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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 667
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: QUESTIONS?
by email@hidden
2) Re: USA/Canada exhibition games
by email@hidden (DAVE BAKER)
3) Re: Women's pro league
by email@hidden
4) Re: my web page
by email@hidden
5) Re: Women's pro league
by Chuck Collins
6) Re: Women's pro league
by email@hidden
7) Re: QUESTIONS?
by Kellie Ford
8) Newsgroup up and running!
by "Kenneth R. Veze"
9) Re: Women's pro league
by Susan Gottfried
10) Re: Women's pro league
by Shannon
11) Re: 1998 College Club Nationals/CCWHA
by email@hidden
12) Shelley Looney Article
by "Kenneth R. Veze"
13) Re: Young Womens hockey in eastern Ma.
by email@hidden
14) Re: USA/Canada exhibition games in San Jose
by email@hidden
15) Re: Shelley Looney Article
by email@hidden
16) Re: Women's pro league
by email@hidden
17) Re: QUESTIONS?
by "Jay Provost"
18) Re: Women's pro league
by email@hidden
19) Native Players (was RE: Women's pro league)
by David Cosio
20) Lack of coffe (RE: Women's pro league)
by David Cosio
21) Re: Women's pro league
by email@hidden
22) THN
by Jessica Yeo
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:46:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: QUESTIONS?
Message-ID:
Ask what a good major in college would be if you want to be a coach...
Please.
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:40:48 +0000
From: email@hidden (DAVE BAKER)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: USA/Canada exhibition games
Message-ID:
> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:46:02 -0700
> Reply-to: email@hidden
> From: "Joanna L. Avery"
> To: Subscribers to
> Subject: USA/Canada exhibition games
> Does anyone know about the schedule of exhibition games for Team
> USA and Team Canada? I heard they would be facing off against each
> other in the Maritimes, Toronto and Boston in early November. Does
> anyone have any definate dates?
>
It appears from the draft schedule I have that the two teams will
meet as follows:
October 25 - Salt Lake City
November 7-11 - Atltantic Canada / Boston (not confirmed)
December 4 - Minneapolis
December 6 - Winnipeg (not confirmed)
December 12-20 - Three Nations Cup (Canada, USA, Finland) - Lake
Placid (two games to be played in Canada)
January 17 - Vancouver (not confirmed)
January 20 - San Jose
January 25 - Calgary (not confirmed)
January 27 - TBD in USA (not confirmed)
David Baker
Manager, Officiating
CANADIAN HOCKEY
email@hidden
www.canadianhockey.ca
www.hhof.com/chocoe.html
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:45:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's pro league
Message-ID:
last i check oon the mail on www.nhl.com
there was more things about a wnhl in the future.
there was so much mail about it,that the nhl director said they were going to
look into it for the future of women's hockey.i haven't check in a while so i
don't know latest updates.
maren worley
ohio flames-#38
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:47:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: my web page
Message-ID:
jenn,
i click on the link to look at you website but something htt and creap came
up and i can't look at it
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Date: 20 Aug 97 11:04:21 PDT (Wed)
From: Chuck Collins
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's pro league
Message-ID:
Am I in a minority in thinking that a women's professional hockey league
would be a bad thing?
There are a couple of reasons I say this. First, the recent Women's World
Championships demonstrated that there are only 3 competitive teams at the
highest (Olympic) level. While it's probably true that Canada and the U.S.
could probably split up into 3 teams each and still make up 6 of the top 7,
that's still a fairly slim talent pool to start a league.
Secondly, I would prefer the success of women's hockey NOT to be tied
into the success of a professional league. "Hmmph. Women's hockey? Didn't
they try that back in 98? Failed miserably. Nobody wants to watch it."
I would much prefer to see women's hockey as the compelling Olympic sport
that it promises to be for 3 or 4 Olympics. Use this to allow it to grow
in colleges and high schools, and grow outside of Notheastern North America.
Let the TV networks slowly realize that it can sustain more coverage than
Archery or Water Polo.
In other words, the sport has not grown enough at this point to make a
professional league viable. And it will be too easy for the failure of a
professional league to be taken as a sign that the sport itself is without
merit.
- Chuck Collins
email@hidden
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:26:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's pro league
Message-ID:
In a message dated 97-08-20 14:22:44 EDT, you write:
<< last i check oon the mail on www.nhl.com
there was more things about a wnhl in the future.
there was so much mail about it,that the nhl director said they were going
to
look into it for the future of women's hockey.i haven't check in a while so
i
don't know latest updates. >>
It would be great to see a pro women's league, it seems that the WNBA is
doing much better than people first thought it would. We will just have to
wait and see what impact the winter olympics has on women's hockey.
