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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 379
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Safety In Numbers (A poll of list members) (Wed Nov 13 14:08:00 1996)
by email@hidden (Christina McCormick)
2) RE: Results from the All-American Tourney (Minn.)
by "HARRIS, zharris"
3) Re: Safety In Numbers (A poll of list members)
by email@hidden
4) RE: Safety In Numbers (A poll of list members)
by Deanna Manson
5) Re: Safety In Numbers in Philly
by email@hidden
6) Re: Safety In Numbers (safety in particular!)
by email@hidden
7) Re: Skates for wide feet?
by Ingrid Moon
8) Re: Safety In Numbers (A poll of list members)
by Ingrid Moon
9) Re: Safety In Numbers in Sunny South
by Penny Ginn
10) Re: Skates for wide feet?
by Shannon
11) Re: Safety In Numbers (safety in particular!)
by Chuck Collins
12) RE: Results from the All-American Tourney (Minn.)
by Rhonda Paprocki
13) Introduction
by email@hidden
14) "Senior" Minn. player
by email@hidden
15) safety in numbers
by Perri Nejib
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 96 22:04:07 GMT
From: email@hidden (Christina McCormick)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Safety In Numbers (A poll of list members) (Wed Nov 13 14:08:00 1996)
Message-ID: <30FC20D7@cmccorm>
hey Lisa,
I'm in Australia, and decent gear here is really expensive, but we girls do the best we can. As yet, the stores selling gear don't stock the women's gear, so we have to
do the best we can with the men's gear. As it is, I have some gear which is
comfortable, but not really high in quality, and I'm in the process of trying to
save enough to upgrade my gear.
At the moment, I have Easton Shoulders, CCM pro 100 elbows, Jofa shins,
(w/ extra knee protection, they're great.) CCM Power Line shorts, which are
comfortable but don't really have enough protection in the rear-end, (I'm trying to
buy some TACKLA's of one of my friends) Um, a crappy Bauer helmet (which is
falling apart) and some REALLY old gloves.
The above mentioned friend has some really good gear which he has only worn about
three times, and I think I'll be buying the gear off him! This has just solved my
finacial problem to do with buying brand new gear!
I am, however on the hunt for a new pair of skates, as I need one for a broad foot.
Unlike many women, I don't have "duck feet" as someone put it, my feet are just broad
all over! I also have fairly weak ankles, to any suggestions on brand of skates
would be great! I have a feeling that the only brands of skates we can get are
Bauer and CCM.
Chris,
Melbourne Dolphins,
#99
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 96 15:03:00 -0800
From: "HARRIS, zharris"
To: email@hidden, email@hidden (subscribers to)
Subject: RE: Results from the All-American Tourney (Minn.)
Message-ID:
I only know one other result... and that is for the Midget A Division for
the All American Tournament:
1st Place: Thoroughbred - White (from MN)
*******
As for comments on the tournament itself:
I was a bit disappointed in the organization of the tournament and how it
was run. The brochures promoting the tournament were beautiful. The
tournament programs were well done; and the participants received
brochures, water bottles and pins. However, the Midget A division was not
run in a round robin fashion... it was a seated tournament. I was surprised
to find out that there would only be 3 games *total* and workshops and
events that were mentioned in the promotional materials were non-existent.
We were told to arrive 2 hours prior our first game to register so we
rushed from the airport to get there. No one showed up until about 1/2
before the game and the excuse was that they "had other things to do." We
were scheduled to play on Thursday evening and not scheduled for another
game until Saturday late afternoon. That meant that Friday was a wasted
day. Thank goodness we found teams to scrimmage.. but at our cost. To me,
it was just a waste of one more night of hotel costs, meals, etc., and one
more day the kids had to miss school and the adults had to miss work. And I
was also shocked to find out (and maybe this is true for all tournaments...
