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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 528
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) WWHC Gold Medal Game
by Dawn Elliott
2) Re: unsubscribe
by email@hidden
3) Re: CANADA WINS
by email@hidden
4) Re: CANADA WINS
by "Jase"
5) Re: CANADA WINS
by alexandra tanja vlahovich
6) Re: CANADA WINS
by alexandra tanja vlahovich
7) Officiating at the WWHC
by Rachelle Thibert
8) Re: unsubscribe
by email@hidden
9) Re: unsubscribe
by mccollum
10) Re: Game Coverage
by email@hidden
11) Opinions on the Gold Medal Game
by Don Page
12) Re: CCM Kevlars
by "Lynn Witkowski"
13) Seattle Tourney Results
by PETER PICKERING
14) opinions on the gold medal game
by "Scott Perkins"
15) Women's all star game
by email@hidden
16) Re: Game Coverage
by Sue Kartman
17) Re: CANADA WINS
by "Ken Luk"
18) Re: USA/Canada
by "Ken Luk"
19) Re: USA/Canada
by "Ken Luk"
20) Re: WWHC Gold Medal Game
by email@hidden (Liam, Agnes & Daniel Coughlan)
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:33:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dawn Elliott
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: WWHC Gold Medal Game
Message-ID:
Well, last night was certainly a nail biter. I have to agree with
everyone that the refs were disgusting. My boyfriend was wondering if men
were allowed to ref women's hockey. It seemed like a silly question at
the time, but does anyone know about this (at the international level?)
Also, does anyone know if these same refs are going to be responsible for
the Nagano Games? That would be embarrassing for women's hockey IMHO.
Did anyone else think that our power play and breakout needed some work?
Our seats were in Canada's end (1st, 2nd, OT) and it was unbelievable the
trouble they had against forechecking teams (including Finland). They
also seemed to panick on the power play. The shots from the point would
be high fluttering shots instead of nice, tippable, low ones.
Oh, and on the replay, it's quite clear that both tip in goals were below
the crossbar. But just the same, we were thinking it was a little poetic
justice, Brett Hull fans.
I also wanted to add a bit about composure. Haley was the player of the
tournament for Canada in terms of presence on the ice, but she has got to
settle down, especially considering the level of play. She took a few
silly penalties in the semi's. Suprisingly, Cassie Campbell's silly
penalties in the final almost cost her team the game. I wonder what
Shannon Miller is addressing today...
I thought it was not that great a game to watch for first timers, but
watching Canada win is always fun (for us Canadians, anyway).
Dawn
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:39:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
Message-ID:
go to plaidworks.com and unsubscribe
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:23:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: CANADA WINS
Message-ID:
Sorry, in exhaustion I used bad grammar that implied Miller was unhappy with
Drolet scoring with a high stick. I meant both Miller and Smith were unhappy
with the officiating overall, both complained about it pretty bluntly, but
also noted that it didn't appear biased, just that the ref couldn't keep up.
Miller said she wouldn't have minded if the ref was consistently calling
things one way or the other, so she could coach accordingly, but "I couldn't
tell where she was coming from." Smith said similar. Players on both sides
also had similar complaints, but most everyone felt it didn't really affect
the outcome except for that Drolet goal (which, of course, Canada felt was
fair and the US didn't. Your call). One of the Toronto papers today had an
interesting take on it: that since the ref was from Switzerland and usually
officiates there, perhaps she wasn't used to the speed of the game (the
Swiss, mind you, came in next-to-last -- I think so, my notes are still in my
suitcase). She did in fact plainly not see Drolet's "high-stick" goal, and
there were many hits that she missed on both sides.
Frankly, the teams looked so evenly matched from the start of the game that
the OT wasn't surprising. Most of the goals came from crashing the net and
cramming in rebounds, not the kind of skate-in-and-score or slapshot stuff
that was happening all week long against the more mismatched teams. These
women really had to work their tails off. Can't wait for Nagano.
Incidentally, Angela James' goal was the second-period one that took a wacky
bounce. Looked to us (on the far side) like it hit a US player, but Whitten
said it just took an odd bounce off the ice and sent her from one goalpost to
the other trying to keep up.
