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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 666
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Women's pro league
by Susan Gottfried
2) Re: Women's pro league
by email@hidden
3) Re: Women's pro league
by Jennifer Bowdoin
4) RE: Error Condition Re: (no subject)
by David Cosio
5) Young Womens hockey in eastern Ma.
by David Cosio
6) my web page
by email@hidden
7) Re: Women's pro league
by email@hidden
8) Re: Women's pro league
by
9) 1998 College Club Nationals/CCWHA
by "erin russ"
10) QUESTIONS?
by email@hidden (Liam, Agnes & Daniel Coughlan)
11) Re: Women's pro league
by Shannon
12) Women's Results for 1997 NARCh, Vancouver, BC
by Andria Hunter
13) Rheaume and Dube competed at NARCh
by Andria Hunter
14) Re:My Daughter Made A Traveling (Rep) Team!!!
by Tina JW Danzig
15) Re: Women's pro league
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
16) Re: Women's pro league
by email@hidden
17) Thanks to all replies
by David Cosio
18) RE: Women's pro league
by David Cosio
19) RE: My Daughter Made A Traveling (Rep) Team!!!
by David Cosio
20) Re: Women's pro league -Reply
by "Joanna L. Avery"
21) USA/Canada exhibition games
by "Joanna L. Avery"
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:29:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Susan Gottfried
To: email@hidden
Cc: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Women's pro league
Message-ID:
While we're on the subject, USA Today ran an article about a possible
women's pro league -- and named two men who were thinking and trying to
get it started.
Anyone know more about it? -- or how to get in touch with these men to
get one of the teams in your/my city?
Susan
Susan Helene Gottfried
Assistant Coach, Chatham College Club Hockey
Author of the Erroll Weiss Hockey novels (pub. pending)
and out in the 'burbs of Mr. Roger's Neighborhood
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:15:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's pro league
Message-ID:
Who were the two men mentioned in the article who are starting the league?
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:54:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jennifer Bowdoin
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Women's pro league
Message-ID:
The two men are Don Wilson and Ed Saunders.
A few years ago, there were rumors that a few college coaches (ECAC Div.
1) were also trying to organize a women's pro league. Things never worked
out, I think because of personal conflicts and lack of support from other
hockey officials, the press, the public, etc. As much as I would like to
see a women's pro league, I'm not sure there is enough support now either.
Hopefully, in a few years, there will be more support. Of course, that
depends alot upon how the Olympics go and upon the success of the WNBA. I
also think that the quality of college hockey needs to improve and that
women's hockey needs to be an NCAA-sanctioned sport, which means that
there need to be more teams.
On Tue, 19 Aug 1997 email@hidden wrote:
> Who were the two men mentioned in the article who are starting the league?
>
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:03:02 -0400
From: David Cosio
To: "'email@hidden'"
Cc: "'email@hidden'"
Subject: RE: Error Condition Re: (no subject)
Message-ID:
My most humble apologies for sending that Subscribe
mail to this list. I wasn't paying close attention to the FAQ.
>-Dave
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:49:03 -0400
From: David Cosio
To: "'email@hidden'"
Subject: Young Womens hockey in eastern Ma.
Message-ID:
I have been searching for two days now for a young womens
hockey program in eastern Mass. I was wondering if any of you
folks on this list know of any. My daughter played for Haverhill youth
hockey last year. She loves hockey ( She will be the 3rd generation too)
and she doesn't want to miss a season. Why don't I keep here in
Haverhill?
The Haverhill program is in deep financial trouble. They are trying to
balance
thier books on the backs of the members in good standing. Hockey is
expensive enough as it is and I don't feel as if we have to spend an
extra
$200/yr to bail out poor collection practices!!
-Dave
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:27:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: my web page
Message-ID:
thanks for all the suggestion, although I can't use a lot of them. I live in
colorado, the only hockey you hear about around here are the Avalanche. and I
haven't heard of very many women hockey players, Anyways here's the address:
http://members.aol.com/jen29h/index.html
and since that doesn't work most of the time here's the link Jen29H's Home Page
It's really dumb sometimes, it won't let you get into it by typing the
address sometimes.
