ nike sticks....
Message-ID:
<< Hmmm... I figured Nike probably just redesigned the outside of the
Bauer Comps, added a swoosh and upped the price a hundred bucks. If I were
Nike, that's probably what I would do. Anyone seen them up close and
personal and can make a comparison?
Don Wright
RI Panthers>>
I Have not seen them in person yet. Stores in NY will be getting them in a
few weeks. However, there is a web page., with pics and descriptions.
http://www.gremic.com/nikeice.HTML
Unfortunately, the web address does not have prices. They must be expensive,
at least judging from the price of their hockey sticks $90!!.
btw, is there any advantage to the graphite sticks? Are they that much
lighter? Are they less susceptible to breakage, so that 4 wood sticks = 1
graphite stick?
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Date: Mon, 12 May 97 17:35:31 -0400
From: email@hidden (Jules Smith)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Nike Ice Hockey Skates ?
Message-ID: <9705122135.AA28705@pinion>
>Cosby's plans on selling mostly the higher-end skates, around $450-$500!!
That's a pretty penny to pay for skates which are manufactured by mistreated
children in Vietnamese sweatshops. I'll stick with my CCM Tacks....
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 20:36:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Nike Ice Hockey Skates ?
Message-ID:
In a message dated 97-05-12 14:31:14 EDT, you write:
<< I don't think that durability is such an issue on ice skates (since
you're not
sliding along on asphalt as in street hockey), and I don't think that the
Nike skates could be so much better that they can justify their much
higher prices. Even though my Tacks are on the cheaper end of the scale,
I feel I still have plenty of ankle support (and I've only been skating
for about a year!), and I think mine will last for a long time.
>>
Maybe durability isn't an issue, but will they stand up to a 80mph slap shot
that you take full force on the ankle? I wear Bauer Supreme Composites and I
can tell you there is a HUGE difference between Bauers lowest end skates and
the top of the line Supreme Composites. I don't know your age or what
division you play in, but I would only trust the best on my feet when it
comes to the Slapshots I may face in the Men's league. Not to mention having
other bodies land on your ankle or having someone inadvertently run over your
ankle with their skate (yes it happens!). I'm a youth Coach and I have
parents asking me all the time "What equipment can I scrimp on?" And my
answer is always "None of it!"
Jackie - #22 - She Shoooooooots, She Scoooooooores!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 21:42:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Nike Ice Hockey Skates ?/ nike sticks....
Message-ID:
The new nike skates dont have nearly as much support as Bauers and CCMs..They
r on sale in Cali....they price from $300-$400
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 22:26:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Genia Michaela
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Re: Hockey Training Institute
Message-ID:
On Mon, 12 May 1997, Alan Chim wrote:
> Hey all!
>
> Has anyone had any personal experience with the Hockey Training Institute
> (HTI) in Shelburne, Ontario, particularly their 4 week womens program. Any
> positive or negative comments?
>
> Alan.
>
>
Actually, yes i have.
I went there last summer, which was the first time they had any women.
I transferred into a division 1 school this year, and at the time had only
played for about a year and a half - i started playing on a college club
team - and I knew that in order to have any chance at making the jump,
i needed an extensive training program. I was there for two months. The
other two girls there for two months were 16 year olds who were playing at
prep school. One more girl (Canadian) came for the last month. She plays
in a boys' league in Vancouver.
There are good things and bad things.
Like everything in life, how much you get out of it directly correlates to
how much you put in.
If you are exteremely motivated, you can improve vastly - juswtt from
being out there every day.
I don't recceomend goign if you don't really love it and if you aren't
really intense about it and are there seriously to improve.
There are lots of other places one can go to have a nice timem and play a
little hockey.
I dhad some problem with the adolescent male campers, although that was
confined to me and did not carry over to the other girls.
I assume a great part of that dealt with the fact that i also acted as a
mathematics tutor.
The reason I am going back this summer (yes... : )
is that I do not want to go to a one or two week thing.
I do not feel that will give me the oppportunity to improve that I am
looking for.
Shelburne is not exactly a happening place, but since what you do there is
play hockey and work out all the time, you're usually too tired to want to
do much of anything anyway!
So...
To sum it all up...
I am expecting things to go much smoother this year.
It is a pretty good deal financially.
It will be exciting for the women to have their own program this summer.
You can expect lots of ice and opportunities to get better.