Margaret
Brooklyn Blades
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:21:58 -0400
From: "Jase"
To:
Subject: Re: CANADA WINS
Message-ID:
Rachelle:
Tell me which ref. would have chosen to do that game, did you see all the
games and
evaluate the refs. at each game.I agree the ref. didn't do a good job but
she also let them
play hockey and if the players knew how far the ref would let them go and
when they went
beyond that they were sent to the box, and lets face it she let lots go on
both sides and
that's what made the game so exciting it was one of the best games I seen
in a long time
and the NHL included.It was a game that kept you on the edge of your seat
and could off
went either way and the ref never won that game for Canada and she didn't
lose it the USA.
I don't ref. hockey but I coach girls hockey and let me tell you if that's
the worst you've ever
seen then you haven't been around hockey very long so just remember do the
best you can
and there are always TWO TEAMS on the ice at a hockey game.
Dave Barrett
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> From: Rachelle Thibert
> To: Subscribers to
> Subject: Re: CANADA WINS
> Date: Monday, April 07, 1997 12:40 PM
>
> I was at the game last night, and could not believe my eyes. The lack of
> consitancy on the part of the referee was a disgrace to anyone who wears
> the stripes. As a fairly new official, I have always prided myself with
> not criticizing the refs when they make a bad call since I know it is
> impossible to always make the right one. Until you ref a game or two, you
> cannot fully appreciate how hard it is.
>
> However
>
> Last night's officiating was the worst I have ever seen. Perhaps the
> officials have the same problems as do the players. What I mean is, that
> many countries who's hockey tradition is young and is developing, also
> have officials that are you and just developing. If I were one of the
> officials in last night's game, I think that I would want to crawl into a
> hole for awhile until this cools off and then give hell to whoever
> assigned me to do that game. The ref and linesmen at the game were just
> not ready for that level of play.
>
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:51:11 -0400 ()
From: alexandra tanja vlahovich
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Re: CANADA WINS
Message-ID:
**********************************************************************
Tanja Vlahovich
email@hidden "In seeking your destiny
patience is your ally."
Yoda
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On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Roger A. Dewar wrote:
>
> DON"T FORGET HALEY'S TWO STUPID PENALTIES...especially the second. Totally
> uncalled for. We could use more discipline.
> Roger in London
> >
> >
Haley's slashing penalty would be hard pressed to be considered a penalty
in any game I've ever played.
Tanja Vlahovich
>
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:54:09 -0400 ()
From: alexandra tanja vlahovich
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Re: CANADA WINS
Message-ID:
Well said Rachelle, that's probably the best assessment of the situation
I've heard as of yet.
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Tanja Vlahovich
email@hidden
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:38:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rachelle Thibert
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Officiating at the WWHC
Message-ID:
Dave
I was not referring to the hockey being the worst I have ever seen. Just
the officiating. Both Miller and Smith admitted that if the calls would
have been consistant from one minute to the next, you can coach your
players accordingly. Of the 13 games played at the Auditorium, I watched 9
of them. I always watch the refs and the goalies (I play net too) first,
before I watch the rest of the game. I saw Dombrowski do other games as
well, and it was the same type of inconsistancy that we saw Sunday night.
I'm not suggesting that the ref tried to win or lose the game for any
team, just that in order to do a good job, consistancy is the most
important. I don't know too many players that would want a ref to be
inconsistant.
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 18:18:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
Message-ID:
To get off the mailing list, send a message that includes the word
"UNSUBSCRIBE women-in-hockey" to email@hidden. If you have
questions, e-mail email@hidden.
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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 18:49:39 -0700
From: mccollum
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
Message-ID:
Tom Stebe:
No sorry. I am still waiting for a way to get off this. I just don't
need the extra mail. I don't have any interest in the stuff that is
being put in this newsgroup.
Ryanlynn
(let me know if you find any information and I will do the same for you)
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 19:00:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Game Coverage
Message-ID:
Has anyone seen any newspaper coverage or heard any tv/radio coverage of this
game? If I had not been on this list, I would have had no idea any of this
was happening! I'm in Milwaukee...Then only thing I saw was a photo and a
caption saying something like USA Women Win!
If you know of any articles that may have been printed in my area, please let
me know where they are, I'd like to add them to my collection. I checked the
USA Today today and didn't see anything, but that doesn't mean it's not
there!
Thanks,
Jenn
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email@hidden
New Berlin, WI
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Date: 07 Apr 97 19:47:20 EDT
From: Don Page
To: subscribers
Subject: Opinions on the Gold Medal Game
Message-ID:
there have been a number of questions raised over the game played last night.