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:10:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's pro league
Message-ID:
Jen - the women's games will be broadcast (probably on tape delay) over CBS
in the states. If CBS goes by its usual hockey coverage, they'll show
highlights of the non-medal games for both sexes, the men's medal round in
its entirety, and *probably* show the women's gold medal game.
Unfortunately, women's hockey will be competing for air time with another
so-called "women's sport" - figure skating. I would also bet on lots of
drippy profiles of players who have suffered from any hardship greater than a
sprained toe (Vicky Sunohara's substance abuse problems and Cammi Granato's
brother's illness should get the full blown treatment, poor things), and lots
of talk about "delicate girls playing such a rough sport."
God willing, the CBC will have better coverage. Does anyone have any details
(like Andria????)?
Lisa Evans
Springfield, MA
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 16:01:52 -0700
From:
To:
Subject: Re: Women's pro league
Message-ID:
Hi, Lisa.
In your previous post, you wrote:
>Unfortunately, women's hockey will be competing for air time with another
>so-called "women's sport" - figure skating.
I don't want to be a pain in the butt, but I think we're all working to
help ALL women's sports gain respect. By taking this attitude toward
figure skating -- or any other sport -- we really undermine women's
respect in all sports.
I know that figure skating has a bad reputation because of the focus on
superficial beauty, eating disorders, unsports-woman-like conduct, etc.
But the fact remains that these women are athletes: they train hard, they
take their sport seriously, they're dedicated. Just like women hockey
players. And women volleyball players .... and women runners .... and
women softball players .....
I agree that it's unfortunate that women's ice hockey may not get the
coverage it deserves. I would love it if all of the women's sports got
the fanfare coverage that figure skating does. I expect that my favorite
sport (triathlon) won't get the converage I think it deserves at the
Sydney games either. But we should be celebrating the new additions of
these sports to the Olympics -- and supporting all women's sports so the
world will realize that women can play any sport they want to.
Ranting with a smile,
Melissa Joulwan
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Melissa Joulwan
Go, girl! Magazine http://www.gogirlmag.com
415-332-4134
Go, girl! is a bi-weekly magazine dedicated to getting women of all
ages and fitness levels involved in sports.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 02:20:14
From: "erin russ"
To: email@hidden
Subject: 1998 College Club Nationals/CCWHA
Message-ID:
Does anyone know if plans are being made for next year's college club
nationals? Has anyone expressed interest in hosting them?
Also, is anyone from the CCWHA on the list? Please e-mail me privately if
you are.
Thanks!
Erin Russ #11
U of Minnesota club team
email@hidden
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:27:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: email@hidden (Liam, Agnes & Daniel Coughlan)
To: email@hidden
Subject: QUESTIONS?
Message-ID:
Hi Everybody!
Tommorrow, Shannon Miller, Hayley Wickenheiser, Danielle Dube as well as
Kathy Berg Head Coach of the Alberta Under 18 team will be on the ice at our
associaiton hockey camp, and then we will have an autograph session and a
question and answer session. Does anybody on the list have questions that
they are dying to ask the above coaches and players from Team Canada? If
so, email them to me, and I will ask them on your behalf!
Liam
P.S. visit our site at www.winfonet.com/Tricities
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:38:13 -0600 (MDT)
From: Shannon
To: email@hidden
Cc: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Women's pro league
Message-ID:
On Tue, 19 Aug 1997 email@hidden wrote:
> >Unfortunately, women's hockey will be competing for air time with another
> >so-called "women's sport" - figure skating.
>
> I don't want to be a pain in the butt, but I think we're all working to
> help ALL women's sports gain respect. By taking this attitude toward
> figure skating -- or any other sport -- we really undermine women's
> respect in all sports.
>
> I know that figure skating has a bad reputation because of the focus on
> superficial beauty, eating disorders, unsports-woman-like conduct, etc.
I may be wrong, but I don't think that Lisa meant this as a bash to
women's figure skating. I think what she was probably trying to say is
that it is the women's sport that will be shown will be the one that the
media and public see as the most "appropriate" womens sport--the one that
is most accepted for women to participate in, and doesn't pose a threat to
the traditional "masculine" sports.