I am not sure) that our parents... who paid $450 per person for a flight to
MN, plus hotel, meals and tournament cost... had to pay to get into all the
games ($5 per game or $12 for all games). To me that seems a bit
rediculous but maybe I am off base. (?)
While we did enjoy playing the teams (even though they were strategically
seated), watching the college games, and exposing the kids to national
competition as well as exposure to some college coaches... I have a hard
time thinking we'll ever return to the tournament. It was definitely
smaller than I excepted, not as well organized as I expected and a
disappointment. (The kids did get a terrific education on the competition
across the country).
Did anyone else have the same beefs? Is this typical tournament fashion?
Zoe
NW Admirals
Seattle Jr. Hockey
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:08:34 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Safety In Numbers (A poll of list members)
Message-ID:
OK, I'll bite. And in my traditionally anal way (the scatterbrain's survival
mode), I'll go in list form.
Name: Margaret Lillard
Age: 36
Playing how long: Just coming up one year, mainly with the Brooklyn Blades,
the only all-female ice hockey team in New York City (so far; cross your
fingers and pray for the success of Sky Rink's women's group). Also played
coed ice and coed/women's roller this summer at NYC's Sky Rink and Central
Park's Wollman Rink. I now play about three times per week; mix of coed
pickup and organized women's.
Previous hockey-skating experience: None. I could barely skate when I
started. I bought hockey skates in tribute to the Rangers' 94 Cup victory,
and in frustration with the ensuing lockout; the guy who sold them to me
tipped me (very late in the season) to the Blades, and I started with them
full-time last fall. This is my first team sports experience: did minor
equestrian competition in my early 30s, was briefly a lifeguard/swim teacher
during college.
Equipment: All bought new (big mistake -- breaking it all in at once is a
drag). Koho pants (sold to me as slimmer/longer! than most others; not that
there's any help for a 5-foot-11, 125-lb woman); Vic fabric gloves with an
elastic gusset instead of a laceup, great if you have skinny wrists; CCM
shinpads that are a good fit for long legs but not padded nearly enough
(recommendations?); brand new Easton Pro-Light elbow pads that are still
breaking in, but I already like a lot; immense Reidell HM 800 shoulderpads
that give excellent body protection but make me look like an ass and are
proving awkward with the new elbow pads; CCM helmet, alternating between a
cage and a cage with a plexi eyepiece -- the plexi works fine outdoors but
fogs too easily inside even when treated; and my beloved Bauer Comps, which
replaced a horribly ill-fitting pair of CCM Mustangs (they were OK beginner
skates, I just bought the wrong size). I use a Canadien Verbeek-model
Fiberglas-coated stick that I find very lightweight and flexible; I'm
experimenting with a Fiberglas-wooden Koho that doesn't seem as flexible,
though I like the blade shape and lie better.
Enough about me! Who else is out there?
Margaret Lillard
Brooklyn Blades, #49
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:20:59 -0400
From: Deanna Manson
To: "'email@hidden'"
Subject: RE: Safety In Numbers (A poll of list members)
Message-ID:
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Hi. I'm writing from Greenwood, NS where we don't have a womens league
per se, but we have a womens team here on the military base. A mixture
of military and civilian women collect to play hockey as a result of the =
efforts
of two dedicated individuals: Sue Maranda and Lucy Paquette. If it =
weren't for
them hockey just would exist here in Greenwood for women. We have a=20
great time and there is a very diverse collection of skill on the team. =
We
look like the Bad New Bears I suppose but gosh we have fun. We play the
odd exhibition game against a local university and are hoping to travel =
into=20
the city this year play against a team on the base at Shearwater. I =
also play in the intersection league on the base which is mostly men =
(obviously) but no-checking. At the moment we are still waiting for our =
ice to be installed (!)
though.
I started playing two years ago when I arrived on the base and used old
equipment that the gym was selling off: $5 for gloves, $5 for pants, $5 =
for
elbow pads and $5 for shoulder pads (hooters watch out!). I had helmet
already and I bought Tack skates (junior). Since then I got new pants,
new shoulder pads and still use the decrepid elbow pads and gloves.