This is the first WWC where all of the officials were female. In the past there
have been both male and female officials. The best of the referees here were
from Canada and it would not be appropriate for the Canadian officials to
referee the gold medal game with Canada playing. Some of the lines(wo)men sent
here were not up to the level of play. For that matter many of the referees
would also fall into that same category. During many of the games calls were
being made from great distances away from the play. There were few linesmen who
were experienced enough to understand or experienced enough to recognize that
when the referee was far behind the play on a scoring chance to skate in to be
in position to make a call on a goal. Dumbroski did indeed do the gold medal
game in Lake Placid and it was expected that it was her style to allow much of
the contact to go without being called. However, after last night I think most
of us made an incorrect assumption that she was making a conscious decision to
the call the game in that manner in Lake Placid. It appear last night that she
was very unsure of what she was going to call. The contact calls are very
subjective between what is contact and what is a body check. However, hitting
someone with a stick is very clear to see and easy to make a decision on and as
a result the slashing and tripping calls are no brainers. IMHO after watching
the replays in slow motion, yes I realize the referee does not have this
abiltiy, and I watched it with one of Ontario's top referees, three of the
Canadian goals would not have counted with different officiating. AJ's goal in
the second period was tipped down with a high stick. Knowing AJ and the fact
that AJ is a level four referee, if you noticed her at the bench after the goal
she was not ready to celebrate until the face-off was about to take place at
center-ice. Drolet's second goal at the start of the third period perhaps was
close enough to allow but another referee would be quite justified in not
allowing it because of the height of the stick hitting it into the net. The
final goal in overtime was pushed into the net as the pile occurred in the
crease. On the initial shot, Dupuis is clearly in the crease on the far side and
certainly with the videotape being used in the NHL at this time there is no way
they would have allowed it to stand. The game was great for women's hockey from
creating excitement for the game. But the level of officiating is what many
people are talking about today. Team USA should indeed be congratulated for
their effort and level of play. Their misfortune on the calls of the game will
be very difficult to live with once they see the videotape. Team Canada should
be congratulated for their grit and determination. After this WWC the top three
may be the closest they have ever been, unfortunately the bottom doesn't appear
to be closing the gap. The number of women playing in these other countries is
not at the level necessary to elevate the level of play. China still has great
individual skills but with only one team in the country they will not be able to
improve their game sense and team play. The lack of strong provincial and
national competitions will continue to keep the gap between these countries and
the top three.
Finally congatulations to Lesley Reddon the Canadian goalie. She is from
Mississauga, Ontario not from Fredericton, New Brunswick. she attended UNB to
get her Master of Sport Administration there. She has been in the shadows of all
the other name goalies in Canada for quite awhile, and she deserved to get the
gold medal game. Also, to Gerry Heaney who is the backbone of TCW defense. She
could have taken off as many times as Cassie but played with control of the
defensive ice first. If you check her turnovers and number of blocked shots in
the offensive end she will be ranked above any other defense in the tournament.
Bye for now
DP
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 20:35:46 -0400
From: "Lynn Witkowski"
To:
Subject: Re: CCM Kevlars
Message-ID:
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Debbie,
I don't wear them, but my daughter has a pair of CCM Kevlar 752, and she
loves them. She has never complained about cramps. It is likely that the
skate does not fit you properly. Perhaps the width is wrong or the length.
There shouldn't be any rub or discomfort. My daughter has a wide foot and
wears a size 7 to 7 1/2 shoe and her skate is a size five D width, and they
are still slightly long. My other daughter wears Bauer Composites and her
shoe size is 8 1/2, skate size is 6 1/2.
Hope this helps.
Lynn
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> From: email@hidden
> To: Subscribers to
> Subject: CCM Kevlars
> Date: Sunday, April 06, 1997 2:27 PM
>
> I was wondering if anyone else has the CCM Kevlar skates. I have had
them
> for about one year, and I am still getting cramps in my feet from them.
Does
> anyone else have this problem?
