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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 377
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Skates for wide feet?
by Anne Paulson
2) Re: Skates for wide feet?
by "BRICKELL, DAWN"
3) Re: On The Edge
by Rhonda Paprocki
4) Re: Am I over-reacting?
by Lea and Robert Sanford
5) Susan's Book(s)
by Lea and Robert Sanford
6) Skates for wide feet?
by email@hidden (MISS CAROLYN R SIMON)
7) Something Positive to Write About
by email@hidden
8) Desperately Seeking Brooklyn Blades
by Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
9) Re: Am I over-reacting?
by email@hidden (Milton Holmes)
10) WMUR
by email@hidden
11) Re: Skates for wide feet?
by Shannon
12) Re: Skates for wide feet?
by email@hidden
13) Re: Desperately Seeking Brooklyn Blades
by email@hidden
14) Re: WMUR
by email@hidden
15) Re: Am I over-reacting???
by Julie J Olenn
16) Re: Am I over-reacting???
by "Lyle R. Anderson"
17) On the Edge
by "Deathe, Barbara - DC"
18) Re: Skates for wide feet?
by "Catharine J. Reburn"
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 14:19:50 -0800
From: Anne Paulson
To: email@hidden
Subject: Skates for wide feet?
Message-ID:
I'm about to take a beginning hockey class (I think) and I'll have to buy all
the equipment (yeowch). I've seen some messages here with recommendations
of skates for women with narrow feet, and I wondered about skates for us
duck-footed women.
I know you narrow-foots will just say "What's the problem? Just buy mens' or
boys' skates!". It's not as simple as that. My feet are wide at the ball of
the foot but narrow at the ankle, which is, I understand, typical of women
with wide feet; to simplify, women tend to have triangular feet, and men
tend to have rectangular feet. I don't want to wear skates which fit my
forefoot, but have my ankle sloshing around. Any recommendations? I don't
want to spend a fortune, but neither do I want to buy something that is
inadequate or wears out quickly.
Another question- for you women who wear orthotics, do you put them in your
skates? My feet roll to the outside, and I had been putting my orthotics in
my rollerblades, but I decided that I seemed to skate better without.
Any recommendations for other gear are also welcome. I'm pretty tall and
broad-shouldered (5'8", built like the swimmer I once was), so I'm hoping
that some readily available men's equipment will work for me. As you can
tell, I'm a complete newbie at this; the only hockey I've played is a little
scrimmaging at roller hockey with my young son.
-- Anne Paulson
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 18:26:35 -0400
From: "BRICKELL, DAWN"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Skates for wide feet?
Message-ID:
At 02:21 PM 11/12/96 -0800, you wrote:
>I'm about to take a beginning hockey class (I think) and I'll have to buy all
>the equipment (yeowch). I've seen some messages here with recommendations
>of skates for women with narrow feet, and I wondered about skates for us
>duck-footed women.
>
>I know you narrow-foots will just say "What's the problem? Just buy mens' or
>boys' skates!". It's not as simple as that. My feet are wide at the ball of
>the foot but narrow at the ankle, which is, I understand, typical of women
>with wide feet; to simplify, women tend to have triangular feet, and men
>tend to have rectangular feet. I don't want to wear skates which fit my
>forefoot, but have my ankle sloshing around. Any recommendations? I don't
>want to spend a fortune, but neither do I want to buy something that is
>inadequate or wears out quickly.
>
>Another question- for you women who wear orthotics, do you put them in your
>skates? My feet roll to the outside, and I had been putting my orthotics in
>my rollerblades, but I decided that I seemed to skate better without.
>
>Any recommendations for other gear are also welcome. I'm pretty tall and
>broad-shouldered (5'8", built like the swimmer I once was), so I'm hoping
>that some readily available men's equipment will work for me. As you can
>tell, I'm a complete newbie at this; the only hockey I've played is a little
>scrimmaging at roller hockey with my young son.
>
>-- Anne Paulson
>
I'm built like you, I have wide feet and the skates that I have found to be
most comfortable are CCM Tacks 552. (This is my 6th pair of skates in 3
years, and the only ones I have found so far that I like.)
I'm also 5'8 and broad shouldered, and the most comfortable shoulder pads I
have found are Bauer Flak.
That's my opinion, but the best thing to do would probably just go out, look
around, and try stuff on until you find something that you like.
