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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 385
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: Scrapping with Guys
by Deanna Manson
2) Re: Advice on backward crossovers
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
3) Brawls!
by email@hidden
4) Re: I need some tips.
by email@hidden (Sheryl-Lyn Ekberg)
5) Re: ?Exemption for moving up age ranks in kids' hockey
by email@hidden (Brian Edgar)
6) "Senior" Minn. player
by email@hidden (Sheryl-Lyn Ekberg)
7) Re: MOUTHGARDS
by email@hidden (Brian Edgar)
8) Re: Mouthguard - what's best?
by Rhonda Paprocki
9) World championship info
by Rhonda Paprocki
10) Re: off -season training (& rollcall)
by Marilyn Fuller
11) Re: BARRIE SHARKFEST
by "Ken Luk"
12) Re: MOUTHGARDS
by "Ken Luk"
13) Re: ?Exemption for moving up age ranks in kids' hockey
by Chuck Collins
14) Re: Mouthguard
by Chuck Collins
15) Hi everyone!
by email@hidden (Heather Tomas)
16) Re: profiles & stinky stuff
by Jan de Regt
17) Re[2]: Safety In Numbers (A poll of list members)
by Jan de Regt
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:04:44 -0400
From: Deanna Manson
To: "'email@hidden'"
Subject: RE: Scrapping with Guys
Message-ID:
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I play in a mens league on the base and if I'm on the ice when a scrap starts
I always skate over to mix it up or break it up depending on how I'm feeling. I
find the guys get pissed off when I get in there though because they think
I am taking advantage of the fact that I am a woman - in that they can't hit me.
One time, I went skating over and gave this one guy a big shove. He looked
down at me and said: "And what do you think you're doing?" It was rather
demoralizing. I'm trying to get into a scrap man!
Deanna Manson
Greenwood, Nova Scotia, Canada
email@hidden
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:24:04 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Advice on backward crossovers
Message-ID:
My husband has been skating all his life, but for some reason has had
trouble with backward crossovers. For a birthday gift, I gave him 30
minutes with a figure skating coach to help him clean up his crossovers.
The best $24 gift ever. He looks great and has no trouble at all. Its
hard to trouble shoot yourself. Sometimes you need a second pair of eyes
and a little expertise to help you fix up a stroke and break a bad habit.
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:10:45 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Brawls!
Message-ID:
Oh yeah, women fight. And they fight hard.
I vividly remember a game we played last season against a team of older
(20-???) women. Our team is composed of grades 7-12 (ages 11-18). After one
brawl between an eigth grader and a thirty five year old woman (both
ejected), a teammate had a breakaway. The 45 year old goalie came out of the
crease and tackled the oncoming player (before she had a chance to shoot).
When given a penalty by the official, she proceeded to wind up and belt him
with her stick, all the while shouting profanities. She was immediately
ejected, and the other team went crazy (I guess they didn't have a back-up!).
Eventually this team of older "more mature" women, stormed off the ice
screaming about the biased officials. Well, each to her own. We won the
game, and our 12-18 year old maturity level well surpassed that of the now
dubbed "psycho old lady team".
Keep your gloves on, and best of luck for the rest of the season!
Lisa McAndrews #19
Mamaroneck Tigers
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 17:57:19 -0600
From: email@hidden (Sheryl-Lyn Ekberg)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: I need some tips.
Message-ID:
BE,
A playmaker title is given to someone when they have three assists during a
single hockey game.
A hattrick title is given to someone when they have three goals during a
single hockey game.
A shutout title is given to the starting goalie when no goals have been
scored against their team during a single hockey game.
Sheryl (TCE Minnesota #13)
Bob R. are you out there?????? email me at email@hidden Jean and
Jill said they saw you and Mrs. R.
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 19:30:08 -0500 (EST)
From: email@hidden (Brian Edgar)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: ?Exemption for moving up age ranks in kids' hockey
Message-ID:
> My daughter played PeeWee hit hockey, and although you are worried you
must realize that they will quickly adapt if they have the necessary skills.
The longer she can play against this competition the better she will
become. She will let you know when she is no longer having fun or can't
handle the level.
Brian K. Edgar
2472 Jane St.
Brigden, Ont.
N0N 1B0
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 18:32:44 -0600
From: email@hidden (Sheryl-Lyn Ekberg)
To: email@hidden
Subject: "Senior" Minn. player
Message-ID:
Jane is 71 and going strong. She is the treasurer of the Minnesota Women's
Association, helps organize tournaments, Loves using her computer for hockey
stuff. She even does computer stuff for her daughter Sue who coaches the
Moundsview girls ice hockey team. She is definitely an inspiration to those
of us who play and love the game. She's proof that as long as their is a
desire and capability you can (as Captain Pacard(sp?) would say:) Make It
So.!!!!
