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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 567
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: college hockey
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
2) Re: [Fwd: Re: SHE SHE SHE]
by email@hidden
3) Re: no ice time?
by "Lynn Witkowski"
4) Re: no ice time
by "Lynn Witkowski"
5) Women's Hockey Skates
by email@hidden
6) Re: Women's Hockey Skates
by "Jill C. Philpot"
7) MN summer camp
by "Laura Halldorson"
8) Nike Ice Hockey Skates ?
by email@hidden (Don Wright)
9) Re: no ice time
by Anne Paulson
10) Re: Women's Hockey Skates
by Anne Paulson
11) Re: Nike Ice Hockey Skates ?
by
12) RE: Nike Ice Hockey Skates ?
by email@hidden (Ta, Jacqueline)
13) Re: Nike Ice Hockey Skates ?
by email@hidden
14) Re: Women's Hockey Skates
by email@hidden
15) Re: Nike Ice Hockey Skates ?
by Chuck Collins
16) Re: Nike Ice Hockey Skates ?
by email@hidden (Don Wright)
17) Re: Women's Hockey Skates
by email@hidden
18) Re: Women's Hockey Skates
by email@hidden
19) Hockey Training Institute
by Alan Chim
20) Re: Women's Hockey Skates
by email@hidden (Linda K Deno)
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Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 23:26:02 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: email@hidden
Subject: RE: college hockey
Message-ID:
>While we're on the subject, teams like ours at Chatham are looking to
>recruite qualified student/athletes. Often, we don't know where to find
>players! We're only entering our second year and are still planning on
>turning varsity the following year (Division III).
>
>We have been contacted by interested players, and that's cool. But what's
>also really nice is contacting *teams* with general info. about the school.
>Maybe as you sell yourself, whether you're on women's/girls' teams or
>boys' teams, you should provide the school with info as to whether there
>are other players, too, who might look at Chatham if they knew more.
>
>Before you holler that you don't want to lose your scholarship to your
>teammate, remember that Division III schools don't give athletic
>scholarships!
>
>All the best in finding a college; there aren't many harder decisions out
>there (because you know so little coming in). And if you'd like more info
>about *any* school, ASK. Don't wait for them to come to you; they may
>simply not know where to look to find you!
>
>Susan
>
>Susan Helene Gottfried
>Assistant Coach, Chatham College Club Hockey
>Author of the Erroll Weiss Hockey novels (pub. pending)
>and out in the 'burbs of Mr. Roger's Neighborhood
Susan,
My address is Debbie Minden
310 Marvin Road
Elkins Park, PA 19027
(215) 635-4817
We have a few juniors and seniors on the girls team this year who might be
interested in looking at Chatham. We also have 2 girls who have been out
for a year or so who I think want to go to college but can't find the
means. If you send me the info, I can get it into the correct hands. From
personal experience (my daughter is 16 and getting enough mail to take down
a rain forest) something delivered with personal interest will go a lot
further. Are you interested in Sophomores with talent? Let me know,
because we have a few of them too. We also have 3 ten year olds, but that
is another story. Two are really talented, but since they are starting 6th
grade, they are not quite your speed. I'd like to see some good come out
of this for these girls. I think they are great kids who deserve a break.
Take care,
Debbie
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 05:58:04 -0700
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: SHE SHE SHE]
Message-ID:
I never implied that feminist was a bad word geesh! I was just making a comment
that not everyone is and that we weren't in any way trying to offend the girl
that wrote that poem.
Katie #9
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:40:54 -0400
From: "Lynn Witkowski"
To:
Subject: Re: no ice time?
Message-ID:
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> From: Sheila & Colleen
> To: Subscribers to
> Subject: Re: no ice time?
> Date: Friday, May 09, 1997 4:21 AM
>
> I do agree that having hockey as our unofficial national sport, (lacrosse
> being the official sport), does encourage the growth of hockey in Canada.
Point of correction... Hockey is the Official Canadian WINTER sport and
Lacrosse is the Official SUMMER sport...
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> To: Subscribers to <email@hidden>
> Subject: Re: no ice time?