Dawn
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 00:27:17 GMT
From: Rhonda Paprocki
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: On The Edge
Message-ID:
>I have seen the book in many independent bookstores and chain bookstores in
>Ontario. One of the teams selling the book as a fundraiser is the Hamilton
>Golden Hawks AAA team; it should be available at all their games.
>
>Louise Mallory
PLUG....PLUG....PLUG.....
we will have some books at the Team Michigan Friendship Tournament
Nov 22-24 at fraser ice arenas.....
Rhonda
Team Michigan Tornados
Rhonda Paprocki
email@hidden
"The race is not always to the swift....
but to those who keep on running."
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 19:26:49 +0000
From: Lea and Robert Sanford
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Am I over-reacting?
Message-ID:
To the group:
I was thinking about how to write a letter to Boston Hockey, and
actually came up with some positive messages that *might* be projected
by the *hooters* ad.
1. We have something worth protecting.
2. Women play hard enough to need protection
3. There are women that have *realy* hard shots (assuming that women are
playing with other women)
I found myself fantasizing that players saw me comming on the ice and
wished they had those shoulder pads.
Gail (no you can't stay out of this one!) and I were discussing this at
the rink last night. On one hand, we couldn't believe that anyone would
find the ad to be effective adversizing. On the other, we *are* all
disussing the fact that Boston Hockey now features women's equipment. I
don't think that we would be doing that if thier ad were more tasteful.
I hope that we can convince them to be a little more respectful, but at
the same time, be glad that they are adding more women's equipment to
thier product line.
--Lea
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:25:00 +0000
From: Lea and Robert Sanford
To: email@hidden
Subject: Susan's Book(s)
Message-ID:
Susan
>
> Susan Helene Gottfried
> Assistant Coach, Chatham College Club Hockey
> Author of the Erroll Weiss Hockey novels (pub. pending)
> and out in the 'burbs of Mr. Roger's Neighborhood
I notice that you finished your book. Let us know when/how to obtain
copies. I am planning to ask for one for Christmas.
--Lea S. Sanford
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 20:18:32, -0500
From: email@hidden (MISS CAROLYN R SIMON)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Skates for wide feet?
Message-ID:
"I've seen some messages here with recommendations of skates for
women with narrow feet and I was wondering about skates for us duck-
footed women."
Well, Anne, I have fairy wide feet myself. I have many problems
buying women's size shoes, so often I find myself in either "bi"
shoes (such as Doc Martens) or boys sneakers.
But as far as skates go, I automatically opted for Bauer skates. The
white "clip" thingie on Tacks apparently allows more stiffness in the
boot but goes along with the fact that those skates appear to run
narrow for "skinnier" feet. I wear Bauer Supreme Composite 4000s, in
a size 4 1/2. I love these skates! They are a width D and fit like a
glove. All Bauer skates are made for wider feet, as far as I know, so
even if you go for a cheaper line they should still be satisfactory
for your duck feet. Hapy wading! : >
-Carolyn #21
New Jersey Selects
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 22:02:31 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Something Positive to Write About
Message-ID:
On Sunday November 17, 1996, WMUR-9 in Manchester will carry live the hockey
game between Cornell and UNH. Positive responses to the station will aid
other forms of media to get the idea that women's sports are marketable.
I have seen people vent their anger over what are perceived as negative
images for women. Here is one that can only be perceived as positive. Last
year the station in Derry took a chance and televised the historic ECAC
women's championship game.
Obviously due to the positive response WMUR is taking a step farther.
Being taken serious requires responsible responses to positive as well as
negative.
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 23:00:17 -0400
From: Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden
To: Maillist for women and hockey
Subject: Desperately Seeking Brooklyn Blades
Message-ID:
Hi,
I am looking for someone from the Brooklyn Blades. I think we played you
in a tournament last year at Old York Road Skating Club in Elkins Park,
just outside Philadelphia. We lost our scheduler from last year so I can't
get any info that way, and I deleted some email yesterday, and I know
someone from the Blades was in there. The lesson is NEVER clean up.
Anyway, we have found some ice time and would love a rematch. Please
contact me so we can set it up. Looking forward to hearing from you.
Debbie Minden
Old York Road Raiders.
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 23:19:17 -0400
From: email@hidden (Milton Holmes)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Am I over-reacting?