All of this to say we have a lot of fun with hockey here in Greenwood =
even
without a nearby league. If I get posted back to a city again (hoping =
for
Winnipeg), I can't wait to try out for a team there.
Deanna Manson
Greenwood, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:45:34 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Safety In Numbers in Philly
Message-ID:
Hi Lisa and everyone,
I'm checking in from Philadelphia to let you all know that we have a great
team here called the Freeze (formerly the Roadrunners). This year we split
into two levels an "A" and a "B" team for the first time. Mainly due to the
expanded numbers of women in the area that want to play. Last year we had too
many players for one squad so many of the "beginners" spent alot of game time
on the bench. This year we have over 30 women in the club on both teams!!
This sport is really taking off. I just started 2 years ago at the age of
31. I wish I had known about the Roadrunners 15 years ago. I have never had
so much fun playing any other sport in my entire life.
As far as my equipment, I borrowed equipment from a huge women's hockey
advocate for the first year and gradually bought my own to replace it. I
just bought a pair of Tack ProLite skates that made a huge difference. My
teammates think that I practice skating throughout the week but its just the
skates.
I also had the skates "profiled". So far they have been great. Any comments
on profiles or skates??
Also, our "B" team is always looking for games in the Philadelphia area. If
anyone would like to schedule a game in our skill range send me e-mail.
Linda
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 21:46:49 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Safety In Numbers (safety in particular!)
Message-ID:
This is a PS to my previous on equipment, forgive the forgetfulness.
I should have mentioned several safety pieces that are new to me, but I
discovered PAINFULLY necessary.
After getting cross-checked in the face, I strongly recommend teeth
protection. I didn't lose teeth to the initial blow, which your face shield
should protect you from, but chipped a molar when my jaws clopped together. A
few dollars on an ugly but effective mouth guard is spent much more easily
than the $800 on a porcelain cap.
I've also invested in a pelvic protector since getting an object lesson
during my last scrimmage. And I went the last mile and got a neck guard;
they're not required in my amateur non-league competition, but it certainly
can't hurt with as much exposed skin as my birdy neck affords to errant pucks
and skate blades. And since we play outdoors, every little bit of warmth
helps!
Cheers
Margaret Lillard
Brooklyn Blades
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:00:03 -0800
From: Ingrid Moon
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Skates for wide feet?
Message-ID:
Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> I'm about to take a beginning hockey class
YEA! :)
Try on all the skates you like (I recommend high-end skates regardless
of ability level; I learned on cheap-o used skates 2 sizes too big for
me and what an incredible difference it made when I got skates that had
support and actually fit! I have Bauer Comps (95 model) and they are
fairly roomy at the toe and snug at the ankle, but everyone's
different. (I, too, have triangular feet, hating women's "dress shoes"
with a passion--it's as bad as Chinese foot-binding!)
> Another question- for you women who wear orthotics, do you put them in your
> skates?
I have orthodics and I do not wear them in my skates, so I skate
bow-legged (my femurs are turned inward, almost making me pidgeon
toed). I learn to compensate. Some of the guys on my team are going to
the Kings trainers and getting skate-customization advice for their
leg/foot problems, like putting shims in the blades to compensate, etc.
As for other equipment, especially shoulder pads, try them on. Try them
all on. You want something light but solid, with coverage but no
pinching (esp. in the fore-shoulders when you put your arms out in front
of you). Go to different stores because they might carry different
models/brands. Trust me, you don't want to make an investment in
something that will bother you.
The sales guys at my now-closed favorite hockey shop were a great help
in fitting me and my boyfriend, but when we first started lessons we
were told we might as well go for the lighter, cheaper stuff because we
wouldn't be doing all that much rough stuff. However, one year later
we're playing in a league and I'm glad I spent the extra bucks. Most
equipment CAN (not always) last a long time, and it's all pricey, so buy
something that will last and that is comfortable and that will protect
you so you don't have to buy more again later.