Despite the fact that there has been an attempt to show more womens
sports, those of us involved in womens hockey realize the sad truth that
there is more resistance to our sport than people are willing to openly
admit, and that the media will cater to the public and show the
"traditional" female sport, hence only reinforcing that this is *the*
sport for female athletes, and any young girl thinking about strapping on
the skates also needs to put on a skirt.
I don't think anyone here undermines the athleticism of figure
skaters...lord knows I certainly couldn't do a tripple toe loops...but I
think we do resent the fact that our options are presented as limmited
in the sports world.
Oops...didn't mean to make that so long!
Shannon
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:40:49 -0400
From: Andria Hunter
To: email@hidden
Subject: Women's Results for 1997 NARCh, Vancouver, BC
Message-ID:
Here are the results of the women's division of the 1997 North American
Roller Hockey Championship (NARCh), which was held in Vancouver, BC
last week. The women's division had 12 teams which competed in three
round robin pools. The top two teams overall after round robin
play (based on highest points (P) and lowest goals against (GA))
advanced directly to the semi-finals. The next top four teams overall
competed in the quarter-finals. All games in the women's division took
place from Thu Aug 14 until Sat Aug 16. These results are also
available on the web page at:
http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~andria/Roller_Hockey/NARCh_97.html
Round Robin Play (Aug 14-15):
Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Totals Place
GF A P GF A P GF A P GF GA P
POOL A
Black Widows, S. California 2 4 0 2 3 0 1 2 0 5 9 0 4th
Toronto Mission/Kuzak Hurricane 4 0 2 3 2 2 1 4 0 8 6 4 2nd
Team Gear, S. California 0 4 0 2 1 2 1 4 0 3 9 2 3rd
West Coast Revolution, BC 4 2 0 4 1 2 4 1 2 12 4 6 1st
POOL B
Felines, Colorado 0 2 0 0 8 0 0 6 0 0 16 0 4th
Toronto Franklin/Labeda Typhoon 8 4 0 9 1 2 8 0 2 22 5 6 1st
Team Hystyk, British Columbia 2 0 2 1 9 0 1 3 0 4 12 2 3rd
Team Mission, S. California 4 8 0 3 1 2 6 0 2 13 9 4 2nd
POOL C
Femme Fatale, S. California 0 5 0 3 2 2 1 0 2 10 7 4 2nd
Toronto Nike Cyclone 5 0 2 9 1 2 10 2 2 24 3 6 1st
Salem Capitals, Oregon 0 3 0 1 9 0 0 1 0 1 19 0 4th
San Diego Riptide, S. Calif. 3 0 2 2 3 0 2 6 0 7 13 2 3rd
Saturday August 16th, 1997:
Quarter Finals:
7:00 am Toronto Mission 3 -vs- Team Mission CA 2 (OT)
7:40 am Toronto Franklin 6 -vs- Femme Fatale CA 3
Semi Finals:
4:30 pm Toronto Mission 0 -vs- Toronto Nike 4
5:15 pm Toronto Franklin 7 -vs- West Coast Revolution BC 1
Finals:
6:50 pm Toronto Mission 4 -vs- West Coast Revolution BC 1 (BRONZE)
7:30 pm Toronto Franklin 2 -vs- Toronto Nike 3 (GOLD)
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Final Placings
1. Toronto Nike Cyclone, Ontario, Canada
2. Toronto Franklin Labeda Typhoon, Ontario, Canada
3. Toronto Mission Kuzak Hurricane, Ontario, Canada
4. West Coast Revolution, British Columbia, Canada
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Individual Awards
High Scorer: Two players tied with 12 points (round robin play only):
Geraldine Heaney, Toronto Franklin Typhoon
Andria Hunter, Toronto Franklin Typhoon
(each were given a pair of Fila Skates)
Most Valuable Goalie:
Goalie from West Coast Revolution team
Most Valuable Player:
No most valuable player award was given this year.