> Date: =
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>
> I do agree that =
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> being =
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:57:00 -0400
From: "Lynn Witkowski"
To:
Subject: Re: no ice time
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> From: Caroline Roberts
> To: Subscribers to
> Subject: re: no ice time
> Date: Friday, May 09, 1997 11:06 AM
> You think YOU have it bad! Here in NYC there's only one indoor rink for
7M
> people so they charge outrageous fees. $450 for an hour of ice, and
that's
That is outrageous... With all the companies opening private rinks in
Southern Ontario, I am surprised that they haven't been to your area. If
users are willing to pay that much for ice, obviously there is a need and
the addition of a 4 or 6 plex would be used fully. It would pay for itself
and it wouldn't cost users nearly as much to rent the ice time as they pay
now.
> slot, adults arrive at midnight to skate for a couple hours. I was so
> jealous of the women I met at Brampton who pay $44/hr (Canadian) for ice.
I
> assumed they meant they EACH paid that much, but they explained that
that's
That is rare that a user pays so little. I do know a female group in
Cornwall Ontario lobbied the municipality for lower rates and was
successful, but rates that low are few and far between. In Sudbury Ontario
our girls league pays the same as the other "minor age" user groups ie:
figure skating, ringette, minor hockey and it was $82 per hour in the City.
It will go up again this year.
Lynn
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> From: Caroline =
Roberts <Caroline_Roberts@adarc.org>
> To: Subscribers to <email@hidden>
> Subject: re: no ice time
> Date: =
Friday, May 09, 1997 11:06 AM
> You think YOU have it bad! =
Here in NYC there's only one indoor rink for 7M
> people so they =
charge outrageous fees. $450 for an hour of ice, and that's
That is =
outrageous... With all the companies opening private rinks in Southern =
Ontario, I am surprised that they haven't been to your area. If users =
are willing to pay that much for ice, obviously there is a need and the =
addition of a 4 or 6 plex would be used fully. It would pay for =
itself and it wouldn't cost users nearly as much to rent the ice time as =
they pay now.
> slot, adults arrive at midnight to skate for a =
couple hours. I was so
> jealous of the women I met at =
Brampton who pay $44/hr (Canadian) for ice. I
> assumed they meant =
they EACH paid that much, but they explained that that's
That is rare =
that a user pays so little. I do know a female group in Cornwall Ontario =
lobbied the municipality for lower rates and was successful, but rates =
that low are few and far between. In Sudbury Ontario our girls league =
pays the same as the other "minor age" user groups ie: figure =
skating, ringette, minor hockey and it was $82 per hour in the City. It =
will go up again this year.
Lynn
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:45:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Women's Hockey Skates
Message-ID:
I just got into ice hockey this past weekend. I will be starting w/ an
instructional team in a few weeks. Took my first skating lesson in a pair of
used skates that was given to me from a friend of a friend. They are
supposedly "very good skates." However, after 2 days on the ice, I have
rubbed the most disgusting, painful blister on my foot because the arch
support is in the wrong place. (The skates are the right size.) I also have
some pains in some other funky places on my feet. I can only imagine that
this is due to the design of the skates, and the shape of my feet. I have
men's skates, and women's feet. (Does not seem compatible, does it??)
There are vast differences between men's and women's feet. That is why they
make different sneakers, ski boots, etc. for men and women.
BOTTOM LINE:
Are there any manufacturers out there that make women's ice hockey skates?
What models are available? What is the price range? I would pay almost
anything for a pair of skates that fit right.
(When I went to get new ski boots this year, I tried on no less than 15
pairs. If my feet are happy, then I'm happy.)
Pls. no lectures on seeing if I like it first before I invest $$$$ in skates,
etc. I'm 31 yrs old, w/ a good job. :-)
Are there any shops in NYC that carry them? (or any shops in/around
Minneappolis - I will be there this weekend...)
Any info on this would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
email@hidden
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:20:46 -0400
From: "Jill C. Philpot"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's Hockey Skates
Message-ID:
At 07:52 AM 5/12/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I just got into ice hockey this past weekend. I will be starting w/ an
>instructional team in a few weeks. Took my first skating lesson in a pair of
>used skates that was given to me from a friend of a friend. They are
>supposedly "very good skates." However, after 2 days on the ice, I have
>rubbed the most disgusting, painful blister on my foot because the arch
>support is in the wrong place. (The skates are the right size.) I also have
>some pains in some other funky places on my feet. I can only imagine that
>this is due to the design of the skates, and the shape of my feet. I have
>men's skates, and women's feet. (Does not seem compatible, does it??)