Just MHO,
Ingrid
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:57:42 -0800
From: Ingrid Moon
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Safety In Numbers (A poll of list members)
Message-ID:
email@hidden wrote:
> Now I'm totally committed to playing as good as I can & as much as I can
> before I get too old
Hey, there are women over 40 and men over 50 on my hockey team! You're
NEVER too old, as long as you take care of yourself and you have the
desire to play. :)
As for safety in numbers:
- Bauer Comps (love them)
- Winwell shin/knee (HATE them, all shin guards too wide at knee!!!)
- Ferland S4000 shoulder (love them, very free, no pinch, lotsa front
padding)
- CCM Supra pants (they're okay--tailbone pad shifty)
- Sherwood SJ-5060 gloves (LOVE them)
- Koho Rev elbow (like them)
- Jofa helmet, full cage (it's okay)
- cheap cardboard jill (need a better one)
Started skating for fun two years ago with boyfriend, met fellow BU
alumna who was preparing to play hockey, so we joined her class at
Iceoplex and eventually formed a team; second season 3-1-1 so far :)
Ingrid
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:20:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Penny Ginn
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Safety In Numbers in Sunny South
Message-ID:
OK - I'll admit I've been hanging out quietly on this list, just enjoying
most of the discussion. Here in the booming metropolis of Clinton,
South Carolina (USA), population 9,000; we don't have ice hockey. The
nearest is in Greenville, almost an hour from here. I have ice skated
probably 20 times in my life and really enjoyed it. I'd LOVE to give
ice hockey a try, but I can't figure out how to work full time, raise
two kids, participate in church activities, and get to Greenville on a
regular basis. (I know, I know ... priorities. I guess hockey just
isn't at the top.)
My hockey participation is pick-up inline hockey in the local
elementary school parking lot with a bunch of (primarily) boys, ages
6-14. I have a blast! I'm 35 and took up inline skating a couple
years ago after watching some boys from church who looked like they
were having lots of fun. It wasn't long before I had to pick up a
hockey stick and give it a try too. After several awkward attempts at
staying upright and doing anything reasonable with the stick and the
ball, I fell in love with it. I'll call my list of kids and set up
weekend games when I can work them in my schedule. Unfortunately,
my daughters (twins, age 9) have no interest in hockey. But they
think it's pretty cool that their mom acts like a kid. (I give them
about 3 more years max to feel that way, before I start to embarass
them!)
I'm often the only adult playing - sometimes two guys come too (I got
them started). When we pick teams instead of dropping sticks, I'm
always picked near the first, which makes me feel good!
Equipment for me is pretty minimal - bike helmet, knee pads, Franklin
gloves (after getting my thumb smacked while wearing wrist guards),
and cheap soccer shin guards when the aggressive kids are playing.
Thank goodness a hockey ball doesn't hurt like a puck!
Your not-so-traditional list member, Penny
Mrs. Penny M. Ginn ,---, email@hidden (864)833-8212
Assoc Dir of Computer Services |---' ___ You don't quit playing because
Presbyterian College |\ /| _ you get old ... you get old
Clinton, SC 29325-2998 USA | \/ |___| because you quit playing!
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:23:35 -0700 (MST)
From: Shannon
To: email@hidden
Cc: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Skates for wide feet?
Message-ID:
On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Ingrid Moon wrote:
> Anne Paulson wrote:
> >
> > Another question- for you women who wear orthotics, do you put them in your
> > skates?
>
> I have orthodics and I do not wear them in my skates, so I skate
> bow-legged (my femurs are turned inward, almost making me pidgeon
> toed). I learn to compensate. Some of the guys on my team are going to
> the Kings trainers and getting skate-customization advice for their
>
I should add something I forgot to put in a previuos post re orthotics.
