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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 531
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) My view of the World
by email@hidden
2) RE: My view of the World
by "HARRIS, zharris"
3) Women's Spring League/MARLBORO, MA
by email@hidden
4) Team Michigan results?
by "Scott Perkins"
5) Nike skates
by "Laura Halldorson"
6) Nationals
by Alicia L Roberts
7) Tri-Cities Pre-Registration
by email@hidden (Liam, Agnes & Daniel Coughlan)
8) The WWC: My view
by Nick Heim
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Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 08:57:50 -0600
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: My view of the World
Message-ID:
Laundry isn't done yet..but I'm back to work yesterday and went
through a batch of not only work related e-mail's, but
women-in-hockey ones. The play-by-play for the championship game was
cute...too bad the States couldn't have broadcast the game. Some
people here in Minnesota thought that they could get it via satellite
at larger "sports bars" but I guess not.
My view of the championship game: Very bad officiating and I agree
with a couple of other comments on it - had it been CONSISTENT it
would have been tolerable. And in no way, shape, or form do I think
that it caused the US to lose. And I do not agree that only women
should officiate women's games and that they should learn by doing
the highest level game in the world of women's hockey! Men would
NEVER tolerate having "learning" or "bad" officials out on the ice
with them at such an important game. The organizing committee of the
tournament did an absolutely EXCELLENT JOB with the tournament.
EVERYTHING was wonderful, but their lack of foresight and who ever
with IIHF that approved the women only officiating obviously were not
thinking ahead to the championship game and who might end up doing
it! You do not put a first year college student going into education
in the classroom to teach...they learn first! Perhaps these
countries that have lower level women officials should send them to
the States or Canada to learn in our lower level women's leagues and
then they can move up so that they can do the important games. BOTH
TEAMS were equally as horrible on the ice. I do not mind a physical
game - however, that game more resembled a really bad men's NHL game
than a WOMAN's game. In fact...it disgusted me. The stickwork was
horrible...crotch shots are the worst and I saw a few (& not only
just in the championship game, but others). The players on the ice
for the championship game are TOO SKILLED to have to resort to the
clutching, grabbing, hooking, holding, high sticks, lousy stickwork
(men's) game that I saw out there. I know that all they had to do
was exert a few more strides on the ice and they could have ridden
the player off the puck or done a nice stick check to take the puck
away. I certainly hope the women's game doesn't come to the game I
saw displayed on the ice, because it is clearly not the skilled game
I have grown to love. I have heard men who have been in hockey for
years - even men who are "powers to be" so to speak, say that a GOOD
womans game is how hockey was MEANT TO BE PLAYED. Both the US and
Canada need to get back to that! By the time I saw China play it was
later in the tournament...however the stories I heard about them
standing at the blue line with their sticks a neck level in the
earlier games obviously wasn't tolerated (thank goodness) by the IIHF
because by the time I saw them it was pretty much under control.
Thanks, Kitchner for a absolutely well-run tournament (well, as I
said except for the officiating in the final game). The between
periods entertainment was GREAT...especially the "older ladies" of
hockey and the "younguns" out there! I especially had tears in my
eyes during the history of women's hockey in Canada, from the old to
the young and the presentation of the Olympic "flag". EXCELLENT!
And, I loved the Canadian Mounted Police...sweet! Thanks again,
Kitchner!
Dorene
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 97 08:53:00 -0700
From: "HARRIS, zharris"
To: email@hidden, email@hidden (subscribers to)
Subject: RE: My view of the World
Message-ID:
Dorene-
Well-said as always. I agree totally with your post!
While I did not see the Worlds I thought your comments were right-on in
respect to the play of women's hockey! I would hate to see the game ruined
by this type of play.
We have experienced this type of play before at high level tournaments. It
was allowed by the refs, and I think, mainly because the Officials of the
tournaments tell the refs "to let them play!" I see these Officials as
out-of-touch with women's hockey and with the state of youth hockey today.