>
> Deborah Brecher
> Chelsea Comets
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Debbie,
I don't wear them, but =
my daughter has a pair of CCM Kevlar 752, and she loves them. She has =
never complained about cramps. It is likely that the skate does not fit =
you properly. Perhaps the width is wrong or the length. There =
shouldn't be any rub or discomfort. My daughter has a wide foot and =
wears a size 7 to 7 1/2 shoe and her skate is a size five D width, and =
they are still slightly long. My other daughter wears Bauer Composites =
and her shoe size is 8 1/2, skate size is 6 1/2.
Hope this =
helps.
Lynn
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> From: email@hidden
> To: Subscribers to <email@hidden>
> Subject: CCM Kevlars
> Date: =
Sunday, April 06, 1997 2:27 PM
>
> I was wondering if =
anyone else has the CCM Kevlar skates. I have had them
> for =
about one year, and I am still getting cramps in my feet from them. =
Does
> anyone else have this problem?
>
> =
Deborah Brecher
> Chelsea Comets
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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 23:01:40 -0700
From: PETER PICKERING
To: "'email@hidden'"
Subject: Seattle Tourney Results
Message-ID:
Here are the results from the 6th Annual Spring Tournament of the Seattle Women's Hockey Club. Sixteen women's teams participated, from Washington, Idaho, California, Oregon, Alaska, and British Columbia. There was an A and a B division.
FINAL RESULTS:
Division B was won by the Pt. Alberni Panthers, British Columbia, in a 4-3 win over Anchorage, Alaska.
Division A was won for the second year in a row by the Kitsilano Kanakas, British Columbia, in a 5-3 win over the Alaska Women's League All-Stars, in a shootout.
ROUND ROBIN
National Training Rinks (Zambonis), BC 1
Kitsilano Kanakas, BC 2
OK Springs Ladner, BC 5
Rose City Bandits, OR 0
N. Vancouver Renegades, BC 6
Kitsilano Phoenix, BC 2
Seattle Puckhawks, WA 1
Gold River, BC 4
Killarney Icebreakers, BC 0
Alaska All Stars, AK 5
Pt. Alberni Panthers, BC 5
Anchorage, AK 3
California Lightening, CA 0
Seattle Wings, WA 3
California Team Abbey, BC 0
Sun Valley Sunsets, ID 5
Alaska Women's League All Stars, AK 4
Kitsilano Kanakas, BC 2
Rose City Bandits, OR 0
Anchorage, AK 8
Seattle Wings, WA 2
Vancouver Renegades, BC 0
Seattle Puckhawks, WA 0
California Team Abbey, CA 1
National Training Rinks (Zambonis), BC 7
Killarney Icebreakers, BC 0
Pt. Alberni, BC 6
OK Springs Ladner, BC 4
California Lightening, CA 4
Kitsilano Phoenix, BC 0
Gold River, BC 0
Sun Valley Sunsets, ID 1
Killarney Icebreakers, BC 0
Kitsilano Kanakas, BC 3
Pt. Alberni, BC 6
Rose City Bandits, OR 1
Seattle Wings, WA 4
Kitsilano Phoenix, BC 1
Seattle Puckhawks, WA 0
Sun Valley Sunsets, ID 3
National Training Rinks (Zambonis), BC 0
Alaska Women's League All-Stars, AK 4
OK Springs Ladner, BC 3
Anchorage, AK 3
N. Vancouver Renegades, BC 2
California Lightening, CA 3
California Team Abbey, CA 5
Gold River, BC 0
PLAYOFFS
Sun Valley Sunsets, ID 0
Anchorage, AK 5
Kitsilano Kanakas, BC 4
California Lightening, CA 3
California Team Abbey, CA 1
Pt. Alberni Panthers, BC 4
Alaska Women's League All-Stars, AK 4
Seattle Wings, WA 1
FINALS
Anchorage, AK 3
Pt. Alberni Panthers, BC 4
Kitsilano Kanakas, BC 5 (Shootout)
Alaska Women's League All-Stars, AK 3
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 21:20:37 -0400
From: "Scott Perkins"
To: "\"Subscribers to\" <"
Subject: opinions on the gold medal game
Message-ID:
O.K., so maybe there were a few bad calls. But, a ref probably has the
hardest job on the ice. You have to constantly be in the correct position,
be totally impartial(which can be hard at times), and pay absolutely no
attention to the screaming fans, players, and coaches who seem bent on
telling you how to do your job. I think everybody should pay attention to
the players and the great game they had, not to that slash that YOU think
should of been called or that goal that YOU think wasn't in. Consider the
source. I don't think anybody should be allowed to judge the ref's job
until they've been a ref in a game themselve.