I had mentioned that I needed them due to tendonitis an d bone spurs. I
forgot to mention that I had to bring my skates in to the podiatrist so
he could see what exactly they were going to fit in. He then requested
them to be very thin, so they would fit right inside my skates.
Shannon
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Date: 15 Nov 96 00:07:37 PST (Fri)
From: Chuck Collins
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Safety In Numbers (safety in particular!)
Message-ID:
Margaret Lillard wrote:
> After getting cross-checked in the face, I strongly recommend teeth
> protection. I didn't lose teeth to the initial blow, which your face shield
> should protect you from, but chipped a molar when my jaws clopped together. A
> few dollars on an ugly but effective mouth guard is spent much more easily
> than the $800 on a porcelain cap.
There's an additional reason to wear a mouthguard. I've heard recently that
a mouthguard is good prevention from concussions as well. When you fall
and hit your head, or something else hits your head hard, much of the
damage is done from the shock of your jaw and skull colliding.
I'm not an MD nor DDS, but the person who told me this is (a DDS, that is).
- Chuck Collins
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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:03:02 GMT
From: Rhonda Paprocki
To: email@hidden
Subject: RE: Results from the All-American Tourney (Minn.)
Message-ID:
Zoe,
I don't know much about their tournament, but speaking for ours (team
michigan)....
We're expecting 61/62 teams this year. We had 74-ish last year, but found that
we were a little overwhelmed. Each year we learn more. Last year, for
example, the
rink had gone to curfew clocks, so we went to curfewed games for the
tournament. (since
the last games at night were often WAY late). Everyone HATED it! Got lots of
comments about that one. Not doing that this year.... we inserted an hour
of ice
during the day to try and catch up...
>was also shocked to find out (and maybe this is true for all tournaments...
>I am not sure) that our parents... who paid $450 per person for a flight to
>MN, plus hotel, meals and tournament cost... had to pay to get into all the
>games ($5 per game or $12 for all games). To me that seems a bit
>rediculous but maybe I am off base. (?)
We also charge gate. We'd love to be able to not charge gate cause it would
really
lighten our work load (volunteer of course), we wouldn't have to sell
tickets, watch
doors, listen to everyone bitch about having to pay for it. HOWEVER, if we
didn't
charge gate, (not as much as in MN, I believe its $6 for a weekend
pass--don't quote me)
we'd lose money on the tournament, probably 2-3K, and not hold one at all.
If we could get a big sponsor, we'd probably drop gate, but since we haven't
found one,
that hasn't been brought up yet. So, just an opinion. I hate paying gate
myself, but
since we're still on a tight budget, that's what happens...
Make sure you give feedback to the tournament director, maybe they're new
and haven't
thought of some of this stuff. We play fri night, sat and sun. We try not
to schedule
out of town teams for friday night, esp. if they ask us not to. Some teams
plan on getting
in fri afternoon and let us know and we can schedule them....
Rhonda (man, I can't believe how much work goes into a tournament and i'm
only doing
part of it-- our tournament director is a saint! or crazy :) )
Rhonda Paprocki
email@hidden
"The race is not always to the swift....
but to those who keep on running."
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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:17:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Cc: email@hidden
Subject: Introduction
Message-ID:
Hi everyone,
I have mostly been a quiet participant on this list also. My name is Diane and
I am from Rochester, NY. I just re-learned how to skate Thanksgiving 1995 (I
used to figure skate as a kid) and joined a college co-ed (meaning I was the
only girl in the league) hockey team called the Panthers in December '95. Since
most of the players were like me and had just learned how to skate, we didn't
do too well but we all had lots of fun. I am 25 years old now and have been
taking a recreational hockey class/scrimmage for a year now. That's a lot of
fun too. I joined a practice for the local women's travel team (the only one
Rochester has) called the Susan B's but unfortunately, they are only allowed 18
players on their roster and everyone from last year returned so I was unable to
join the team this year. Next year they hope to have enough people join to
warrant two teams.
