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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 674
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Lifetime Olympic coverage
by email@hidden
2) Re: Late Starters
by Jan de Regt
3) Re: Late Starters
by email@hidden
4) Re: alt.sport.icehockey.women
by Laurie Sefton
5) Re: Late Starters
by email@hidden (Lyle Anderson)
6) Re: Lifetime Olympic coverage
by email@hidden (Lyle Anderson)
7) Re: Late Starters
by email@hidden (Lyle Anderson)
8) Bag Boy
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
9) RE: Lake Placid Women's Hockey Festival.
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
10) Re: Late Starters
by Anne Paulson
11) RE: Lake Placid Women's Hockey Festival. and Maria Dennis
by email@hidden
12) Re: Late Starters
by "Diane J. Duda"
13) Re: Late Starters
by email@hidden
14) Re: alt.sport.icehockey.women
by Chuq Von Rospach
15) Re: Late Starters
by karen braun
16) Chesapeake Bay Lightning 1997-98 Programs
by CMSI
17) tryouts for Pre-Olympic team
by email@hidden
18) Team USA Roster
by "Joanna L. Avery"
19) Re: Team USA Roster
by email@hidden
20) It's in USA Today - Team USA
by email@hidden
21) USA Olympic try-out
by "Jill C. Philpot"
22) FW: Bag Boy
by "Manuel Angulo"
23) FW: Late Starters
by "Manuel Angulo"
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:26:07 -0600
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Lifetime Olympic coverage
Message-ID:
I heard last evening that Lifetime Cable is going to play one of the
women's games from the Olympics. Which one, I have no idea. And if it's
going to be live, I have no idea. Send your cards and letters to them and
thank them though! Dorene
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Date: 26 Aug 1997 13:43:54 -0400
From: Jan de Regt
To: email@hidden (Return requested),
Subject: Re: Late Starters
My travel team jersey number is 36 because that's how old I was when I
started skating and playing hockey! My son was seven when we started
taking him and it just looked like too much fun to leave to the little
kids. That summer, the two of us were on the ice with the six year
olds working to learn to skate. And I was a veritable couch potato
before that!
I will never be a star on my team, but I am completely addicted and
much healthier than I have ever been in my life - tell your wife to
try it if she's at all interested - it's not too late! Our B travel
team has players that have ranged in age from 12 to 45, and we all
have a blast playing competitive hockey together.
Our club has free clinics a few times each year for people exactly
like her - women who have thought about trying hockey but are a bit
uncertain about it. If we convert some people into hockey players to
skate in our teams, that's great - but it's just as good if they
become hockey players somewhere else! If there's a women's team in
your area, contact them. It's a nice, low-risk way to "test the ice!"
Jan
Chesapeake Bay Lightning
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Late Starters
Author: email@hidden at Internet
Date: 8/26/97 8:11 AM
This is a question for most of you women out there
who are currently playing hockey. How many of
you started playing hockey late, e.g. in your 20's +.
I am trying to get my wife to start playing but I think
I am somehow failing to get the message across. She
has this perception that you have to start at a very young
age like I did and our daughter has. I think that is a false
perception.
-dave
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:23:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Late Starters
Message-ID:
I haven't really started playing yet, and I'm 14. I like your wife Dave have
that thought in my head that since I didn't start playing when I was 6 or 7,
I'll never be any good. I played in a rec roller hockey league, and that was
my first actual expierance in hockey, still I think I'll never be good enough
for a pro league or the olympics. I might, ya never know, but one things for
sure I won't be able to play in college. just tell her she'll only be as good
as she thinks shi is, and she'll never be any good if she doesn't get out and
try it.
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:21:00 -0700
From: Laurie Sefton
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: alt.sport.icehockey.women
Message-ID:
The question was about how many people we have signed up to this mailing list:
We have about 500 people signed up on this mailing list. No it's not the
entire population of people who are playing or interested in women's
hockey, but it's not "about 100".
Laurie
**********
email@hidden
"All the best defencemen have goalie eyes."
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:27:28 -0800
From: email@hidden (Lyle Anderson)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Late Starters
Message-ID:
Ashmun, Julia D wrote:
>
> Up until 1994, the largest sector of growth in female hockey was seniors
> (18 and over). The passing of gender equity legislation in Minnesota
> (1994) has and will continue to have a great effect on the growth of
> female hockey in the USA.
Excellent point. Two really important things happened.
First, people supporting both male and female players worked together
for new facilities.
Second, High School Hockey for Girls. By televising it, a large number
of players were attracted to start. Another factor that contributed,
was the allowance that Junior High players could play on Varsity teams.
If the TV factor has even a casual impact on Women's teams, there will
be renewed interest. It's never too late to start.