But don't waste your time if you want anything other than HOCKEY for an
entire month.
let me know if you ahve any more questions (maybe more specific?)
and maybe I'll see you there this summer
-genia michaela
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 00:07:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: no ice time
Message-ID:
In a message dated 97-05-12 10:27:36 EDT, you write:
<< That is outrageous... With all the companies opening private rinks in
Southern Ontario, I am surprised that they haven't been to your area. If
users are willing to pay that much for ice, obviously there is a need and
the addition of a 4 or 6 plex would be used fully. It would pay for itself
and it wouldn't cost users nearly as much to rent the ice time as they pay
now.
>>
Unfortunately, there's precious little real-estate in the NYC area in which
to build a rink. Land purchase, startup costs and the hair-raising process of
getting all the necessary permits are enough to scare off all but the most
deep-pocketed builders. The rink to which Caroline is referring, even, is
still having financial trouble even though it's a state of the art facility
(and includes a number of other very nice fitness facilities: gym, pool,
driving range even) -- its tax base is killer and, partly due to an awkward
location off the main mass transit drags, it still isn't recouping its
investment even though it had its whole debt restructured in the last year or
so.
We hear talk occasionally of a new rink coming to Brooklyn itself; cross your
fingers! Meanwhile, if you know any rich, idealistic people, send 'em this
way...
Margaret
Brooklyn Blades
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 22:25:14 -0700
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Hockey Training Institute
Message-ID:
Does this institute have a web page explaining about it in more detail? or maybe
do you have a number I could call to get some more info about the camp including
prices?? I'm going to be playing Div. II ice hockey next year and need a "good"
training in the summer. Thanks...
Katie #9
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 07:19:00 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's Hockey Skates
Message-ID:
>I just got into ice hockey this past weekend. I will be starting w/ an
>instructional team in a few weeks. Took my first skating lesson in a pair of
>used skates that was given to me from a friend of a friend. They are
>supposedly "very good skates." However, after 2 days on the ice, I have
>rubbed the most disgusting, painful blister on my foot because the arch
>support is in the wrong place. (The skates are the right size.) I also have
>some pains in some other funky places on my feet. I can only imagine that
>this is due to the design of the skates, and the shape of my feet. I have
>men's skates, and women's feet. (Does not seem compatible, does it??)
>
>There are vast differences between men's and women's feet. That is why they
>make different sneakers, ski boots, etc. for men and women.
>
>BOTTOM LINE:
>
>Are there any manufacturers out there that make women's ice hockey skates?
> What models are available? What is the price range? I would pay almost
>anything for a pair of skates that fit right.
>(When I went to get new ski boots this year, I tried on no less than 15
>pairs. If my feet are happy, then I'm happy.)
>
>Pls. no lectures on seeing if I like it first before I invest $$$$ in skates,
>etc. I'm 31 yrs old, w/ a good job. :-)
>
>Are there any shops in NYC that carry them? (or any shops in/around
> Minneappolis - I will be there this weekend...)
>
>Any info on this would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks.
>
>email@hidden
Even the most expensive skates can be murder to break in. First, don't
skate with blisters. You have to wait until they heal, because skates are
a hotbed of bacteria. Then, try putting on wet (clean white) socks and
walking around your house in the skates. Wear your hard guards while doing
this. Then, before you play, put on clean white socks and spray your feet
with water. Don't get them soaking, just a little damp. This helps to
speed up the breaking in period. It has always worked for me and my kids.
I have a size difference in my feet so the arch supports are never where
they should be. Then, there are always the quick fixes like mole skin on
spots that never get better, make up donuts over your ankle bones, wrist
sweatbands around skinny ankels etc. Even custom boots can kill you. I
know figure skaters who have custom boots that have to do quick fixed on
occasion. Good luck.
Debbie
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 10:06:38 -0400
From: "Lynn Witkowski"
To:
Subject: Re: no ice time
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> From: Anne Paulson
> > That is outrageous... With all the companies opening private rinks in
> > Southern Ontario, I am surprised that they haven't been to your area.
If
> > users are willing to pay that much for ice, obviously there is a need
and
> > the addition of a 4 or 6 plex would be used fully. It would pay for
itself
> Ahem. How much does land cost in New York City, and how much does it
cost
> in Southern Ontario? How much are business taxes in New York City, and
how
> much are they in Southern Ontario? (Hint: if you sell a building in
NYC,
> the taxes are 50%.) It's hard to even imagine where a 6 plex would fit in
> New York City, except maybe Staten Island (not exactly convenient for
most New
> Yorkers!).
I stand corrected... I have never been to the Big Apple. This may sound
stupid, but don't the taxpayers have a say on what is built on city land...
if the taxpayers wanted an arena, then perhaps it is possible. With a big
facility, there is money to be made, year round... Oh well, it was just a
thought.
