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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 161
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: women's clinics
by email@hidden (Rhonda Paprocki)
2) Re: women's clinics
by "Ricky.Scero"
3) Re: scholarships+grad programs
by "Andria L. Hunter"
4) USA hockey stuff
by PETRERJ
5) WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY digest 160 -Reply
by email@hidden
6) GB Goalie leaves Guildford
by Ray Barton
7) Guildford Lightning Head Coach Resigns
by Ray Barton
8) Guildford Lightning lose General Manager
by Ray Barton
9) Re: women's clinics
by Mary Wood
10) Re: scholarships+grad programs
by email@hidden (Louise C. Mallory)
11) Manon Rheaume traded
by "Marc J. Ouellette"
12) 3rd Annual Slide for Pride Tournament
by "HARRIS, zharris"
13) Re: Putting info on the web page
by email@hidden (Chuq Von Rospach)
14) re: clinics
by email@hidden (Rhonda Paprocki)
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:05:09 -0500 (EST)
From: email@hidden (Rhonda Paprocki)
To: email@hidden (Mary Kostishak)
Subject: Re: women's clinics
Message-ID:
>
> Rhonda,
>
> Got your message about the clinics. Could you check the phone number again?
> I called and got a message that it had been changed to 301-738-3436. When I
> called that number I got a voice mail but no identification as to who the
> voice mail was for.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mary Kostishak
> email@hidden
>
Yep, just did the same thing. Double checked the phone number on the
brochure 800 868-7679.........I left a voice mail message, hoping someone
would call me back. Unfortunately I tried to call AFTER I posted
the message.... Will re-post number if I find out what is wrong.
Rhonda
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:23:00 -0500
From: "Ricky.Scero"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: women's clinics
Message-ID:
Message authorized by:
: email@hidden_at_INTERNET at WORLDTALK
Rhonda,
Just a quick little note, my daughter teams just finished their first
Little Ceasar's playoff game against the Mt. Clemens boys Mite 'A'
travel team. (She plays goal for the boys Mite 'A' team here in
Sylvania.) They've had 3 great games against your Mt. Clemens team.
She shut them out 3-0 in the first round of a tournament in Flint,
then shut them out 1-0 in 5 overtimes in the championship game. In
their playoff game, it ended in a 1-1 tie. They gave her a hard time
in the first game for being a girl, but after the last two, many of
the parents and players have congradulated her personally. I was
impressed by the respect they have shown. It's a nice reflection on
the Mt. Clemens association.
Rick.
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Subject: women's clinics
Author: email@hidden_at_INTERNET at WORLDTALK
Date: 2/6/96 11:07 AM
hi!
Me again :) Just wanted to let people know about some clinics this
summer. I'm not associated with this organization, just attended the
clinics last summer and really liked it.
This summer they will have clinics in:
Anchorage, Alaska
Lakewood, California
Chicago, Illinois
Chamonix, France <- high school students only
Mt. Clemens, Michigan
Eden Prairie, Minnesota
Walpole, Massachusetts
Rockville, Maryland
The head coach is Karen Kay (UNH coach). They have a girls ice hockey
school (age 8-18, all levels), a senior womens hockey clinic, and a High
level training program (min age 14-- for college bound hopefuls).
If you want more info call them at 800-868-7679.
Last year, she brought along some of the Team USA skaters (Shelley Looney,
Kelly Dyer, Chris Bailey --hope I got the names right and spelled right).
The flyer advertises the following as guest coaches for this year:
Christina Bailey, Lisa Brown, Karyn Bye, Cindy Curley, Shawna Davidson, Maria
Dennis, Kelly Dyer, Shelley Looney, Brian McClosky, Fred Quistgard,
Sue Reece, Kelley Roberts, Joe Snicinski, and Gretchen Ulion.
Also, if you haven't guessed, if you're trying to play in college, this
would give you visibility since Karen coaches at UNH, Lisa coaches at
Princeton, Joe coaches at Yale, and lots others are ass't coaches.
If you're interested, give them a call and get the info.
Sorry if anyone is upset about this pseudo ad, I just think this is too great
an opportunity to miss... at least find out about it. I don't know how they
advertise, but if I hadn't wandered into Mt. Clemens rink last year and picked
up a brochure I wouldn't have heard of it.
Rhonda
email@hidden
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:32:47 -0500
From: "Andria L. Hunter"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: scholarships+grad programs
Message-ID:
>To Cathy and any other Canadian grad students - Sorry, we have eligability
>rules in the US that don't allow grad students to play. However, I was
>thinking of going to Canada to get my MBA so I can get my degree and
>continue skating (I'm a junior at Cornell). Does anyone have any info that
>would help me?
The reason that there is currently no restriction on the number of years that
you can play women's university hockey in Canada is because there is currently
no national title (CIAU). There are women's university hockey leagues in the
Maritimes, Ontario, and Quebec, but the winners of each league do not currently
go on to compete for a National title.
However, within the next few years (and possibly as early as next year), there
will be a National CIAU title in Canada for women's hockey. There has been
a push for this because they want to bring up the number of CIAU sports for
women to the same number of CIAU sports for men. From what I understand, this
would mean that women university hockey players would have to follow the
same eligibility rules as the men do in Canada. I think that means 5 years
of eligibility, but I'm not sure of the details. I'll check with my coach
and get back to you on this. I would assume that everyone starts at zero in
terms of eligibility when this first gets incorporated, but I'm not sure.