Sheryl (#13 TCE Minnesota) a mere child at 39 as compared to Jane.
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 19:35:12 -0500 (EST)
From: email@hidden (Brian Edgar)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: MOUTHGARDS
Message-ID:
> Part of the problem is not the direct hit but the action of the jaw
biting down on the tongue when contact is made. It seems to be a reflexive
action.
>
>
>
Brian K. Edgar
2472 Jane St.
Brigden, Ont.
N0N 1B0
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 02:25:28 GMT
From: Rhonda Paprocki
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Mouthguard - what's best?
Message-ID:
At 06:14 AM 11/18/96 -0800, you wrote:
>I've never had to buy a mouthguard before, and I don't know what's
>available or what to look for. I've vaguely considered wearing one,
>but an incident Saturday convinced me.
>
>I took 10 boys up to North Carolina to an inline skate park with
>half-pipes. We had not been there 10 minutes when one of the boys knocked
>his front (permanent) tooth loose. Turns out, it was actually all the way
>knocked out, just happened to stay up in the socket. The dentist says
>there's a 40% chance he'll be able to keep it.
>
>So, I think I'll start wearing a mouthguard, at least on the half-pipes
>(our pick-up hockey games aren't very rough, so I may still skip it for
>hockey). Are there different styles/brands available? Anything I need to
>look for or avoid?
>
>Thanks, Penny
Most mouthgards are very similiar unless you go to the really high end
where your dentist makes it for you. Most of them you put in really hot
water, then bite to form to your mouth (read the instructions, probably
something about cooling it off too :) ) IF you have a lot of problems
wearing it (I have a bad gag reflex), cut it down so it doesn't go as
far back in your mouth. May give you a little less coverage, but if you
wear it, you're better off than without it. Do you wear full face masks?
(prob not if in-line) but that's a big protection factor.
Rhonda Paprocki
email@hidden
"The race is not always to the swift....
but to those who keep on running."
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 02:41:50 GMT
From: Rhonda Paprocki
To: email@hidden
Subject: World championship info
Message-ID:
Hi all,
Got info on the world championships today and thought I would pass it on.
K=Kitchner rink
B=Brampton
H=Hamilton
F=Brantford
M=Mississauga
L=London
N=North York
S=Kitchner-Kinsmen arena
Round Robin
Mon 3/31
Norway vs USA 4pm K
Finland vs Sweden 4pm B
China vs Russia 7pm H
Canada vs Switzerland 7:30pm K
Tues 4/1
Sweden vs Norway 4pm K
Finland vs USA 7pm F
China vs Switzerland 7pm M
Canada vs Russia 7:30pm K
Thurs 4/3
Norway vs Finland 4pm K
USA vs Sweden 7pm L
Switzerland vs Russia 7pm N
Canada vs China 7:30PM K
QUALIFYING ROUND
Friday 4/4 2 games 4pm&7:30pm K
MEDAL ROUND
Saturday 4/5 2 games 1pm & 5pm K
QUALIFYING GAME
Sunday 4/6 noon K
SEEDING GAME
Sunday 4/6 (7th vs 8th I believe) 2pm S
BRONZE MEDAL GAME
Sunday 4/6 4pm K
WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP GAME
Sunday 4/6 8pm K
Rhonda Paprocki
Team Michigan Tornados
email@hidden
Rhonda Paprocki
email@hidden
"The race is not always to the swift....
but to those who keep on running."
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 22:13:14 -0600 (CST)
From: Marilyn Fuller
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: off -season training (& rollcall)
Message-ID:
hi! i'm 18 and a soph in college-i love hockey!-and i really want to learn
how to play-if anyone has any suggestions about where a good place to go
in the Dallas area would be to learn-i live in Carrollton to be exact-so any
where near there-preferably-i would really appreciate it!
thanx!-have a great night!
Marilyn :)
email@hidden
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 96 22:07:28 +0400
From: "Ken Luk"
To: "email@hidden"
Subject: Re: BARRIE SHARKFEST
Message-ID:
On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:38:06 -0800, Marie Manza wrote:
>Finally, does anyone out there know the dates and location for the Ontario
>Provincials for 1997 for the Atom division? I cannot seem to locate it
>through any of my links. I wonder if this is because it has not yet been
>decided at this point.