Nicci
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:50:13 -0400
From: Kellie Ford
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: QUESTIONS?
Message-ID:
At 05:27 PM 19/08/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Everybody!
>
>Tommorrow, Shannon Miller, Hayley Wickenheiser, Danielle Dube as well as
>Kathy Berg Head Coach of the Alberta Under 18 team will be on the ice at our
>associaiton hockey camp, and then we will have an autograph session and a
>question and answer session. Does anybody on the list have questions that
>they are dying to ask the above coaches and players from Team Canada? If
>so, email them to me, and I will ask them on your behalf!
>
>
>Liam
>
>
>P.S. visit our site at www.winfonet.com/Tricities
>
>
Hi, I was wondering if you could ask if there is any special diet they
fallow to stay strong? Thanks. Christine
email@hidden
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:54:08 -0400
From: "Kenneth R. Veze"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Newsgroup up and running!
Message-ID:
Hi all!
A newly created worldwide (hopefully) Usenet newsgroup for women's hockey
is up and running. The name is alt.sport.hockey.women - Please check your
newsreaders to see if it's available and request it from your news
administrator if it's not. Anyone on the list that does get it, please post
a response to the group.
Ken
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:10:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Susan Gottfried
To: email@hidden
Cc: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Women's pro league
Message-ID:
I had to dig out the article! The two men are Ed Saunders and Don Wilson.
The article didn't say much else about them, except they have formed
corporations "with the intent of operating a women's pro hockey league.
THey are working on financial backing and the logistics."
Hope that helps--
Susan
Susan Helene Gottfried
Assistant Coach, Chatham College Club Hockey
Author of the Erroll Weiss Hockey novels (pub. pending)
and out in the 'burbs of Mr. Roger's Neighborhood
On Tue, 19 Aug 1997 email@hidden wrote:
> Who were the two men mentioned in the article who are starting the league?
>
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:09:01 -0600 (MDT)
From: Shannon
To: email@hidden
Cc: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Women's pro league
Message-ID:
On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Chuck Collins wrote:
> There are a couple of reasons I say this. First, the recent Women's World
> Championships demonstrated that there are only 3 competitive teams at the
> highest (Olympic) level. While it's probably true that Canada and the U.S.
> could probably split up into 3 teams each and still make up 6 of the top 7,
> that's still a fairly slim talent pool to start a league.
I think this is a pessimistic approach, and undermines the ability
throughout North America. I think the structure and the development of
organized womens hockey is such that it may be harder to find the talent
(men have several tiers of Junior Hockey as well as College). A league
may small, but didn't the NHL start with only 6 teams? :)
> In other words, the sport has not grown enough at this point to make a
> professional league viable. And it will be too easy for the failure of a
> professional league to be taken as a sign that the sport itself is without
> merit.
I see your points, but I'm sure if the development stage of the sport
would be the make-or-break point. I think there are many other factors
that would have much more influence, such as sponsorship and other
support--none of which I see changing dramatically with the development
of the sport.
I personally feel that such a league would be a catalyst in augmenting the
talent pool as a professional option might encourage women to stick with
the sport. Additionally, more young women may be encouraged to start
playing. THe first professional league may fail...whether its now or in
20 years. But despite it's success or failure, I think whatever time it
may have in existance would better the sport in the long run.
But, no, you are not the only who thinks that. My husband also had
similar comments.
Shannon
<> <> <> Shannon Pelot Valerio <> <> <>
<> Program Coordinator, <>
<> Office of Minority Affairs <>
<> <> <> University of Denver <> <> <>
Native Hockey Players Page:
http://www.du.edu/~svalerio/native.html
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:29:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: 1998 College Club Nationals/CCWHA
Message-ID:
Yes, is anyone out there planning on hosting the club championships?
What about the winner from last year?
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:06:36 -0400
From: "Kenneth R. Veze"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Shelley Looney Article
Message-ID:
For any interested list members. The Hockey News' 1997-98 Yearbook has an
outstanding three page article on Team USA's Shelley Looney. Check it out!
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:08:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Young Womens hockey in eastern Ma.
Message-ID:
In regard to Haverhill... it would be good if there could be a "womens"
team/league out of that rink.