Message-ID:
Regarding this issue. My wife giggled at it first and she says it
generally doesn't bother her. She is not a hockey player but does compete
in sports. I do think taht it is very juvenile and insensitive at least.
I also agree with the people who advocate writing a letter to the company
to let them know your displeasure but at the same time not completely
flaming them.
I just have one question. I do not get this catalog so I don't know the
context of the comment. Are there equally juvenile comments in men's
sections? If so, although inappropriate, I highly doubt that this comment
was meant in a derogatory manner.
Regards,
Milton
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 23:49:34 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: WMUR
Message-ID:
The e-mail adress for WMUR-Channel 9 TV in Manchester N.H. is email@hidden
Drop them a line.
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 22:30:05 -0700 (MST)
From: Shannon
To: email@hidden
Cc: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Skates for wide feet?
Message-ID:
Also something to consider if you have problems with skates. I know may
people have talked about problems with this skate and that skate as far
as pain and fit. I have found that hockey skates in general rarely
provide a 'snug' fit. I was a speed skater before I switched to hockey,
and had developed bone spurs and tendonitis in my left ankle. I finally
got some orthodics, which I would recommend to anyone with high arches to
alleviate all these problems first. I had suffered shin splints,
straining in the back of the knee, plus the previously mentioned
problems. Put all that in a hockey skate that is primarily designed for
men, and you're asking for terrible foot problems. I ended up then
getting Bauers in an 'E' width because the orthodic didn't fit quite
right in the Tacks. I don't ever have foot pain and never notice my
skates (which is how it should be). Just my 2 cents.
<> <> <> Shannon Pelot Valerio <> <> <>
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:03:01 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Skates for wide feet?
Message-ID:
Anne -
Though I've never tried them, my male friends with similar feet styles to
yours suggest Reidell's. They swear that Reidell uses a tighter ankle cup
while leaving the rest of the foot more open.
For what it's worth.
Sue
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:29:50 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Desperately Seeking Brooklyn Blades
Message-ID:
Greetings!
We were just talking about you!
I'm on the Brooklyn Blades, though I was only on the beginner team last year
and didn't make the tournament. We had a team meeting Monday night and your
tournament is on the schedule, greatly anticipated. The schedule genies have
already booked us an 18-game season, so I don't know what's available for
one-off games, but you can email our coach, Aaron Foeste (email@hidden) or
captain Martha Ehrenfeld (email@hidden), both of whom would be delighted to
hear from you. I can say that March looks pretty open, depending on the
weather of course, or whether we can find an indoor rink.
Looking forward to playing you!
Margaret Lillard
Brooklyn Blades, #49
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:29:57 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: WMUR
Message-ID:
Hi from a former New Hampshirite who never figured MUR would do anything so
progressive.
Is there a particular person we should address the emails to?
Thanks
Margaret Lillard
Brooklyn Blades, #49
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 12:41:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Julie J Olenn
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Am I over-reacting???
Message-ID:
On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Ingrid Moon wrote:
> I've been trying to stay out of this one, but I just HAD to discuss it
> with my boyfriend last night. "I can see where some people find it
> offensive," he said. "But it seems in keeping with the humor of the
> catalog" (which we receive regularly and which makes great bathroom
> reading material). He also said, "Hooters is a restaurant. I don't see
> women complaining about that. It's not like they said 'Protect your
> tits from those hard hits'." For a comment like that I would have
> burned the catalog and possibly their warehouse.
Aaagh! Sorry, but I have to point out that your boyfriend has apparently
missed about 2 years worth of legal battles re: hooters restaurants and
derogatory/discriminatory treatment of women. In no small part due to the
word "hooters" (i.e. the breasts and not the owl logo over them...).
I agree that all letters directed to the company should be firm but
polite, giving them the benefit of the doubt. But given the great number
of legal and social precedents on the potentially offensive use of the
word "hooters," I find it unforgivable that anyone would take a chance on
it being interpreted as simply humorous.
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 08:43:37 -0900
From: "Lyle R. Anderson"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Am I over-reacting???
Message-ID:
Kristen M. Ede wrote:
>
> > Now, now... It seems likely that some rather immature person did a
> > little practicle joke. However. I have seen these comments directed at
> > male players enough to know that it was only a matter of time before one
> > would be directed at women.