>
>cheers,
>
>Marie Manza
>for Aurora Panthers
>
>
The Provincials are being held in Brampton and Mississauga this year. April 18-20, 1997.
Ken
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 96 21:52:30 +0400
From: "Ken Luk"
To: "email@hidden"
Subject: Re: MOUTHGARDS
Message-ID:
On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 10:18:59 -0800, Marie Manza wrote:
>I have been reading with intestest the mouthgard postings. My daughter (11)
>who is playing Atom BB in all girls league asked for a mouthguard. I told
>her that she did not need one since she wears a helmet with a full face
>cage. However, after reading some of the postings, I am now not so sure.
>Any comments? Is the face cage not protection enough for the mouth and
>teeth?
>
>Cheers,
>Marie Manza
>Aurora Panthers
>
>
I've been told (or read somewhere) that a good mouthguard is helpful
against concussions and swallowing the tougue if she is hit
particularily hard. I'm not a doctor so I don't really see the
correlation, but I've just extended to you the sum total of my
knowledge regarding mouthguards. I wear one when I play, but I only
where a half shield.
By the way, are you entering the Leaside Wildcats Tournament in March?
Call me at 416-467-7077 for an application, or "real soon now", I'll
have an application online at the LGH web site (www.io.org/~lgh).
Ken
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Date: 18 Nov 96 21:59:59 PST (Mon)
From: Chuck Collins
To: email@hidden
Cc: email@hidden
Subject: Re: ?Exemption for moving up age ranks in kids' hockey
Message-ID:
Ah, yes, the old girls' age exemption request. I've worked hard at getting
the real skinny on this, and have only achieved partial success. Someone
should start a FAQ.
First of all, I assume we're talking USA (Temple's in Philadelphia, no?),
not Canada. Also Pee Wee checking is USA only, I believe.
There is an age exemption that is granted by USA hockey that allows
first-year midget girls (15 year olds) to play bantams for a third year.
A friend of mine ran this question all the way to Colo Spgs and got
confirmation that that is the only transition USA Hockey will entertain
the exemption.
And now, there is pressure from, of all people, the insurance commissioners
to not allow that exemption. (Don't get me started on liability insurance...)
California this year, for the first time in awhile, has apparently rejected
all such exemption requests.
So can a local league or other association grant an age exemption without
USA Hockey's approval? Good question. Obviously, a local league could decide
to let kids play without helmets if they wanted, but their affiliation with USA
Hockey and the validity of their insurance coverage would be in jeopardy.
However, let me take another tack. You don't say what your daughter weighs.
4'8" isn't tiny by any means. I think you might consider whether you are
over reacting to the specter of checking. Others might disagree, but good
skating skills and good checking technique can make up for a lot of mass
and strength. And I've seen lots of Pee Wee boys that are remarkably small.
Obviously your daughter derives a lot from her ability to match skills with
the boys. I know mine does. Keeping her down a level would certainly erode
a good part of that.
Rather than going through the almost surely frustrating experience of arguing
with bureaucracies run by people with their own agendas, put your energy into
giving your daughter extra preparation during the off-season. Send her to
a camp and make sure she's in the group that emphasises checking and skating,
as opposed to shooting, stickhandling or positioning. Don't let the camp
directors pigeon-hole her into a younger, less physical group. Pop for 4 or 5
private hockey lessons. Skate with her at stick time and work with her on
checking in the neutral zone, while all the testosterone junkies keep
pounding away with their slap shots. Talk to her squirt coach and convince
him (her?) he should spend some practice time late in the season teaching
proper checking techniques to the squirts. Tell him you've been looking at
the Pee Wee coaches and none of them seem to have his ability to tech new
skills, and you and the other parents would trust him to give your kids a
head start and a good foundation.
Talk to some of the Pee Wee parents. Find out just how much (or little)
the coaches at that level actually spend on checking techniques in practice.
And also see if, when they made the transition from Squirt to Pee Wee, how
the actuality of checking hockey matched their expectation.
My daughter skates on a mixed Pee Wee B team, and there's no question that
she's the most physical player on her team. She's flattened at least half a
dozen boys in open ice this year, and was very proud of herself when she got
her first-ever 10-minute penalty (it was a bogus call, by the way).
Clearly, you are going to face some teams that have human battleships and
Puberty Bobs that look like they could crush small cars. But guess what?
That kind of player doesn't see much motivation to work to improve their
checking techniques nor skating abilities. They're too busy running up and
down the ice looking for somebody to hit. If your daughter works on her
skills enough, they either won't catch her, or regret it if they do.
