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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 365
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re[2]: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
by Jan de Regt
2) Re: female hockey tournament
by email@hidden
3) Re: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
by email@hidden (Kristen M. Ede)
4) RE: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
by Deanna Manson
5) RE: Re[2]: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
by "Machnik, Heather (HQ)"
6) Re: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
by email@hidden
7) Equipment for Women
by email@hidden
8) Re: The Value of Pelvic Protectors or Jills
by email@hidden (Stormwind)
9) Re: Equipment for Women
by Jan de Regt
10) Re: Equipment for Women
by "Anna O. Towne"
11) Re: Equipment for Women
by "Ashmun, Julia D"
12) Re: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
by "Ashmun, Julia D"
13) RE: Equipment for Women
by "Ashmun, Julia D"
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Date: 31 Oct 1996 07:51:01 -0500
From: Jan de Regt
To: email@hidden (Return requested),
Subject: Re[2]: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
Another effect of not having full body checking is that women must be
better skaters and puck handlers than men of the same level - for
instance, the defense can not simple check an attacking forward into
the boards to break up a play.
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Subject: Re: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
Author: email@hidden at Internet
Date: 10/30/96 5:07 PM
In a message dated 10/30/96 5:05:24 PM, you wrote:
<>
I think most women who play ice hockey won't want to talk about this one for
long... Most experts would say that structurally, womens bodies couldn't
take that kind of abuse for long without sustaining injuries... (if you ask
me, no one could... One unlucky hit on the boards, as we all know could be
crippling)... Mainly the weakness or flaw is in the structure of womens hip
bones... (I don't know if these descriptions are medically accurate but, it's
what I've heard...)
Anyway, my personal feeling is that hockey, (checking or no) is a rough fast
paced sport. I'm kind of glad our league doesn't have full body and on the
boards checking; It would definitely result in more injures not to mention
make a hard game even harder. Leave it to the pros making the millions....
Lisa Jane
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 05:29:18 PST
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: female hockey tournament
Message-ID:
HI Jack,
Please send me more info on the hockey tourn in April.
Colleen Noll
20580 Almaden Road
San Jose CA 95120
e-mail email@hidden
I am on a women's team called "Team Abby". We have been together for a
few months now and are one of the first women's teams to paly in a
almost all-male dominated league. Most of our women have played for 2+
years. We put this team together to play more competitive and to play
in tournaments.
Thanks,
Colleen Noll
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:13:19 -0500
From: email@hidden (Kristen M. Ede)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
Message-ID:
>email@hidden (Jess Becker) writes:
>> At the Div I level, the only significant differences between men's and
>> women's hockey are: there is no body checking in women's hockey (although
>> body contact is allowed), and there is "no red line" in women's hockey,
>> meaning that we use the blue line instead of the red line to determine
>> icing, and that 2 line passes are legal.
For the record, not all Women's Hockey is played with the above rules. In
Ontario, we play with a red line just like the Men for icing and two line
passes. The ONLY difference is there is no Body Checking in our league, and
actually most of the Men's teams (non-pro) are Non Body Checking as well.
So pragmatically, there are no differences between the two games.
I have been told that the main difference between Men and Women's style of
play is that the Men pass more, and Goalies have told me that the Men shoot
sooner (i.e. more blue line shoots etc..) and more often.
Off to Hockey now....
Kristen Ede
#10
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:20:11 -0400
From: Deanna Manson
To: "'email@hidden'"
Subject: RE: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
Message-ID:
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I play full-contact broomball and I feel that it really makes the game. The
contact in broomball though can't really be compared to the contact in the
faster-paced game of hockey.
Deanna Manson
Greenwood, Nova Scotia, Canada
email@hidden
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:00:00 -0500
From: "Machnik, Heather (HQ)"
To: Jan de Regt
Cc: WIH
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
Message-ID:
This is precisely why I prefer women's hockey over men's. I would
rather watch finesse/talent than muscle. Makes the game more
interesting and fun to watch.
-heather
SUNY Plattsburgh '92
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From: Jan de Regt
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Re[2]: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
Date: Thursday, October 31, 1996 8:07AM
Another effect of not having full body checking is that women must
be
better skaters and puck handlers than men of the same level - for
instance, the defense can not simple check an attacking forward
into
the boards to break up a play.