> >
> > Certainly, there is a tremendous amount of discrimination against women
> > in hockey. Lets spend our effort on real issues facing female players,
> > and ignore the children's comments!
>
> To begin with, this IS a real issue facing female players and should NOT be
> ignored. Do you really think its fair to say that these types of comments
> are directed at men so it was only a matter of time? So that makes
> it....alright???
>
> Your understanding of the amount of discrimination we face should lead to
> the understanding that we have to make an effort to 'enlighten' those who
> are still in the dark ages.
>
> These are not children Lyle, and certainly not 'an immature person' who
> 'did a practical joke'. These are established businesses, with
> professional ADULTS that run them.
>
> I like Melissa's idea of printing out her form letter in the No Go section
> of Go Girl Magazine and sending it in to the Company. These issues do have
> to be addressed.
>
> Just my thought..(sorry but it hit a chord)
>
> Kristen Ede
> Thunder Bay Blades
Kristen: The comment is so close to similar comments regarding "cups"
that it seems unlikely it could be anything more than a joke. Your
response is intelligently written so I assume you are aware that a large
number of adults have childlike attitudes. Oftentimes even professional
people.
I am impressed that this discussion is happening. I do certainly agree
that there should be some form of action taken. It is likely a letter
writing campaign and boycott would be effective.
My understanding of discrimination, in any form, was never as clear as
it is now. Not until I became involved with Girls/Women as hockey
players, (and not just the father of a midget age player) as a coach and
representative to the Alaska State Hockey Association, did I realize
just what discrimination towards women really was. Sadly, I really
thought I knew! Turns out I was quite ignorant.
The Organization I am involved with, The Alaska Firebirds, have been
unable to get an ice allocation equal to that granted to boys
competitive programs. We are due to file suit any day now. Basically,
The Municipality of Anchorage has told our program that there just isn't
enough ice to go around and that the boys programs are "grandfathered."
It is clear that if a racial minority were to be denied use of a public
facility, based on the grandfathering of white people, it would not be
necessary to have a lawsuit to resolve the problem. For some reason,
when the offended class is women, it is much more difficult to get
resolution.
Most amazing is the fact that a simple reallocation of the ice given to
the boys would avoid a lawsuit which will be expenxive to the
taxpayers. It would only require each boys team to give up six to seven
hours of thier 75 hour annual allocation! Trying to get them to do that
has been like running into a brick wall for six long years now.
I am happy to see so much dedication to hockey on the net, particularly
from women!
Good luck in your endeavors!
Lyle Anderson
Alaska Firebirds
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 96 13:26:00 EST
From: "Deathe, Barbara - DC"
To: Women-in-Hockey
Subject: On the Edge
Message-ID:
Does anyone know who is the U.S. distributor or publisher of the book On the
Edge, Women Making Hockey History or how to find out where it is being sold?
Barbara
email@hidden
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:20:39 -0500 (EST)
From: "Catharine J. Reburn"
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Re: Skates for wide feet?
Message-ID:
On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, MISS CAROLYN R SIMON wrote:
> "I've seen some messages here with recommendations of skates for
> women with narrow feet and I was wondering about skates for us duck-
> footed women."
>
> Well, Anne, I have fairy wide feet myself. I have many problems
> buying women's size shoes, so often I find myself in either "bi"
> shoes (such as Doc Martens) or boys sneakers.
>
> But as far as skates go, I automatically opted for Bauer skates. The
> white "clip" thingie on Tacks apparently allows more stiffness in the
> boot but goes along with the fact that those skates appear to run
> narrow for "skinnier" feet. I wear Bauer Supreme Composite 4000s, in
> a size 4 1/2. I love these skates! They are a width D and fit like a
> glove. All Bauer skates are made for wider feet, as far as I know, so
> even if you go for a cheaper line they should still be satisfactory
> for your duck feet. Hapy wading! : >
>
> -Carolyn #21
> New Jersey Selects
>
I have wide feet too and find many of the brands pinch at the ball of the
feet or at the arch... leading to lots of pain... making it no fun to
play!
I had tried lots of different brands of skates with the same result....
anyway... I switched to CANSTAR Mega 10-90's (which I believe is
made by Bauer). They are a bit wider.. even in the boys size (6 D) which
I
have. ( the men's sizes may be available even wider)
just my 2 cents!
Cathy.
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