Lyle
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:28:14 -0800
From: email@hidden (Lyle Anderson)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Lifetime Olympic coverage
Message-ID:
Address?
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:31:30 -0800
From: email@hidden (Lyle Anderson)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Late Starters
Message-ID:
email@hidden wrote:
>
> There are many women out there
> who haven't started until there thirties.
How about running? Lots of people Men and Women don't start until a
time some would say is "too late." It is never too late to derive the
benefit of sport!
Lyle
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 20:47:47 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Bag Boy
Message-ID:
>Just an amusing little story about a supportive husband...Wanted to know if
>anyone else has had a similar thing happen : )
It's nice to hear a story about a person who does something nice for
someone else. That a sexist twist was put on the whole incident was really
unfortunate and shows how vulnerable we all are to social stereotypes. It
seems that especially in this case, 'no good deed should go unpunished'
which is a sadly twisted way to view things. I hope that this is the worst
that things get for you in your hockey career and that you make it clear to
your husband that regardless of what some thoughtless jerks on your team
might say to get a rise out of him, you appreciate what he does for you.
--DSM
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 20:58:56 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: email@hidden
Subject: RE: Lake Placid Women's Hockey Festival.
Message-ID:
>Maria Dennis! I know her from when she was a student at Georgetown
>University Law School in Washington, D.C. and she played for the first
>Team USA. Please let me know how she did, I didn't know she was trying
>out again.
>
>Mary Wood, Manager
>Chesapeake Bay Lightning
>
We saw four of the games in the festival in Lake Placid and had a chance to
see some pretty fine hockey. Maria is one hell of a skater and age did not
seem to be a problem for her. She is tiny compared to some of the larger
women that came to the try-outs but that did not seem to bother her and she
was fast enough to keep out of harm's way. The one main thing she has to
her advantage is experience and maturity. She could have a settling and
mentoring effect on some of the very talented but less experienced younger
players who might buckle more easily under pressure without some guiding
influence from a teammate like Maria. So let's she if she makes the cut.
Maybe someone on the list will be able to provide a list of those who made
the first cut at the end of the festival once the list is made public. My
understanding that they will then bring those women together to begin to
train the US National team for Nagano and then have a final cut some time
in December before the games begin.
--GG
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:15:56 -0700
From: Anne Paulson
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Late Starters
Message-ID:
>
> This is a question for most of you women out there
> who are currently playing hockey. How many of
> you started playing hockey late, e.g. in your 20's +.
>
> I am trying to get my wife to start playing but I think
> I am somehow failing to get the message across. She
> has this perception that you have to start at a very young
> age like I did and our daughter has.
Starting in your twenties isn't late! Starting in your forties is late.
I'm just home from a Power Skating camp, and although most of the people
in our session are teenage boys, there are six or seven beginner
men and women in their thirties and forties.
I play in an adult beginner league- we've all started in our twenties or
later, we're learning, we're getting better, we're having fun. If your
wife thinks she would enjoy hockey, her (young) age shouldn't deter her.
-- Anne Paulson
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:41:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: RE: Lake Placid Women's Hockey Festival. and Maria Dennis
Message-ID:
During this last year Maria Dennis had been playing with my daughter's team, the So Cal Rays.
Maria has been such a positive influence on the team and has helped so many of the players
over the year. I watched the team become more focused thanks to her influence. She coached,
encouraged and mentored many of the younger players.
I had not seen her arouund the pratices since the tournament in April and I had wondered where
she had disappeared to. I am so glad to hear that she is trying out again and I also hope she
makes the team. She is a great player, but like what was said before, she bring a great
positive influence on the ice with her.
Peggy
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:45:19 -0400
From: "Diane J. Duda"
To:
Subject: Re: Late Starters
Message-ID:
David,
I just started playing in Fall of 1994 and I was 23 years old. It's never
to late to learn. I am having a great time and progressing nicely!
Diane
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> From: David Cosio
> To: Subscribers to
> Subject: Late Starters
> Date: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 7:56 AM
>
>
> This is a question for most of you women out there
> who are currently playing hockey. How many of
> you started playing hockey late, e.g. in your 20's +.
>
> I am trying to get my wife to start playing but I think
> I am somehow failing to get the message across. She
> has this perception that you have to start at a very young
> age like I did and our daughter has. I think that is a false
> perception.
>
> -dave
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 23:32:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Late Starters
Message-ID:
In a message dated 97-08-26 08:15:19 EDT, you write:
<<
This is a question for most of you women out there
who are currently playing hockey. How many of
you started playing hockey late, e.g. in your 20's +.
I am trying to get my wife to start playing but I think
I am somehow failing to get the message across. She
has this perception that you have to start at a very young
age like I did and our daughter has. I think that is a false
perception.