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:09:23 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
Message-ID:
Ingrid, regarding your excellent questions of 10-29 regarding mens v. women's
equipment and bodychecking -- I'm a novice player, but I think I have some
clear answers for you.
The bodychecking one is easy: It's a controversy, by definition different
people have good arguments for and against it. As for where it stands now --
no INTENTIONAL bodychecking at any level of the women's game, anywhere --
it's discussed in Brian McFarlane's terrific book, "Proud Past, Bright
Future; One Hundred Years of Canadian Women's Hockey." He explains that at
the first Women's World Championship, held in 1990 in Ottawa, bodychecking
was legal. He writes: "Ironically, it was the Europeans who supported
full-body checking, while the Canadians, known for their physical play, led
those opposed to it. Pat Reid, the tournament's manager, said Canadian
officials felt the women's game would develop more rapidly if the speed and
individual skills were promoted and the rough play deemphasized." The book
touches on the argument repeatedly (it's worth reading; no, I don't have an
interest in its sales...); the main arguments appear to be make it just like
the men's v. the developing-game theory and those who DON'T want to be just
like the men. Kind of like mens v. women's basketball.
As a big woman (5'11"), you'd think I'd be all for checking. But as I said,
I'm a beginner, and I like the opportunity to concentrate on developing
skating, passing, etc. Also, when I play with men at about my level, let's
face it -- they can squash me without much effort, but I can beat them
frequently on maneuvering and passing, so the skills work is paying off.
Maybe it would be good to let checking go for now, until the game has more of
a toehold, or else include it only in the highest levels, like collegiate and
international.
As for equipment, again, I'm big, but I'm also skinny, so I welcome "women's"
equipment that will allow me to buy for length and shape and not for size.
Currently I wear men's medium pants that are just long enough but too danged
big -- I look like I'm wearing bed pillows cinched in really tight in the
waist. Face it; men's clothes don't fit us, why should men's athletic
equipment? Don't even ask me about finding skates for a long, NARROW foot.
Also, with no INTENTIONAL checking, you can buy certain body armor of a
slightly lower grade (elbow pads, shoulder pads, for example), which has been
helpful for some of our people who didn't have zillions to invest.
Good luck!
Margaret Lillard
Brooklyn Blades (the only women's ice hockey team in NYC -- yes, really)
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:15:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Cc: email@hidden
Subject: Equipment for Women
Message-ID:
Does anyone in the Rochester, NY area know of any sports stores that actually
stock women's equipment? I know Jones makes some and a lot of people carry
Jones around here but no one stocks it. I wouldn't order something without
trying it on first. Also, does anyone in the area know how to properly fit a
woman for shoulder pads? I got my current shoulder pads at Play It Again Sports
(new) and the guy said, "It looks like it fits, we have to cover you women up
more anyway." (Very condescending attitude but he was only a kid so I ignored
him).
Thanks for the info!
Diane
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:04:39 -0800
From: email@hidden (Stormwind)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: The Value of Pelvic Protectors or Jills
Message-ID:
Debbie asks:
He said that anything that people think needs protecting i.e., ovaries and
uterus, is so deep in the pelvis and protected by bony prominences, that
the way a pelvic protector was made, it wasn't of any use.
personally, i wasn't worried about
the ovaries and such...i've fallen on
the crossbar of a bike before, and
i still remember what that felt like,
so i wear a jock. the importance of
a jock was driven home to me the exact
same afternoon i bought it, as someone
bounced a slapshot right off the thing
in practice that night.
*i* didn't feel anything. i'm sure that,
had i not been wearing it, i would have
been curled up into a ball of agony.