- Chuck Collins
email@hidden
> We have a 10-year-old daughter who is playing squirt hockey with the boys.
> Next year she has to move up to PeeWee level because she will be one month
> beyond the squirt age limit. Her actual due date was two weeks on the
> other side of the cut-off (she was born 6 weeks premature at a weight of 2
> lb 4 oz). She is a gutsy little player with good skills and a lot of
> talent. She is assistant captain of her team and very popular with her
> teammates. She is about 4'8" and will probably only reach 5'2". When she
> moved up from mite to squirt, we were turned down for an age exemption by
> the league she is in. When she moves from squirt to peewee next season,
> however, she will be moving into a checking league where the guys will be
> significantly bigger than she is, and we are getting worried about her
> safety. There are no competitive girls teams in the area at her age level
> or at the peewee level, but one more year at squirt will get her to the
> point where she could make the transition to a select girls team when she
> is 12. Does anybody know of any conditions under which exemptions for
> advancing from one age level to the next have been granted? If you are
> aware of any specific cases, please let us know, so we can begin to build
> our own case with our league. Thanks in advance for any help provided.
>
>
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Date: 18 Nov 96 22:14:16 PST (Mon)
From: Chuck Collins
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Mouthguard
Message-ID:
Barbara said:
> I recomend getting your dentist to
> make one for you. It is expensive, but I believe it is well worth the
> money.
Buyer beware. Not everyone notices that the USA rules require the mouth guard
to be "colored," i.e. neither clear nor white. Dentists don't often spend
much time with the rule book either. Don't spend extra money on a piece
of illegal equipment. Tell the dentist it must be a colored mouth guard.
I'm not sure that the dentist advice is necessarily the best answer. I think
that a mouth guard that connects to the cage is much better than a free
mouth guard, and I wouldn't expect one you get from a dentist to have this
feature. The $1.98 plastic ones are quite good, easy to form and they're
inexpensive enough to put a couple of extras in your bag. There's another
type that has a string connecting it to the cage that costs a bit more.
Brand name Shock Doctor, I think. I use that type, and am very happy with it.
And finally, I've also had a dentist team mate offer to specially fit the
commercially purchased mouth guard for me.
- Chuck Collins
email@hidden
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Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 00:51:17 -0600
From: email@hidden (Heather Tomas)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Hi everyone!
Message-ID:
Hi guys!
I've been a "lurker" here on the list for awhile, so I thought I'd jump in
and introduce myself...
My name is Heather Tomas. I'm 19, and I go to school at the University of
Tennessee. I'm originally from Detroit (GO WINGS!), and I've been a huge
hockey fan for awhile, but I never actually *played* until this year. I got
my first pair of inline skates last year, and I instantly loved them. My
boyfriend played 4 years of ice hockey in college (Ontario & Michigan), and
briefly for an ECHL team. His "brother" played for the San Jose Sharks, and
hearing all about it from them really made me want to play. Now I play on
my school's roller hockey team, and I really, really enjoy it. I play RW/C,
and occasionally some D. My school has only had the team for about 2 years,
so the whole program is new to everyone. I am one of only 3 girls on the
team, but the guys treat us great, like "one of the guys." Hockey isn't
quite as popular down here in Tennessee as it was up in Michigan, but I
still enjoy it! Nashville just got a CHL team, and I spend a lot of time
out with the players, because my boyfriend is good friends with a lot of
them. They all tell me I should try ice hockey, but I'm not sure! I'm just
now getting to where I'm comfortable playing ROLLER hockey, I don't know if
I should try ICE yet. How hard is the transition? They say it's not that
bad, but I don't know if I should trust them...(They'd probably say
anything to get me out on the ice, just so they could watch me make a fool
out of myself!)
*ha ha* They're great guys to hang out with, though. I get to hear what
REALLY happens out there on the ice! ;-)
Anyway, I've been skating on Oxygen skates, but I just got a pair of
Mission skates last week. Our team got brand new chest/shoulder pads,
helmets, and shin guards last semester, so it's still in great shape. The
only problem is that everything is size "Man's X Large"!! I guess they
didn't expect to have any females on the team...I had to get my own helmet
because the other one kept sliding over my eyes! x-)
I hope to continue playing as long as I can. I only wish I had started
skating a lot earlier! But I guess you have to start somewhere, eh?
Keep posting the great tips and comments!
Still a Yankee at heart,
Heather
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Date: 19 Nov 1996 07:05:17 -0500
From: Jan de Regt
To: email@hidden (Return requested),
Subject: Re: profiles & stinky stuff
I discovered that different models in the same line are different
shapes for heads that are different shapes!