---
Andria
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:22:41 -0400
From: Andria Hunter
To: email@hidden
Subject: Rheaume and Dube competed at NARCh
Message-ID:
I thought you might be interested to know that both Manon Rheaume and
Danielle Dube, who have previously played for Team Canada
(Rheaume 92&94 World Championship, and Dube 97 World Championship),
competed at NARCh. Both were forwards for the Black Widow team.
They did very well ... much better than I could ever do if I
played in net ... that's for sure!! :-)
I also forgot to mention in my last message that the 8 goal mercy
rule was in effect for the 1997 NARCh. As soon as one team was
leading by 8 goals, the game was stopped.
Andria
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:50:00 -0400
From: Tina JW Danzig
To: "INTERNET:email@hidden"
Subject: Re:My Daughter Made A Traveling (Rep) Team!!!
Message-ID:
I'm very excited to report that my 11 year old daughter made a Pee Wee B
Rep Team. This is the first year that she found a coach that didn't
discriminate against girls. She's the only girl on the team, but deserves
to be there, she does a great job.
Now I have to come up with some fundraising ideas to help pay for it. Does
anyone have any good ideas? All ideas would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Tina
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:56:41 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's pro league
Message-ID:
>On Tue, 19 Aug 1997 email@hidden wrote:
>
>> >Unfortunately, women's hockey will be competing for air time with another
>> >so-called "women's sport" - figure skating.
>>
During the Summer games, the media was fair to gymnastics AND basketball,
baseball, and showed to a lesser extent, volleyball, beach volleyball (now
there's a sport!) etc. Why would we expect less during the winter. I have
always thought that air time was meted out on patriotic lines. When did
they ever show archery? When a young American boy got the gold, and never
before. There is no use in jumping the gun. In the meantime, let the
network (whoever is broadcasting the games) know what you want to see.
Apparently they consider one letter or e-mail the tip of the iceberg. One
hundred letters would be an absolute landslide!
Debbie
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:11:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's pro league
Message-ID:
Thanks, Shannon - that's *exactly* what I meant. Gymnastics and ice skating
are grueling, and the training often verges on child abuse, but they *look*
graceful and feminine, and at least in figure skating, makeup, costume and
hairstyle are part of the judging (under "artistic impression"). Women
actually sweat when they play hockey, and it isn't graceful and dainty. I
therefore expect the figure skaters to get a lot more air time than the
hockey team.
Lisa Evans
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:23:52 -0400
From: David Cosio
To: "'email@hidden'"
Subject: Thanks to all replies
Message-ID:
Thank you very much for all your replies. As a newbie to this
list it is refreshing to see that this list informational and
close-knit,
(but isn't it that way with hockey folks anyway) ; )
After giving Amy (our daughter) all the info from you folks and
discussing
it with her she is adamant about playing with the boys. So her first
pre-tryout
practice is thursday night with the Haverhill program and tryouts are
tuesday.
Thanks especialy to Patti and Julie, your info was great.
>From the Gallery
-Dave
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:34:16 -0400
From: David Cosio
To: "'email@hidden'"
Subject: RE: Women's pro league
Message-ID:
I think one of the things that factors in here too, is Hockey as a sport
has not caught on to the same level as figure skating or football or
basketball.
It may be regionalized. As a parent of a female hockey player and as a
2nd
generation player myself I think that is a terrible shame. To bad FOX
wasn't
doing the Olympics I think they would do a better job with it, save that
damn
blue dot.
from the gallery
-Dave
>----------
>From: Shannon[SMTP:email@hidden]
>Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 1997 9:53 PM
>To: Subscribers to
>Subject: Re: Women's pro league
>
>On Tue, 19 Aug 1997 email@hidden wrote:
>
>> >Unfortunately, women's hockey will be competing for air time with another
>> >so-called "women's sport" - figure skating.
>>
>> I don't want to be a pain in the butt, but I think we're all working to
>> help ALL women's sports gain respect. By taking this attitude toward
>> figure skating -- or any other sport -- we really undermine women's
>> respect in all sports.
>>
>> I know that figure skating has a bad reputation because of the focus on
>> superficial beauty, eating disorders, unsports-woman-like conduct, etc.