>
Please note that used skates - whether they are men's or women's - will
most likely not fit you right if they have been broken in well by the
previous owner. With multiple use, the boot of the skate will mold itself
around your ankle bone, creating a small indent where your bone lays next
to it. If you use someone else's skates it is more than likely that their
ankle bone is not in the exact same spot as yours and will make the entire
skate a poor fit, regardless of the "sex" of the skate:-) At our age, new
skates - or barely used ones - are the way to go.
I suggest you try on both new men's and women's skates before discounting
the men's skates. If you have wider feet you may appreciate the men's skates.
Jill Philpot
Chesapeake Bay Lightning
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:07:14
From: "Laura Halldorson"
To: email@hidden
Subject: MN summer camp
Message-ID:
I was late in organizing a summer camp here at the University of Minnesota,
but finally have! If any girls entering grades 7-12 who live in the Twin
Cities area are interested in attending a day camp from 8:30am-4:00pm
during the weeks of June 9-13 or June 16-20 at Mariucci Arena (for $275),
please call 612-646-7160 for more information. The first week is for
players with 1-5 years of playing experience and the second week is for
over 5 years. Thanks.
Laura Halldorson
Gopher Women's Hockey Coach
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:33:37 -0400
From: email@hidden (Don Wright)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Nike Ice Hockey Skates ?
Message-ID:
Has anyone seen the new Nike ice skates in stores yet? I see alot
of NHLers wearing them, but have yet to seen them in shops or via mail
order.
I just bought a pair of Nike inlines for my daugther's birthday.
They do run small and narrow, so if that's a consideration, you may want to
check them out. She report that they a very comfortable. The boot is a
little stiff but is breaking in nicely. The price was a little high
($225), but not that much more than the Bauers, and for what appears to be
a more durable product.
Don Wright
RI Panthers
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 09:58:15 -0700
From: Anne Paulson
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: no ice time
Message-ID:
> > You think YOU have it bad! Here in NYC there's only one indoor rink for
> 7M
> > people so they charge outrageous fees. $450 for an hour of ice, and
> that's
> That is outrageous... With all the companies opening private rinks in
> Southern Ontario, I am surprised that they haven't been to your area. If
> users are willing to pay that much for ice, obviously there is a need and
> the addition of a 4 or 6 plex would be used fully. It would pay for itself
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> and it wouldn't cost users nearly as much to rent the ice time as they pay
> now.
Ahem. How much does land cost in New York City, and how much does it cost
in Southern Ontario? How much are business taxes in New York City, and how
much are they in Southern Ontario? (Hint: if you sell a building in NYC,
the taxes are 50%.) It's hard to even imagine where a 6 plex would fit in
New York City, except maybe Staten Island (not exactly convenient for most New
Yorkers!).
Here in the San Jose area, my team pays $165 for half of a small ice rink for
an hour an a half. Slots are scarce, and we were lucky to get one without
having to wait.
-- Anne Paulson
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:08:57 -0700
From: Anne Paulson
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's Hockey Skates
Message-ID:
> There are vast differences between men's and women's feet. That is why they
> make different sneakers, ski boots, etc. for men and women.
There are vast differences in feet. I wouldn't be so quick to congratulate
women's shoe manufacturers for producing good-fitting shoes. The average
woman's foot is a C width, but the average woman's shoe (often the ONLY width
made) is a B width. If your feet are D width or wider, good luck.
I don't know whether there are skates made specifically for women (if there
were, they certainly wouldn't fit my feet even though I'm a woman, so I
haven't looked) but I do know that the various brands of skates fit
differently, so it's worthwhile trying on all the brands until you find one
you like. "Junior" skates, sold generally to young teenage boys, also fit a
lot of women, and are cheaper than the bigger skates sold to men; I don't
know if "women's" skates would be sold at junior prices or at higher prices,
but probably the latter.
You can also buy custom-made skates.