As for equipment, I have Bauer Supreme Comps from 1995 (absolutely great
skates. Like another member of this list, I learned on CCM's that were fitted
too big for me), Vic Jr.402 shin guards - also a great piece of equipment, well
padded and strong, Vic 390 Shoulder pads - the only piece of equipment I
absolutely hate. I love the way its padded (lots of it) but the shoulder part
of the pad is way too big for me and it gets in my way, Vic 104 elbow pads, Vic
222 gloves, and a Cooper Helmet. I also use an Easton aluminum stick which I
love, and a DR Pelvic Protector - fits very well, I don't even know I am
wearing one!
Diane
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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:39:35 -0600
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: "Senior" Minn. player
Message-ID:
Just a bit about the "70...or 77 year old player in the Minnesota
tournament." She is Jane Ring and she is currently 71 years of age
and still playing senior B women's hockey in Minnesota. She started
hockey at age 47 when some guys came over to the house to get her
daughter Sue to play hockey. Well, Sue wasn't home...so Jane went.
Which was the start of it all. Sue went on to join her at the
rink...then Sue started the U of M women's hockey club team....she
(with Jane's help) also started many youth teams in the Twin City
area. Sue was also the one who more or less started the Minnesota
Women's Hockey League. Sheryl, if you can add anything to the story
of Jane, jump right in.
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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:49:27 -0500
From: Perri Nejib
To: email@hidden
Subject: safety in numbers
Message-ID:
Hi!
Just responding to an initial request for an idea of just how many members
there are on this list! I do not usually respond all that much, but prefer
to take in all of the comments and useful info that are generated on the
list. One helpful hint though: As far as dealing with "smelly equipment"
I have found a couple of tried and true methods that have kept my hockey
bag and equipment pretty fresh.
For your equipment bag: Get some of those small disposable air freshners,
not ones with the perfumey smells, but those meant for the
refrigerator/freezer. They are mostly neutral and odor absorbing which is
what you want, not just some cover-up. I also purchased a De-Oderizer
piece of material that is to be placed on the bottom of your bag (I've seen
it in most of the mail order catalogs) and is treated with something
special to absorb and prevent any bacteria growth. Both of these items
have proven invaluable to my bag.
Stinky gloves/skates: Go to a natural food market/health food store and
look for a natural powder that does not contain talc. They will have ones
that are clay based or conr starch based with essential oil scents, if you
so desire. The one I use specifically indicates is use for shoes/sneakers
and is scented with lavender so it does not make you smell like perfume
when you skate. What it does do is absorb and make things smell a whole
lot better. If your gloves are getting pretty used, and the smell is even
transferring over to your hands I've found that spraying your hands both
before and after with some kind of scented water/body splash helps keep
them from obtaining that nasty glove smell.
Equipment Stink: My general procedure for equipment on a daily basis is to
immediately upon returning home forom a practice/game lay out/hang all
equipment out to dry (do not get lazy and leave it in your bag overnite!)
The next day, I lightly spray over the stuff with a neutral deoderizing
spray and put powderinto my skates and gloves. Sometime thereafter I have
even gotten into the practice of burning some incense around my hanging
equipment. But the best tip I've gotten was from somebody's Dad who
informed me that he takes his son's equipment every so often and puts it in
the dishwasher! Run it on a lite cycle and make sure you do not use the
heated drying option (just air dry). Well I've tried it twice now and its
a life saver! Everything (chest pads, elbow pads, and shin guards) came out
fine and smelling brand new! The only thing is that it takes a little
longer for your equipment to dry out, so try and give yourself at least 2
days before you need to use your stuff again.
I know this sounds too much like a "Helpful Hints from Heloise" piece, but
dealing with hockey equipment "stinkiness" is something all of us has to
deal with. Believe me, I know all too well from playing co-ed with the men
(and even on my women's team) what it feels like when someone either opens
their bag from hell, or skates by you on the ice and the stench (not the
checking) about knocks you over!
Good Luck!
Perri #68
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