Shannon Perkins-#1 K-Wings
email@hidden
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Track/4576/
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 21:48:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Women's all star game
Message-ID:
I just heard the NHL Player's Assoc. is considering adding an exhibition game
between women's Team USA/Team Canada as part of the yearly NHL All-Star game.
I think this would be excellent exposure for the women's game! If you
agree, send the NHLPA e-mail supporting the idea to "email@hidden"
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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 22:26:14 +0100
From: Sue Kartman
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Game Coverage
Message-ID:
Jenn:
The Wisconsin State Journal April 7, 1997 edition carried an article on
the finals game between Canada and USA. It is inside the front page
(page 2). It is a very nice article on the game & who scored the goals.
Sue Kartman
Madison Edge Women's Ice Hockey Team
Madison,WI
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Date: Mon, 07 Apr 97 23:42:35 +0400
From: "Ken Luk"
To: "email@hidden"
Subject: Re: CANADA WINS
Message-ID:
On Sun, 6 Apr 1997 22:14:40 -0700 (PDT), alexandra tanja vlahovich
wrote:
>To anyone who watched that game- was the officiating as bad as it seemed,
>Dombrowski was just awful, last I checked checking from behind constitued
>a 5 min penalty!
It must be a coincidence that the referee's name is Dombrowski, the
same name as the German "referee", Victor Dum-Dum Dombrowski who was
synomymous with bad refereeing back in the '72 Summit series, and
beyond.
Ken
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Date: Tue, 08 Apr 97 00:21:34 +0400
From: "Ken Luk"
To: "email@hidden"
Subject: Re: USA/Canada
Message-ID:
On Sun, 6 Apr 1997 19:34:26 -0700 (PDT), email@hidden wrote:
>The only USA/Canada game I was able to get tonight was the World University
>Hockey Championship. Surprise! USA/Canada was the final game, and Canada won
>5-4 in overtime. Could this possibly have been a rerun? I can't believe
>there would be two world championship hockey games on the same night. Who's
>winning the women's game?
>
The game was not part of a tournament. It was the only game. CIAU vs
NCAA. One game for all the marbles.
Ken
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Date: Tue, 08 Apr 97 00:24:18 +0400
From: "Ken Luk"
To: "email@hidden"
Subject: Re: USA/Canada
Message-ID:
On Sun, 6 Apr 1997 23:07:45 -0700 (PDT), David S. Fales wrote:
>Did you catch the rules of the University Games? US can send seniors
>only, Canada can send ANYBODY that has ever spent time in a Canadian
>college or league? talk about stacking the deck.
>
That's because the NCAA has some rule that makes any NCAA player
playing against Major Junior players (past or present), of which some
of the CIAU players were at one time, ineligible for further NCAA play.
Ken
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 22:56:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: email@hidden (Liam, Agnes & Daniel Coughlan)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: WWHC Gold Medal Game
Message-ID:
>Well, last night was certainly a nail biter. I have to agree with
>everyone that the refs were disgusting. My boyfriend was wondering if men
>were allowed to ref women's hockey. It seemed like a silly question at
>the time, but does anyone know about this (at the international level?)
>Also, does anyone know if these same refs are going to be responsible for
>the Nagano Games? That would be embarrassing for women's hockey IMHO.
>
Hi Dawn!
There are lot's of male ref's officiating women's hockey, but I don't know
the answer to your question as far as the International Ice Hockey
Federation goes. However, I think it brings up a very interesting question!
I understand that at Canadian Nationals this year as well as at the Pacific
Rim Tournament, all officials were female. There was some fantastic hockey
in these events, and I am not aware of any game being effected by poor
officiating.
On the other hand, having been on this list since last May(?) I have seen
evidence of intelligent, capable and qualified coaches, managers, and
officials of both sexes.
It seems to me that the best female hockey players in the world deserve the
best officials in the world regardless of gender.
I understand the concept of exposing female officials to the highest level
of play to develop them, but it seems to me that the game is firstly for the
players. I don't think that the needs of the female refs outweigh the needs
of the female hockey players.
Same thing for the male championships! If a female is the best official,
then have her officiate the game!
It's not a tradeoff between female ref's vs male ref's, it's female ref's vs
female hockey players.
Liam
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