He said that
protection for the vulva was probably more important, but the construction
of hockey pants probably made that unnecessary as well (is that really
true?).
no, it's not true. most forward and
defense hockey pants have no internal
thigh padding, and no crotch padding.
most goalie pants have at least a couple
of styrofoam "ribs" running down the
insides of the thighs...but again, no
crotch padding.
i have, on occasion, played goal without
a jock....but that's rare these days.
it's also rare that anyone bounces a
shot off my crotch, but that's probably
the level of play i deal with.
my experiences with jocks run as follows:
as a goalie in a co-ed league, i was
a little more worried about abdomen shots,
and so i bought the Cooper goalie's cup,
which features a lower abdomen kevlar
shield. this is a great item...until you
start bending waaaaay over in a crouch
like most goalies do. then it starts
digging way into your gut and it actually
limits your freedom of movement. also
note that they didn't at the time make
these for women...after examining a "jill",
i snorted and bought the Cooper.
after leaving the goalie jock at home
by accident one night, and discovering
how much more movement i could get without
the plate digging in my gut, i bought a
pair of those hockey short-jocks, and pulled
the men's cup out of the goalie jock and
put it in the shorts. MUCH better.
my only injury to date has been an over
enthusiastic belly-dive to save the puck,
which resulted in (somehow) landing on
the cup a bit hard. i had a bruise for a
week where the edge dug in, but that was
it.
personally, i worry more about sticks in
the neck, ripper slap shots that tear your
arm off, and ripper slap shots in the backs
of the legs. i've experienced both of the
slap shot issues and took far, far more damage
from both of those.
stormwind
hell's amazon
lord of the frozen realm
stormwind
hell's amazon
lord of the frozen realm
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Date: 31 Oct 1996 13:56:19 -0500
From: Jan de Regt
To: email@hidden (Return requested),
Subject: Re: Equipment for Women
Cooper is the only company that I know of who makes women's chest
protectors. I like mine very well - it fits much better than the one
I had before, although it depends on how you're built.
As for other pieces of equipment, the only think I know of is that
Louisville is supposed to be coming out with a line this year, and I
haven't seen it anywhere yet.
Good luck!
Jan.
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Subject: Equipment for Women
Author: email@hidden at Internet
Date: 10/31/96 12:53 PM
Does anyone in the Rochester, NY area know of any sports stores that actually
stock women's equipment? I know Jones makes some and a lot of people carry
Jones around here but no one stocks it. I wouldn't order something without
trying it on first. Also, does anyone in the area know how to properly fit a
woman for shoulder pads? I got my current shoulder pads at Play It Again Sports
(new) and the guy said, "It looks like it fits, we have to cover you women up
more anyway." (Very condescending attitude but he was only a kid so I ignored
him).
Thanks for the info!
Diane
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 14:36:51 -0500 (EST)
From: "Anna O. Towne"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Equipment for Women
Message-ID:
I have a pair of Louisville pants and I like them a lot. I have
had them for just a short time but they are already the most comfortable
and definitly the best pair I've had. (By the way I'm new here. My name
is Anna Towne and I play for the University of Vermont. I've been playing
Ice Hockey for over 10 years. I am a freshman at UVM.)
On Thu, 31 Oct 1996, Jan de Regt wrote:
>
>
> Cooper is the only company that I know of who makes women's chest
> protectors. I like mine very well - it fits much better than the one
> I had before, although it depends on how you're built.
>
> As for other pieces of equipment, the only think I know of is that
> Louisville is supposed to be coming out with a line this year, and I
> haven't seen it anywhere yet.
>
> Good luck!
> Jan.
>
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
> Subject: Equipment for Women
> Author: email@hidden at Internet
> Date: 10/31/96 12:53 PM
>
>
> Does anyone in the Rochester, NY area know of any sports stores that actually
> stock women's equipment? I know Jones makes some and a lot of people carry
> Jones around here but no one stocks it. I wouldn't order something without
> trying it on first. Also, does anyone in the area know how to properly fit a
> woman for shoulder pads? I got my current shoulder pads at Play It Again Sports
> (new) and the guy said, "It looks like it fits, we have to cover you women up
> more anyway." (Very condescending attitude but he was only a kid so I ignored
> him).
>
> Thanks for the info!
>
> Diane
>
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 96 14:45:00 EST
From: "Ashmun, Julia D"
To: women-in-hockey
Subject: Re: Equipment for Women
Message-ID:
Actually Louiville Equipment has a full line of standard and custom women's
forward equipment, goalie equipment, and sticks (Kelly Dyer and Cammi
Grannato). Jofa, D&R, JOC, Brian and I believe one other also make some
women's equipment. I'm presently trying Louiville's shoulder pad and I hear
their coming out with a beefier should pad soon to complement the existing
style(s).