It is a shame and a travesty, especially with very skilled teams. The end
result basically is that the cheap team wins. On a youth level, what does
that teach the kids? What kind of lesson is learned.... well, unfortunately
a bad one, that I am sure will transpire again both on and off the ice.
We've also experienced refs at at high level tournament finals that had
NEVER reffed a women's game before and let all this type of play go on.
What I am most concerned with is where the direction women's hockey is
going. I think what you've described and what I've recently experienced is
a sad day for women's hockey... and it foreshadows what women's hockey is
going to turn into... if we are not careful. This worries me to no end. I
too love the finesse of the women's game and by no means wish to imitate
the men's style of hockey.
How do we prevent this from happening? Well, I do believe it has to come
from the training of refs. They are the ones that control the game. I, as
a coach can do only so much to control my players -- cheap play is NOT
allowed on our team and we have benched a few for pulling such stunts.
Coaches must do their part. THank goodness the kids get the picture and
don't pull those types of actions. But after that, the ref is the one who
is responsible for controling the game. They are the ones that set the
"flow" from the start. That is why I think that the refs will determine the
future of "how" women's ice hockey is played. This is not a bad thing, it
just needs to recognized early on. Besides that, the Officials that run
such tournaments are the responsible ones for picking, choosing, and
preparing the refs for setting the pace.... and keeping women's hockey so
special.
My 2 cents-
Zoe
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 14:31:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Women's Spring League/MARLBORO, MA
Message-ID:
Hi
I've started a new Bronze Level team for the spring league, (and for the next
fall season, if all goes well) but I need 4-6 more SKATERS and a GOALIE!!!
Hopefully, the following information will answer most questions.
Women's Spring League/MARLBORO, MA
Level of this team: Bronze; the spring league is not really split into
levels. I'm told all levels are welcome. We play all of the other teams
regardless of level.
Bronze level is also know as C level. There are three levels A/Gold,
B/Silver and C/Bronze. A/Gold level being the highest. The best way I can
describe the C level is: Recreational. You should at least know the rules
of hockey, and have had some skating experience but you don't have to be a
natural or really good but you should be competitive and aggressive.
Games: Monday nights between 6-9 PM
Where: The New England Sports Center, Marlboro, Massachusetts
Starts: May 5
Ends: Aug 19 (the ONLY game that's on Tuesday night)
Total Games: 14
Two 25 minute periods. Last 2 minutes of each period are stopped time.
Cost per team: $2000.
Per person @ 14 players= $143.
Per person @ 16 players= $125.
***Team shirts will be an additional cost***
***You must be USA Hockey Registered*** ($25 additional registration fee)
***All players must fill out a waiver if you played on a USA Hockey
affiliated team this past season***
If you, or anyone you know are interested in playing, you must contact me
ASAP to make a deposit and reserve yourself a spot.
***There are only 4-7 spots left for this team.***
Whoever contacts me and gets their deposit in first, gets the spot.
hit reply & email me your name, telephone number, and address at:
email@hidden
Or call & leave your name, telephone number, and address
(the machine is always on...) at this number: 617-312-3069 and I will call
you back.
HURRY!
Lisa J. Addario
Team: the STORM 2
Program Director: Stacey Paicos
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:19:20 -0400
From: "Scott Perkins"
To: "\"Subscribers to\" <"
Subject: Team Michigan results?
Message-ID:
Hey,
Does anyone know anything about how the Team Michigan Gazelles(19 and
under)are doing at nationals? I heard they left this Tuesday for Boston,
but nothing else.
I was also wondering if anyone out there lives away from home during the
hockey season to play? I'd really appreciate any information you could give
me on how you organize this what it's like.
Thanks,
Shannon Perkins-#1 K-Wings
email@hidden
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/4576/
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 18:03:29
From: "Laura Halldorson"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Nike skates
Message-ID:
Has anyone skated in the new Nike skates?