-- Anne "Love my CCM Tack 652's" Paulson
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Date: Mon, 12 May 97 10:45:22 -0700
From:
To:
Subject: Re: Nike Ice Hockey Skates ?
Message-ID:
Just FYI Regarding Nike skate ...
Nike bought Bauer, so Nike skates are actually Bauer skates. If Bauer's
fit you well, Nikes will, too.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Melissa Joulwan
Go, girl! Magazine http://www.gogirlmag.com
415-332-4134
Go, girl! is a bi-weekly magazine dedicated to getting women of all
ages and fitness levels involved in sports.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Date: Mon, 12 May 97 11:58:00 MDT
From: email@hidden (Ta, Jacqueline)
To: women-in-hockey
Subject: RE: Nike Ice Hockey Skates ?
Message-ID:
I have seen the new Nike ice skates in several stores already in Denver,
along with the Nike inline skates. The major thing I have noticed about
them is that they are all exorbitantly expensive. I got my CCM Tacks for
about $100 less than what the cheapest Nike ice skates are retailing for,
which really turned me off to even trying them on.
I don't think that durability is such an issue on ice skates (since
you're not
sliding along on asphalt as in street hockey), and I don't think that the
Nike skates could be so much better that they can justify their much
higher prices. Even though my Tacks are on the cheaper end of the scale,
I feel I still have plenty of ankle support (and I've only been skating
for about a year!), and I think mine will last for a long time.
From: women-in-hockey[SMTP:email@hidden]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 1997 9:38 AM
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Nike Ice Hockey Skates ?
Has anyone seen the new Nike ice skates in stores yet? I see
alot
of NHLers wearing them, but have yet to seen them in shops or via mail
order.
I just bought a pair of Nike inlines for my daugther's birthday.
They do run small and narrow, so if that's a consideration, you may want
to
check them out. She report that they a very comfortable. The boot is a
little stiff but is breaking in nicely. The price was a little high
($225), but not that much more than the Bauers, and for what appears to
be
a more durable product.
Don Wright
RI Panthers
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 15:00:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Nike Ice Hockey Skates ?
Message-ID:
In NYC,
Paragon & Cosby's are both expecting to get the Nike skates in before the end
of May.
Cosby's plans on selling mostly the higher-end skates, around $450-$500!!
YEOW!!
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 15:06:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's Hockey Skates
Message-ID:
In a message dated 97-05-12 11:49:36 EDT, you write:
<< However, after 2 days on the ice, I have
rubbed the most disgusting, painful blister on my foot because the arch
support is in the wrong place. (The skates are the right size.) I also have
some pains in some other funky places on my feet. >>
Wait till you start skating more, your feet will never be the same! I put in
about 15-20 hours a week on the ice either playing or practicing and spend
the rest of my time in house slippers! Seriously though, do buy the best
skates you can afford. My personal preference is Bauer Supreme Composites,
I've never skated anything but Bauer though. I have been told that Bauer
seems to be better for narrower feet and CCM for wider feet although I don't
know. My feet are extremely bony and narrow and I do fine with Bauer. Any
skates if they are fairly new will rub on your ankles, you can go to any drug
store and buy "Ankle Supports" from ACE bandage, I use them for a couple of
months whenever I break in new skates, they help you not to blister, plus
they slightly exaggerate your ankle bone, making the ankle indention break in
quicker. I don't know what size skates you had in correlation to your shoe
size, but I wear a Jr. size 4 skate, although I wear a 7 1/2 - 8 women's
shoe. I like my skates extremely snug and as you become a better skater, you
may find that also. Good luck and give those ACE ankle supports a try!
Jackie - #22 - She Shoooooooooots, She Scoooooooooores !!!!!!!!!!
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Date: 12 May 97 12:28:04 PDT (Mon)
From: Chuck Collins
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Nike Ice Hockey Skates ?
Message-ID:
Melissa wrote:
> Just FYI Regarding Nike skate ...
>
> Nike bought Bauer, so Nike skates are actually Bauer skates. If Bauer's
> fit you well, Nikes will, too.
Hmmm, not sure if this follows. While it's true that Nike bought Canstar,
what that seems to mean is that Nike controls the marketing strategy
and operating budgets of Bauer/Cooper/Flak et. al. But I know that
Nike, for example, chose to use their own people to design and produce
the blades of the Nike skates, ignoring the fact that they had one of the
most skilled and successful ice skate design staffs under their ownership.