Julia Ashmun
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From: women-in-hockey
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Re: Equipment for Women
Date: Thursday, October 31, 1996 11:06AM
Cooper is the only company that I know of who makes women's chest
protectors. I like mine very well - it fits much better than the one
I had before, although it depends on how you're built.
As for other pieces of equipment, the only think I know of is that
Louisville is supposed to be coming out with a line this year, and I
haven't seen it anywhere yet.
Good luck!
Jan.
______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
Subject: Equipment for Women
Author: email@hidden at Internet
Date: 10/31/96 12:53 PM
Does anyone in the Rochester, NY area know of any sports stores that
actually
stock women's equipment? I know Jones makes some and a lot of people carry
Jones around here but no one stocks it. I wouldn't order something without
trying it on first. Also, does anyone in the area know how to properly fit a
woman for shoulder pads? I got my current shoulder pads at Play It Again
Sports
(new) and the guy said, "It looks like it fits, we have to cover you women
up
more anyway." (Very condescending attitude but he was only a kid so I
ignored
him).
Thanks for the info!
Diane
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 96 14:55:00 EST
From: "Ashmun, Julia D"
To: women-in-hockey
Subject: Re: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
Message-ID:
Div I level women's college hockey is in the process of adopting 'Red line
icing'.
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From: women-in-hockey
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Re: Men's vs. Women's Hockey
Date: Tuesday, October 29, 1996 10:35PM
>> So let me ask all the women out there... Is women's hockey very
>> different from men's?
At the Div I level, the only significant differences between men's and
women's hockey are: there is no body checking in women's hockey (although
body contact is allowed), and there is "no red line" in women's hockey,
meaning that we use the blue line instead of the red line to determine
icing, and that 2 line passes are legal.
There are other differences, some of which are very disturbing, such as the
fact that our refs are officially Div III refs and get paid less than 1/3
as much as the men's refs. However, these types of differences do not
directly affect the way we play -- our slapshots are often just as hard and
our competion is just as intense.
I've heard that the coaches and colleges are trying to change the rules and
that there will soon be a red line for Div. I women's hockey. Hopefully,
our refs will get equal treatment as well. The goal is to have us play the
exact same game as the men, minus the body checking.
Later,
Jess Becker #6,
Cornell Women's Ice Hockey Team
email@hidden
It doesn't matter if your team has good players, it matters if your players
have a good team.
- Morag McPherson, Cornell #21
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 96 18:35:00 EST
From: "Ashmun, Julia D"
To: women-in-hockey
Subject: RE: Equipment for Women
Message-ID:
Shoulder Pads:
1. Bring your elbow pads with you.
Make sure the size and style of shoulder pad is not too, thus going
over or hitting your elbow or
Too short, thus not giving you enough protection against taller
opponents.
2. Check that the padding has plastic in it to defer the puck's impact.
3. Check that the shoulder pad does not slip off the shoulder when shooting
(such as the Supras) and yet
has enough mobility to shoot and stick handle (unlike Donzi's and
football like shoulder pads).
4. Many prefer the front of the pads to come down and cover the stomach
(i.e. Flaks, Supra, Louisville
TPS, Easton SP975, Winnwell Avengers, Cooper Flex(or SP900) and
someJofas).
The pads most seen in the A & B divisions (especially those who also play in
men's leagues) are: Cooper Flex (or SP900), Flaks, and Supra SP600. Many
of us are looking forward to seeing Louisville's beefier women's should pad.
In the mean time, those who can't wear the flatter men's pads might enjoy
the Flak which bend. I have take to putting a shoe string on the bottom of
my should pads to tie them to my pant so that they don't ride up during play
or a hit in the corner.
Julia Ashmun
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From: women-in-hockey
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Equipment for Women
Date: Thursday, October 31, 1996 9:21AM
Does anyone in the Rochester, NY area know of any sports stores that
actually
stock women's equipment? I know Jones makes some and a lot of people carry
Jones around here but no one stocks it. I wouldn't order something without
trying it on first. Also, does anyone in the area know how to properly fit a
woman for shoulder pads? I got my current shoulder pads at Play It Again
Sports
(new) and the guy said, "It looks like it fits, we have to cover you women
up
more anyway." (Very condescending attitude but he was only a kid so I
ignored
him).
Thanks for the info!
Diane
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