In China this very concept is working. There are private organizations,
building several multi plex facilities. They supply the skates and helmets
and charge the users a paltry sum to rent the skates and use the ice. If it
can be done there, surely even in New York city something can be done.
Lynn
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> > Southern Ontario, I am =
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> > users are =
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> =
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pay for itself
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> in Southern Ontario? =
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> =
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> New York City, except maybe Staten =
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> Yorkers!). =
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city land... if the taxpayers wanted an arena, then perhaps it is =
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round... Oh well, it was just a thought.
In China this very =
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multi plex facilities. They supply the skates and helmets and charge the =
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 10:11:37 -0400
From: "Lynn Witkowski"
To:
Subject: Re: Hockey Training Institute
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> From: Alan Chim
> Hey all!
> Has anyone had any personal experience with the Hockey Training Institute
> (HTI) in Shelburne, Ontario, particularly their 4 week womens program.
Any
> positive or negative comments?
>
> Alan.
I got the brochure... sounds like a pretty elite school. The price is a
little high too. $2800 for 4 weeks. It's a tad bit over my budget.
Lynn
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> Hey all!
> Has anyone had any =
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> (HTI) in =
Shelburne, Ontario, particularly their 4 week womens program. =
Any
> positive or negative comments?
>
> =
Alan.
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Lynn
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 10:52:58 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: no ice time
Message-ID:
>----------> From: Anne Paulson > > That is outrageous...
>With all the companies opening private rinks in> > Southern Ontario, I am
>surprised that they haven't been to your area. If> > users are willing to
>pay that much for ice, obviously there is a need and> > the addition of a
>4 or 6 plex would be used fully. It would pay for itself> Ahem.
> How much does land cost in New York City, and how much does it cost>
>in Southern Ontario? How much are business taxes in New York City,
>and how > much are they in Southern Ontario? (Hint: if you
>sell a building in NYC, > the taxes are 50%.) It's hard to even imagine
>where a 6 plex would fit in > New York City, except maybe Staten Island
>(not exactly convenient for most New > Yorkers!). I stand corrected... I
>have never been to the Big Apple. This may sound stupid, but don't the
>taxpayers have a say on what is built on city land... if the taxpayers
>wanted an arena, then perhaps it is possible. With a big facility,
>there is money to be made, year round... Oh well, it was just a thought.
>In China this very concept is working. There are private organizations,
>building several multi plex facilities. They supply the skates and helmets
>and charge the users a paltry sum to rent the skates and use the ice. If
>it can be done there, surely even in New York city something can be
>done.Lynn
>
Sudbury is not southern Ontario. Most of the Canadian population lives
within 100 miles of the US border, and having taken the drive more than I
can count, Sudbury is well beyond that. A lot of the new arenas in the
Southern Ontario region are government backed, so the money isn't such a
problem. Canada is a lot more socialistic than the States, so what a vocal
lobby wants, a vocal lobby gets. In the Philly area, there is practically
no government money involved in ice rinks. (In fact, we have a bridge
leading from our rink to the parking lot. It is going to cost a fortune to
bring in the engineers to fix it after this winter. We service the entire
township and our demise would be a great loss but not a penny of government
money has ever entered our coffers. We couldn't even get a non-profit
status to help us out!) The large rinks around here are in big trouble.
Despite that, it is still hard to get time. Go figure. The difference
between the US and Canadian tax rates is the difference between things like
universal health care, public ice arenas, subsideized day care. In the
long run, we all have the same amount of cash in our pockets, its just
spent in different ways by different folks.
Debbie
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 10:51:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Genia Michaela
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Re: Hockey Training Institute
Message-ID:
On Mon, 12 May 1997 email@hidden wrote:
> Does this institute have a web page explaining about it in more detail? or maybe
> do you have a number I could call to get some more info about the camp including
> prices?? I'm going to be playing Div. II ice hockey next year and need a "good"
> training in the summer. Thanks...
> Katie #9
>
>
then go for it!
the number is 800 881 1574
or 519 925 0079
see you there!
-genia michaela
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:58:38 -0400
From: "Caroline Roberts"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Nike Skates
Message-ID:
<< I don't think that durability is such an issue on ice skates (since
you're not
sliding along on asphalt as in street hockey),
Ohhh, but yes it IS an issue!! If you play often, of course it's an issue!!