I bought any old Cooper helmet, but it seemed to squeeze my head after
wearing it about an hour, and after a year or so I finally went to the
pro shop to see what could be done. The guy who works with most of
the women on my team showed me how oblong the inside of that model
was, and how another was much rounder!
I now wear a Jofra, and like it much better. The padding is secured
to inside much better than the cooper - it used to come out in one big
piece. I feel much more protected by it.
Jan.
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: profiles & stinky stuff
Author: email@hidden at Internet
Date: 11/16/96 1:24 PM
First, my tip on keeping your gear from stinking: the lazy woman's way!
I always unpack my equipment and leave it out to dry (in a room with good
air circulation is best- maybe a nice ceiling fan?) immediately when I
arrive home. This continues for about 9 months to 1 year until the gear
develops a stench beyond my tolerance, at which point I put everything
that doesn't have leather on it (usually just shin pads, shoulder pads,
elbows) into the bathtub, determine how deep the hot water needs to be to
cover everything, remove gear, fill the tub with water, add a cup or two of
bleach, mix well, add gear and slosh it around, empty the tub, fill it again
just with water & slosh...just repeat this process til you're satisfied that
most of the bleach has been washed out (along with some very obvious dirt).
The tricky part of this is that the equipment will take at least several days to
dry out- here in Tucson (land of low humidity) my gear can take up to 2 days
to dry (in my confined laundry room). I've been using this technique for a
few years now & it seems to work well!
Now for the personality profile:
Jenny Turner-Valle
age 26
I've been playing hockey for about 5.5 years now, I started back when I was
a junior by joining our physics department team. They were a bunch of male
grad students, of mixed abilities, who played the biology student team
once a week--they were also the nicest guys I've ever played with, no one
ever got penalties, no one lost their temper, everyone had good advice to
share, we had no real team captain, but between periods everyone would offer
a diagnosis of what had gone wrong & how to fix it...I can say I've never
played again on a team like it! Anyway, our university supported a women's
team with a short season (we would play from Dec. to March or so)- so I
joined that team, where I learned most of my positional play, skating
technique, etc. And since then, my life has been ruled by finding the next
ice arena! I played in Northern CA for a couple of summers when I interned
out there- where I met up with another bunch of nice guys, some of whom
were 69, 70, 71 years old at the time (and still playing at a semi-organized
drop in, with "young kids" who were 50 or so). These guys would all hone
their skills for the July Snoopy Senior Hockey Tournament in Santa Rosa,
where the fellows I knew played on Charles Schultz's team (creator of Snoopy).
Anyway--I couldn't move to Tucson for grad school until I knew that I
would be able to ice skate. I'm so obsessed with playing hockey! Now I skate
here at a coed pick-up, and we've been reorganizing our slightly scattered
women's team recently- so I've been busy.
As for equipment, I bought cheap to begin with, but now I've upgraded
almost everything...I love my Bauer 1000's (I have wide feet), my aluminum
Easton stick is great, I got a deal on some cushy Cooper 750 pants (like
wearing pillows- I don't feel those shots or hits anymore), my favorites
are the Hespler gloves (the only leather glove that felt broken in when I
tried them on), my Ferland elbows are ok, my cheap Vic shin pads will need
replacing when I get a real job, my ancient "Ride of the Valkyrie" Cooper
shoulder pads (complete with plastic breast-cups sewn on) will also need
replacement, and then there's my helmet: it's a nice Cooper, but my head
seems to be a little narrower in the back than the head it was designed
for-am I alone in this? (My husband's helmet seems to be much more snug
on him- if I adjust mine tighter I just get compression headaches.)
toodles!
jenny
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Date: 19 Nov 1996 07:05:18 -0500
From: Jan de Regt
To: email@hidden (Return requested),
Subject: Re[2]: Safety In Numbers (A poll of list members)
Our coach, Nelson Burton, is an former pro from Nova Scotia, and he
started when he was 11!
Jan.
Chesapeake Bay Lightning
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Subject: Re: Safety In Numbers (A poll of list members)
Author: email@hidden at Internet
Date: 11/16/96 6:09 PM
I am new at this list thing but I was wondering how old everyone who plays
hockey was when they started because I want to learn to play but all the
Pros (male) That I know of started when they were like 4 or 5, and I'm
already 13.
any help/information you could give would be greatly appriciated.
Thank you,
Betsy
Fort Collins, Colorado
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