News on new rinks: Exeter NH is going to build a rink.
Hooksett, NH got their driveway permit and
supposedly broke ground on 8-19-97 they may not make the December 1997
opening but atleast they are on their way.
Derry/Salem, NH are supposedly still working
on a rink as well.
Now we just need some more women's teams of a good caliber.
I'm going to Lake Placid this weekend and that should be some good women's
hockey.
L8R
michelle email@hidden
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:47:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: USA/Canada exhibition games in San Jose
Message-ID:
Do you know if the San Jose game will be at the arena where the sharks play?
Do we contact them for tickets?
Thanks for the info.
Bridget
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 23:06:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Shelley Looney Article
Message-ID:
THN's yearbook is out already? Cool! Where did you see it? It hasn't hit
around here yet, unfortunately....
Lisa Evans
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 23:16:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's pro league
Message-ID:
I think Chuck has a point about a WNHL - it's way too early to do this and
have it be anything more than a one or two year wonder. I mean, there aren't
enough women's NCAA teams for a sanctioned tournament yet!
Women's pro basketball is working now after literally two decades of struggle
on the part of Division I coaches and players, plus heavy media coverage of
the women's Final Four, plenty of games on ESPN and ESPN2, UConn's undefeated
season (led by Rebecca Lobo), *and* that wonderful Olympic win last year.
Most people don't even know women's hockey exists. There *might* be enough
talent for a small pro league (6 teams at the most - Original Six, anyone? :)
), but trying to force it now could be disastrous. It was nearly a decade
after the Liberty Basketball League's one game before anyone tried a women's
pro league in America.
I think they should wait at least for two Olympiads, ideally three. This may
be too much to ask in a world that's increasingly run by Phil Knight and Bill
Gates, but it may be necessary for the good of the sport. Let women's hockey
grow on its own, and have a really charismatic break-out figure (like Rebecca
Lobo). Let the women's ECAC tournament attract some attention on ESPN2, and
let registration rise to the point where the very idea doesn't make the
average sports fan snicker.
*Then* try it. I think a women's pro league is a real possibility for the
early years of the next century. Having one next year would be a case of
greed winning out over good sense.
Lisa Evans
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:59:58 +0000
From: "Jay Provost"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: QUESTIONS?
Message-ID:
> Ask what a good major in college would be if you want to be a coach...
> Please.
>
Anything that can lead to a marketable job skills during the cycles
of unemployment the all coaches face, and maybe a minor in
management.
Jay
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:07:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's pro league
Message-ID:
By the way, Jack Falla is (was?) a writing professor at Boston University. I
had the privilege of having him step into our class for a day. He used to
write for Sports Illustrated and interviewed Wayne Gretzgy a number of times.
The third time he interviewed Gretz, he needed a different angle and asked
the coach of the Oilers if he could skate with the team on a few drills. A
skater himself, he paid close attention to the way Gretz skated and noticed
that he seemed to glide over the ice rather than scrape and pound the way
other great skaters do.
Just a little tid-bit.
Jenn
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:14:20 -0400
From: David Cosio
To: "'email@hidden'"
Subject: Native Players (was RE: Women's pro league)
Message-ID:
Shannon,
I took a look at your web page. In a word, awesome. I had the
opportunity
to play with both Stan and Keith Jonathan after they retired from the
pro
ranks. They were playing in a Senior league out here in Haverhill Ma.
for
a few years before moving back home. I was wondering if you have any
info
on them. We had some realy fun times both on and off the ice. I also
hope that Stan will be one of your past stars that will be featured on
your
web page.
-Dave
>----------
>From: Shannon[SMTP:email@hidden]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 1997 4:16 PM
>To: Subscribers to
>Subject: Re: Women's pro league
>
>On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Chuck Collins wrote:
>
>> There are a couple of reasons I say this. First, the recent Women's World
>> Championships demonstrated that there are only 3 competitive teams at the
>> highest (Olympic) level. While it's probably true that Canada and the U.S.
>> could probably split up into 3 teams each and still make up 6 of the top 7,
>> that's still a fairly slim talent pool to start a league.
>
>I think this is a pessimistic approach, and undermines the ability
>throughout North America. I think the structure and the development of
>organized womens hockey is such that it may be harder to find the talent
>(men have several tiers of Junior Hockey as well as College). A league
>may small, but didn't the NHL start with only 6 teams? :)
>
>> In other words, the sport has not grown enough at this point to make a
>> professional league viable. And it will be too easy for the failure of a
>> professional league to be taken as a sign that the sport itself is without
>> merit.