My feet are small enough that I wear Jr size Bauer 5000s. They're the best
skates I've ever had (I also own a pair of used CCM 352 Tacks), but I've
heard I can't expect them to last as long as the Sr skates would because
they're designed for boys to wear for a year or so till they outgrow them.
I would love to have been able to buy skate that would fit me AND last for
several years.
<<
>On Mon, 12 May 1997 email@hidden wrote:
>I'm going to be playing Div. II ice hockey next year and need a "good"
>training in the summer. Thanks...
> Katie #9
I'm confused, is there going to be Div II women's hockey now as well as
Div's I and III? If so, where? Or was that a typo?
Jess Becker #6,
Cornell Women's Ice Hockey Team '97
email@hidden
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Date: Tue, 13 May 97 13:52:00 MDT
From: email@hidden (Ta, Jacqueline)
To: women-in-hockey
Subject: RE: Nike Skates
Message-ID:
I definitely agree that the cheapo $50 skates would be much less durable
etc. than the high-end skates, and I would certainly not recommend them
because their boots are so flimsy. On the other hand, I think that you
can do quite well with skates in the intermediate range, say $150, and
you don't necessarily have to go out and blow $400-500 on a pair of
skates. I bought a new pair of CCM Tacks 352s, and while they may not be
as good as some of the high-end skates mentioned, I think that they are
also of good quality and quite suitable for the many of us who aren't
playing at Div I level hockey. Someone who would like to start playing
hockey at a later age (like me) shouldn't be scared off by the cost of
having to purchase really expensive skates when some mid-range skates
will do.
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<< I don't think that durability is such an issue on ice skates (since
you're not
sliding along on asphalt as in street hockey),
Ohhh, but yes it IS an issue!! If you play often, of course it's an
issue!!
My feet are small enough that I wear Jr size Bauer 5000s. They're the
best
skates I've ever had (I also own a pair of used CCM 352 Tacks), but I've
heard I can't expect them to last as long as the Sr skates would because
they're designed for boys to wear for a year or so till they outgrow
them.
I would love to have been able to buy skate that would fit me AND last
for
several years.
<<
I'm not really sure about the college yet....they have 3 womens ice hockey teams
and one plays a collegiate schedule and the other two are club teams...the
college is Div. II....and yes there are some Div. II Ice hockey teams..they just
play both div. I and Div. III colleges...
Katie #9
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Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 17:16:39 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: email@hidden
Subject: RE: Nike Skates
Message-ID:
>I definitely agree that the cheapo $50 skates would be much less durable
>etc. than the high-end skates, and I would certainly not recommend them
>because their boots are so flimsy. On the other hand, I think that you
>can do quite well with skates in the intermediate range, say $150, and
>you don't necessarily have to go out and blow $400-500 on a pair of
>skates. I bought a new pair of CCM Tacks 352s, and while they may not be
>as good as some of the high-end skates mentioned, I think that they are
>also of good quality and quite suitable for the many of us who aren't
>playing at Div I level hockey. Someone who would like to start playing
>hockey at a later age (like me) shouldn't be scared off by the cost of
>having to purchase really expensive skates when some mid-range skates
>will do.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
><< I don't think that durability is such an issue on ice skates (since
> you're not
> sliding along on asphalt as in street hockey),
>
>Ohhh, but yes it IS an issue!! If you play often, of course it's an
>issue!!
>My feet are small enough that I wear Jr size Bauer 5000s. They're the
>best
>skates I've ever had (I also own a pair of used CCM 352 Tacks), but I've
>heard I can't expect them to last as long as the Sr skates would because
>they're designed for boys to wear for a year or so till they outgrow
>them.
>I would love to have been able to buy skate that would fit me AND last
>for
>several years.
><<can tell you there is a HUGE difference between Bauers lowest end skates
>and
>the top of the line Supreme Composites.
>
>I couldn't agree more with that comment! Before I invested in the 5000s,
>I
>had a crappy pair of Bauers. Very very cheap, they cost me about $50.
>They
>were AWFUL! It wasn't till I slipped into my nice new 5000s that I
>realized
>the huge difference it makes. My skating improved 100%.
>
>Caroline
My daughter wears a Bauer Supreme Youth 90. She is about 80 pounds and
plays 6 times a week because we don't let her play 7. She plays a very
aggressive defense. Well, her skates are as tough as they were the day
they came out of the box. They are scratched and the toes could use some
help (for which there is some I hear) We payed about $100 Canadian and we
will go with the same skates again next year if they come in her size. The
kid who inherits her old skates is getting a great pair of skates. Just
becuase something is inexpensive, it isn't cheap.
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