>
>I may be wrong, but I don't think that Lisa meant this as a bash to
>women's figure skating. I think what she was probably trying to say is
>that it is the women's sport that will be shown will be the one that the
>media and public see as the most "appropriate" womens sport--the one that
>is most accepted for women to participate in, and doesn't pose a threat to
>the traditional "masculine" sports.
>
>Despite the fact that there has been an attempt to show more womens
>sports, those of us involved in womens hockey realize the sad truth that
>there is more resistance to our sport than people are willing to openly
>admit, and that the media will cater to the public and show the
>"traditional" female sport, hence only reinforcing that this is *the*
>sport for female athletes, and any young girl thinking about strapping on
>the skates also needs to put on a skirt.
>
>I don't think anyone here undermines the athleticism of figure
>skaters...lord knows I certainly couldn't do a tripple toe loops...but I
>think we do resent the fact that our options are presented as limmited
>in the sports world.
>
>Oops...didn't mean to make that so long!
>
>Shannon
>
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:43:53 -0400
From: David Cosio
To: "'email@hidden'"
Subject: RE: My Daughter Made A Traveling (Rep) Team!!!
Message-ID:
>
>>I'm very excited to report that my 11 year old daughter made a Pee Wee >B
>>Rep Team. This is the first year that she found a coach that didn't
>>discriminate against girls. .
I am shocked at this. I guess I should feel fortunate that the Haverhill
program
hasn't had any of this. At least not yet.
>>Now I have to come up with some fundraising ideas to help pay for it. >Does
>>anyone have any good ideas? All ideas would be appreciated.
>
Do you live in eastern Mass. I am a PTO Chairman and am constantly
inandated with fundraising stuff. Some casual advise though, don't even
>concider the fundraiser if they offer less than %40 profit.
-Dave
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:17:06 -0400
From: "Joanna L. Avery"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Women's pro league -Reply
Message-ID:
Keep in mind that whether or not figure skating is considered more
"appropriate" for women or not, the coverage it gets is also based on
sponsors. They know that this is what the public wants to see and
therefore that's the sport that they are going to sponsor (want to get the
consumer dollars, you know). Maybe this will change over time, but
figure skating has been the top draw of the winter olympics for a long
time and it will take some time to dethrone them.
Keep supporting women's hockey and be patient.
>>> Shannon 08/19/97 09:53pm >>>
On Tue, 19 Aug 1997 email@hidden wrote:
> >Unfortunately, women's hockey will be competing for air time with
another
> >so-called "women's sport" - figure skating.
>
> I don't want to be a pain in the butt, but I think we're all working to
> help ALL women's sports gain respect. By taking this attitude toward
> figure skating -- or any other sport -- we really undermine women's
> respect in all sports.
>
> I know that figure skating has a bad reputation because of the focus
on
> superficial beauty, eating disorders, unsports-woman-like conduct, etc.
I may be wrong, but I don't think that Lisa meant this as a bash to
women's figure skating. I think what she was probably trying to say is
that it is the women's sport that will be shown will be the one that the
media and public see as the most "appropriate" womens sport--the one
that
is most accepted for women to participate in, and doesn't pose a threat
to
the traditional "masculine" sports.
Despite the fact that there has been an attempt to show more womens
sports, those of us involved in womens hockey realize the sad truth that
there is more resistance to our sport than people are willing to openly
admit, and that the media will cater to the public and show the
"traditional" female sport, hence only reinforcing that this is *the*
sport for female athletes, and any young girl thinking about strapping on
the skates also needs to put on a skirt.
I don't think anyone here undermines the athleticism of figure
skaters...lord knows I certainly couldn't do a tripple toe loops...but I
think we do resent the fact that our options are presented as limmited
in the sports world.
Oops...didn't mean to make that so long!
Shannon
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:48:17 -0400
From: "Joanna L. Avery"
To: email@hidden
Subject: USA/Canada exhibition games
Message-ID:
Does anyone know about the schedule of exhibition games for Team
USA and Team Canada? I heard they would be facing off against each
other in the Maritimes, Toronto and Boston in early November. Does
anyone have any definate dates?
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