Can anyone add to or confirm what I said above? I read it in an article
excerpt taped to the wall of a hockey shop who had made a decision to
not carry the Nike brand. Did Nike design the boot too, or did they have
the Bauer people do it?
- Chuck Collins
P. S. I heard from my son that a kid showed up at hockey practice wearing
Nike skates, and found himself being derided mercilessly by the other
kids, and even taking a few jabs from the coach. Parents beware.
P. P. S. I hate the fact that I find myself responding to the marketing. As
a goaltender, I've come over the years to equate the Cooper brand with
unimaginitive, low cost, but serviceable recreation-level products.
Now I see another goaltender with Bauer equipment, seemingly identical
to the old Cooper gear, and I immediately want to try it myself. Grrr.
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 15:52:03 -0400
From: email@hidden (Don Wright)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Nike Ice Hockey Skates ?
Message-ID:
>Melissa wrote:
>
>> Just FYI Regarding Nike skate ...
>>
>> Nike bought Bauer, so Nike skates are actually Bauer skates. If Bauer's
>> fit you well, Nikes will, too.
Hmmm... I figured Nike probably just redesigned the outside of the
Bauer Comps, added a swoosh and upped the price a hundred bucks. If I were
Nike, that's probably what I would do. Anyone seen them up close and
personal and can make a comparison?
Don Wright
RI Panthers
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:30:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's Hockey Skates
Message-ID:
I recently upgraded my skates from an ancient pair of CCM Super Tacks which I
had been wearing since 1982 ( and which had never been particularly
comfortable but they were free because I got them for playing varsity college
hockey) to a pair of Bauer 5000 Composites. I have a wide foot and I had
heard that Bauer skate was narrower. When I compared high end Bauers and
CCM's I was surprised to discover that the Bauers were much more confortable
in terms of where the arch support was located. I also ended up with skates a
whole size bigger (no wonder my toes were always so cramped). The Bauer's
have been fantastic - the most comfortable, supportive yet flexible skates
that I've had in my 5 pairs of skates. I did skate in Langes as a teenager
and they were comfortable and supportive but very clunky with their plastic
boot. I did have some initial blisters on my ankles, especially if I played
consecutive nights in a row. Mole foam and soaking the skates in hot water
and then wearing them around the house helped with the breaking in process.
Nancy Milholland
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 15:35:40 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's Hockey Skates
Message-ID:
I work at a hockey pro shop (which unfortunately doesn't carry women's
skates), so I've had the opportunity to try out lots of skates, and my
personal preference is the Bauer Air 90s. This is the ONLY pair of
skates that I've ever bought that gave me NO blisters, and the first
time I wore them was for 12 hours straight. (I also work at an ice
rink) However, the sizes do run funny - I wear a 7 1/2 - 8 shoe and my
skates are a 4 1/2.
Jeanne
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 13:58:08 -0700
From: Alan Chim
To: email@hidden
Subject: Hockey Training Institute
Message-ID:
Hey all!
Has anyone had any personal experience with the Hockey Training Institute
(HTI) in Shelburne, Ontario, particularly their 4 week womens program. Any
positive or negative comments?
Alan.
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Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:18:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden (Linda K Deno)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's Hockey Skates
Message-ID:
Hi all,
I just wanted to let you know that as far as CCM skates go, they come in
two different widths, wide (EB) and narrow(DA) - in my experience, not
all skate shop employees know about this. I had some CCM 152's which were
way too wide, turns out they were EB skates (you can tell because it's
printed insides the skate at the heel); I got some Bauer Supremes next, but
they didn't fit me nearly as good in the toes (I have duck feet, real narrow
heels and relatively wide toes) and also pinched my achilles tendon to
the point where I went back to the store where I got them and was lucky
enough to talk to a guy who was fairly knowledgeable - the result is that
I absolutely LOVE my new CCM 652 Super Tacks (narrow), which have plenty
of toe room yet are narrow enough for the rest of my foot. If you have duck
feet like me, you might want to give these a try. Hope this helps!
Linda
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