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:29:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Alicia L Roberts
To: email@hidden
Subject: Nationals
Message-ID:
I need directions to the US National Tournament games. Can anyone out
there give them to me or did everyone leave already? I also was
wondering when the Michigan Seniors (both teams) and midget team are
playing. Thanks for any help.
Alicia Roberts
UNH Wildcats #31
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Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:47:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: email@hidden (Liam, Agnes & Daniel Coughlan)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Tri-Cities Pre-Registration
Message-ID:
The Tricities Female Ice Hockey Association is now accept Pre-Registration
of Players in order to determine the ice needs for the coming year.
Pre-Registration is open to all girls ages 6 to 20 for the 1997/98 ice
hockey season.
The girls must be residents of The City of Coquitlam, The City of Port
Coquitlam, The City of Port Moody, The Village of Anmore, or the Village of
Belcarra.
In addition, applications for coaches and managers for the new PeeWee teams
will now be accepted.
email with a)players name
b)address
c)birthdate
d)phone #
For players age 21 and over please see the team contact page at
www.winfonet.com/Tricities/teams.html
Thanks,
Liam
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Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:51:38 +0200
From: Nick Heim
To: email@hidden
Subject: The WWC: My view
Message-ID:
Just back from the worlds in Kitchener. I've been there, mainly to broaden
my view as a coach in swiss womens hockey. Now i'm reading a lot about bad
refs and worse playing! I saw the things a little bit different there.
I don't know what these people were expecting, maybe superclean hockey,
whatever that should be. The fact is, this was the highest thing a womens
player can get to, right now, so don't expect wonders on the fairplay side.
To the refs: I've not seen one game decided by a ref, and that's the most
important thing, i.m.h.o. I agree that they could do better, but so could
everybody there.
I've read a lot about, that the european refs were bad, i disagree with that.
I think, officiating is first of all experience, and like someone mentioned
before, were the hell should these refs get it, when not at such tournaments?
In the Ontario AAA league? May be, but even in this league, the difference
in skills is very big, so the intensity an speed in the games isn't never
comparable with WWC Games. To other national leagues the gap is even bigger.
So what are the problems now:
There are the european female refs, who all are officiating mens games on a
higher level (Dombrowski for ex. is in the third highest swiss league one
of the best, and they play a lot faster then the WWC was). But the they
have only a few experience with womens hockey, so they have sometimes
troubles with the checking rule, but, and that's far more important, they
are used to the speed and see also the "real" fouls like slashing, hooking,
holding the stick etc. These refs are also used to set a standard at the
beginning of a game and let them play afterwards, but that's a problem with
womens hockey and will ever be, because of the checking rule, which is
interpreted differently by each ref and practically comes to thereshold,
wich especially the northamerican players allways try to extend. Therefor
we need more like teachers, which each small extension of the rules penalize.
The north american refs that i saw at this WWC did maybe a better job with
the checking rule, but they had always trouble with the hidden fouls. I
don't know if somebody also has seen the games Russia-Switzerland and
China-Switzerland, in this games there were a lot of hidden fouls, wich
almost never were called. On the other hand a lot of Bodychecking
Penalties, the least of them were intentional. So what?
Look at the games CAN-FIN and CAN-USA! Both were very important to the
teams, and nonetheless they were totally different played! Sure not due to
the officiating. Then why? Because the Miller and Smith do use the
individual skills from their players do WORK for their weird systems! These
teams didn't play hockey, they WORKED it. As long as these coaches do not
set their focus to individual tactics, their game does not change. It is
just arrogant and to cheap to say, that with different refs everything
would be better. If Dombrowski in the final would've done strictly rule
enforcement, they would have played 3:3 the most of the time!
I was watching the final four in the ECAC this year at Northeastern, it was
just the same.
There was a lot o firing against Dombrowski in this list, the last few
days, the most of them were assuming, she's officiating in the swiss womens
league, wich isn't true, like i mentioned above. I think it is no
coincidence, that she was officiating tree WWC-finals in a row now. I also
think that she could improve a lot, but who else can't.
regards, Nick
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