>
>I see your points, but I'm sure if the development stage of the sport
>would be the make-or-break point. I think there are many other factors
>that would have much more influence, such as sponsorship and other
>support--none of which I see changing dramatically with the development
>of the sport.
>
>I personally feel that such a league would be a catalyst in augmenting the
>talent pool as a professional option might encourage women to stick with
>the sport. Additionally, more young women may be encouraged to start
>playing. THe first professional league may fail...whether its now or in
>20 years. But despite it's success or failure, I think whatever time it
>may have in existance would better the sport in the long run.
>
>But, no, you are not the only who thinks that. My husband also had
>similar comments.
>
>Shannon
>
>
><> <> <> Shannon Pelot Valerio <> <> <>
><> Program Coordinator, <>
><> Office of Minority Affairs <>
><> <> <> University of Denver <> <> <>
>
>Native Hockey Players Page:
>http://www.du.edu/~svalerio/native.html
>
>
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:16:38 -0400
From: David Cosio
To: "'email@hidden'"
Subject: Lack of coffe (RE: Women's pro league)
Message-ID:
This is my second appology in two days, jeees. Sorry for wasting
the bandwidth. I ment to send that mail to Shannon not the whole list.
Sheepishly
-Dave
>----------
>From: Shannon[SMTP:email@hidden]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 1997 4:16 PM
>To: Subscribers to
>Subject: Re: Women's pro league
>
>On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Chuck Collins wrote:
>
>> There are a couple of reasons I say this. First, the recent Women's World
>> Championships demonstrated that there are only 3 competitive teams at the
>> highest (Olympic) level. While it's probably true that Canada and the U.S.
>> could probably split up into 3 teams each and still make up 6 of the top 7,
>> that's still a fairly slim talent pool to start a league.
>
>I think this is a pessimistic approach, and undermines the ability
>throughout North America. I think the structure and the development of
>organized womens hockey is such that it may be harder to find the talent
>(men have several tiers of Junior Hockey as well as College). A league
>may small, but didn't the NHL start with only 6 teams? :)
>
>> In other words, the sport has not grown enough at this point to make a
>> professional league viable. And it will be too easy for the failure of a
>> professional league to be taken as a sign that the sport itself is without
>> merit.
>
>I see your points, but I'm sure if the development stage of the sport
>would be the make-or-break point. I think there are many other factors
>that would have much more influence, such as sponsorship and other
>support--none of which I see changing dramatically with the development
>of the sport.
>
>I personally feel that such a league would be a catalyst in augmenting the
>talent pool as a professional option might encourage women to stick with
>the sport. Additionally, more young women may be encouraged to start
>playing. THe first professional league may fail...whether its now or in
>20 years. But despite it's success or failure, I think whatever time it
>may have in existance would better the sport in the long run.
>
>But, no, you are not the only who thinks that. My husband also had
>similar comments.
>
>Shannon
>
>
><> <> <> Shannon Pelot Valerio <> <> <>
><> Program Coordinator, <>
><> Office of Minority Affairs <>
><> <> <> University of Denver <> <> <>
>
>Native Hockey Players Page:
>http://www.du.edu/~svalerio/native.html
>
>
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:51:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's pro league
Message-ID:
The establishment of a women's professional hockey league would not be driven
by greed. The fundamental reason for the formation of a professional women's
ice hockey league is simply...opportunity.
Sport psych...Basic Needs.
1)Physiological needs - health & fitness
2) safety needs - adequate and safe facilitities & arrangements
3) belonging needs - affiliation with other people
4) esteem needs - self-respect and the respect of others
5) SELF-ACTUALIZATION - REALIZATION OF ONE"S FULL POTENTIAL... POSITIVE ROLE
MODELS.
As someone mentioned, a pro league will serve to provide inspiration and
motivation to thousands of women at all ages and skill levels interested in
participating in ice hockey. That is the reasoning behind a women's pro
league. That is why the elite players want to play. Women's ice hockey
tends to have more character than any other sport I have been involved in,
both on and off the ice. Solidarity & community. The basis for the most
successful sports in our culture has always been at the grassroots level.
And...The NHL did start with 6.
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 06:04:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jessica Yeo
To: email@hidden
Subject: THN
Message-ID:
My arents have a subscription to THN and we havent received the
yearbook.
J Yeo
ICQ # 1146336
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