-dave
>>
I started playing about 1 month before my 32nd birthday. That was 2 1/2
months ago....
:-)
Jill
Soon to be Brooklyn Blade....
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:16:10 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: alt.sport.icehockey.women
Message-ID:
At 1:57 PM -0700 8/26/97, Kenneth R. Veze wrote:
>I really don't think this is ALL the women's hockey fans in
>the world. Do you?
Nope. But then, I'm not trying to solve all of the world's problems
with one mail list...
>That's all the newsgroup was meant to do. It was NOT meant to pull people
>away from the plaidworks list.
If it can, I'm not running a very good mailing list then. Competition
is healthy. But as someone who helped *build* USENET back in the Good
Old Days (TM), I think anyone who wants to even try to carry on a
reasonable discussion on USENET is insane. Even more insane if it's a
topic with any hint of contraversy. And there are many segments of
society who don't think women should be playing hockey, and trust me,
they'll show up some day.
Here, I can turn them down.
>As far as the "luddites" are concerned. Hell with them! They can speak
>their minds and we can respond accordingly. The newsgroup affords us this
>luxury.
I hope you feel that way after your first flamewar. Enjoy, and I wish
you luck.
I think you'll need it, but I hope you succeed. Anything that can
further this and encourage women to join the sport I'm for, but just
don't assume USENET's going to be friendly or tolerant of you.
chuq
--
Chuq Von Rospach (email@hidden) Apple IS&T Mail List Gnome
Plaidworks Consulting (email@hidden)
( +-+ The home for Hockey on the net)
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:05:22 -0400
From: karen braun
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Late Starters
Message-ID:
If you think that your wife ACTUALLY wants to play but something is
holding her back, suggest that she goes to one first ice of (I'm just
assuming here you have one) of a senior recreational team. Along with
the ones she sees out there, the ones she percieves to be that good,
she'll see a bunch of falling-down, tripping, laughing, having a great
time women. We now have 16 teams of women's rec in our city, everything
from novice to exceptional, they all fit in. Everybody started once and
you'd find most women are VERY tolerant of newcomers. After all, you'll
only get better, I bet you tell your daughter that. Then there's the
after ice social. A great way to "get away" from the family, even for a
few hours!
Karen
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:25:24 -0400
From: CMSI
To: "'women's hockey'"
Subject: Chesapeake Bay Lightning 1997-98 Programs
Message-ID:
Attention: Girls/Women in the Maryland/DC/Virginia Region
The Chesapeake Bay Lightning Women's Ice Hockey Club, coached by Nelson Burton (www.anaserve.com/~nelsonhockey) and based at the Gardens Ice House in Laurel, MD (www.thegardensicehouse.com) is offering the following programs for the 1997-98 Season:
1. Free Clinic: September 14th, 1:30-2:50pm at the Gardens Ice House. This clinic is intended for those who are interested in our upcoming programs who have not participated in past club activities. No experience is necessary.
2. In-House Recreation League: For the Beginner to Intermediate level player or any player who wishes to play recreationally. Sundays 3:00 - 4:50 PM at the Gardens Ice House, from September 14th through March 29th. The format is 50 minutes of professional instruction followed by a 1 hour game. Official games begin in October, September scrimmages will be used for skills evaluation in order to divide individuals into even-strength teams for the remainder of the season. Jerseys will be distributed in October based on team assignment. Stats and standings will be posted, and end of season individual trophies will be awarded to the 1st and 2nd place teams.
3. Select Travel A and B: For Intermediate to Advanced players. Travel team tryouts begin September 9th and run throughout the month on Tuesday and Thursday evenings (9:10 0 10:30pm), plus the last two Sundays (1:30-2:50pm). Individuals must try out in order to be placed on a Travel Team roster. Those who try out but do not make a roster may transfer to the In-House program beginning in October.
The Travel Teams compete in the A and B divisions of the Mid-Atlantic Women's Hockey League, which is the highest level of Sr. Women's hockey in the Southeast/Atlantic districts. Last year our Travel B team finished first in the League's "B" Division, while our Travel A team competed for the Southeast District at the USA Hockey National Championships.
For more information and a registration form, contact the Club Manager at email@hidden or email@hidden.
Again, please do not reply directly to the list --
Thanks,
Mary Wood, Manager
Chesapeake Bay Lightning
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:36:57 -0600
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: tryouts for Pre-Olympic team
Message-ID:
Found out a couple of names from the tryouts that made the pre-Olympic
team. The World team + Jeanine Sobek, Sara DeCosta, Jen Schmigdall
and two others I don't know yet. 25 were chosen and will be cut to 20 at
some time (unknown by me, probably at next camp in December). Rumor
has it Jeanine Sobek was top scorer after all the games. (Yeah Jeannie!)
>From Sobek's #2 fan (her Mom & Dad are #2 fans). Dorene
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:20:42 -0400
From: "Joanna L. Avery"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Team USA Roster
Message-ID:
The 1st cuts for Team USA are listed on page 8C of today's USA Today.
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:49:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Team USA Roster
Message-ID:
can somebody who gets usa today post them? Please.
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:33:59 -0600
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: It's in USA Today - Team USA
Message-ID:
Ok - it's in USA Today: The Final 25 are:
Goal: Erin Whitten, Sarah Tueting, Sara DeCosta
Defense: Chris Bailey, Colleen Coyne, Sue Merz, Sara Mounsey, Vickie
Movesessian, Kelly O'Leary, Angela Ruggerio
Forwards: Laurie Baker, Alana Blahoski, Lisa Brown-Miller, Karyn Bye,
Trisha Dunn, Katie King, Cammi Granato, A.J. Mleczko, Shelly Looney,
Stephanie O'Sullivan, Jen Schmigdall, Gretchen Ulion, Jeanine Sobek,
Sandra Whyte, Barb Gordon
Congratulations and good luck ladies! Dorene
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:21:45 -0400
From: "Jill C. Philpot"
To: email@hidden
Subject: USA Olympic try-out
Message-ID:
USA Today stories related to the try-outs can be found at:
http://www.usatoday.com/olympics/oly.htm
There are a couple of stories there and it says that the cuts will be
announced today (Aug. 27) so keep checking back at that site.
Jill Philpot
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 97 16:37:19 UT
From: "Manuel Angulo"
To: email@hidden
Subject: FW: Bag Boy
Message-ID:
Here is another story about husbands:
There are several women on our team who have husbands who have created jobs
for themselves with the team. It started from something as simple as being a
"bench monkey" (a term they designated themselves) during a tournament in Las
Vegas. Anyone new that comes to the team and has a husband, that husband has
managed to somehow find a place for himself on the team assisting us in some
manner. It appears that no husband wants to be left out. There are only so
many things they can do for us before they just start getting in the way, so
we have jokingly talked about having to start a list with seniority rights
just to keep some order among the men. How's that for a problem. I wish all
the women's hockey problems were like this one.
Just a side note: So far, only one of these husbands plays hockey -- one is
learning and they other ones are just extremely supportive!
Candi Angulo - Captain
#21 - Houston Harpies
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From: email@hidden on behalf of Phil & Debbie Cottrell
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 1997 9:53 PM
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Bag Boy
Just an amusing little story about a supportive husband...Wanted to know if
anyone else has had a similar thing happen : )
I had just come off the ice Saturday night after two hours of pick-up
hockey...I was tired and dizzy (from an inner ear problem). My husband,
who doesn't play, had been watching the last part of the game, and when I
left the ice he came to the dressing room to let me know he was there.
Phil is very supportive of my playing hockey, and he likes to help me out
(I just started playing this year and sometimes I need all the extra help I
can get). : ) I started taking off my gear and tossing it in his
direction...He wiped my skate blades and packed my equipment into my bag.
I said good night to the guys still in the room, picked up my stick and
followed my husband (who was carrying the bag) out of the room. Two of my
team mates were in the corridor. Rob smiled at my husband and called him
"Bag Boy", and Christine asked where she could get one. I suggested that
everyone needed one. It was done in jest...This is the way we communicate
with one another (our rule on the ice is that you can only be cruel to your
nearest and dearest - this includes name calling, checking, and
harrassment). I think Phil was a little put off by all of this. He felt
it was a bit demeaning...after all it's just a pick up game among friends,
nothing competitive at all, so why not have someone who comes to pick you
up hang out in the dressing room and keep busy by gathering gear while
chating with everyone else? Has anyone else had any similar stories of
supposed role reversal where people aren't as accepting as they could be?
Debbie Cottrell
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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 97 16:37:55 UT
From: "Manuel Angulo"
To: email@hidden
Subject: FW: Late Starters
Message-ID:
I started playing two years ago when I was 34 (by the way, until then I had
only been on skates once and that once was not a pretty sight) -- there is
another woman on my team that started playing when she was 40 - several other
woman are in their late 30 and early 40's and have only been skating a couple
of years. So go ahead, jump on out there -- once you do you will wonder what
took you so long!
Good Luck!
Candi Angulo - Captain
#21 - Houston Harpies
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From: email@hidden on behalf of David Cosio
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 6:56 AM
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Late Starters
This is a question for most of you women out there
who are currently playing hockey. How many of
you started playing hockey late, e.g. in your 20's +.
I am trying to get my wife to start playing but I think
I am somehow failing to get the message across. She
has this perception that you have to start at a very young
age like I did and our daughter has. I think that is a false
perception.
-dave
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