Andria
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Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1996 14:41:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: PETRERJ
To: email@hidden
Cc: JUDITH PETRERE
Subject: USA hockey stuff
Message-ID: <9146411406021996/A06689/PETVAX/11A233A92E00*@MHS>
I called Karen Lundgren (USA Hockey, Section Director, Girls and Women) to ask
her if she knew about any posters w/ women hockey players, she said she knew of
one w/ a girl on it but not w/ a women skater. She said she would gladly take
any and all ideas, photos, designs, etc. to USA Hockey and encourage them to
produce publicity items like posters, hats, etc.
You may contact her directly:
Karen Lundgren
15868 Silver Lake Lane
Addison, MI 49220
(517) 547-6565
No e-mail address yet
-Judy
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Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1996 15:27:01 -0600
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY digest 160 -Reply
Message-ID:
Minnesota also has a host of summer hockey schools and camps for
girls. Doug Woog (U of MN Men's coach) hosts a camp - along with
many other names - some including USA team members. If anyone is
interested, I can try and get a list. Let me know if anyone out
there is interested, otherwise I won't gather the info.
Also, regarding USA Hockey gender-specific clothing. After asking
for 6 years for this, Minnesota was finally able to get them to do a
pony-tail on this years USA Hockey National merchandise. It was done
without a pony-tail and we told Doug Palazzari (sp?) to send it back
and add the pony-tail! So, they are finally opening their eyes.
They have no idea how much clothes girls buy do they? So, come to
Nationals in Bloomington and buy some t-shirts, etc.!!!
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Date: Tue, 06 Feb 96 21:52:00 PST
From: Ray Barton
To: email@hidden, email@hidden
Subject: GB Goalie leaves Guildford
Message-ID:
Gill Barton GB's top female goalie left Guildford Lightning last week and
has transferred to Swindon Topcats.
There were many reasons to Gill's decision to leave Guildford, the main
ones being the involvement of parents and the interference from the
Guildford Flames organization. Since the start of the season the parents
of Junior females some only in their 1st year at Guildford have been trying
to get their own way. Forgetting that the Guildford Lightning is a Senior
Women's team and not really a development team.
Also pressure from the Guildford Flames organization who buy ALL the ice
time from Guildford council and then charging extortionate rates for the
ice, with a "If your not happy, Leave" attitude. The girls were also
FORCED to join Junior Development, where on top of the þ20 per month ice
fees there is a further þ10 per month to pay for junior development in
which you get NOTHING in return.
Gill sickened that a once great, happy, and successful team decided that
after the General Manager Pete Dowling had resigned that there would be
nobody there to fight for the girls rights and asked for her release after
Guildford had played Bracknell, leaving the Lightning 2 weeks to get a
replacement before the January signing deadline.
Gill is now settled in her new teams at Swindon. Her only comment with
respect to Guildford was "Guildford's Junior development is not the wonder
of British Ice Hockey that everyone is making it out to be." Commenting on
her new club she said "a lot of clubs could learn a lot from Swindon's
junior development, it's nice to go to a rink where everyone's interested
in hockey, and not the empire they could build."
Gill now joins the ever increasing list of good British players that have
left the Guildford Organization.
BHF
PS
Gill will be representing GB again this year at the European Championships
being held in Slovakia. March 11th to 17th.
We wish her all the best.
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Date: Tue, 06 Feb 96 22:14:00 PST
From: Ray Barton
To: email@hidden, email@hidden
Subject: Guildford Lightning Head Coach Resigns
Message-ID:
Guildford Lightning Head Coach Ray Barton resigned from his duties last
week due to conflicts with Parents and the Guildford Flames organisation.
Ray who is quoted as being one of the top women's hockey coaches in the
country said "I had a great time with the Lightning, but with the ever
increasing pressure from parents looking out for number 1 and the Flames
organisation trying to squeeze every penny out of the girls and interfering
in the running of the team. It became increasingly difficult to do the
right things right. The Flames organisation treated me as if I was on the
payroll forgetting that I was actualy employed and earning a lot of money
working for a computer company. Threats of being fired for not complying
with their Junior development policies when you are actualy only doing a
volunteers job, for the love of the sport were a joke, but they meant it.
I wish most of the girls in the team the best for the future and hope they
can build on what they have left."
Ray's role of Head Coach will now be taken over by former Asst/Goalie Coach
John Noctor. Ray wishes John all the best and knows he will do a good job.
As for Ray, He says he is retiring from Coaching women's hockey but will be
continuing to coach the Men's Rec team at Basingstoke until the end of the
season.
VASSA :<
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Date: Tue, 06 Feb 96 21:54:00 PST
From: Ray Barton
To: email@hidden, email@hidden
Subject: Guildford Lightning lose General Manager
Message-ID:
Peter Dowling General Manager of the Guildford Lightning resigned 3 weeks
ago. Pete is on the list and I am sure he will update you all with his own
reasons.
Pete will be replaced by former Lightning Captain Sue Cuthbertson.
BHF
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 17:26:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Mary Wood
To: Rhonda Paprocki
Subject: Re: women's clinics
Message-ID:
The Chesapeake Bay Lightning along with their Head Coach Nelson Burton
will be hosting **free clinics on the following dates:
Sunday, March 31, 11:45 a.m. at Tucker Rd. Ice Rink, Ft. Washington, MD
Wednesdays, April 3, 10 and 17 9:30 p.m. at Benfield Pines Ice Rink,
Millersville, MD
**These clinics are free to girls and women who are not currently
registered on a women's team. It is to introduce ice hockey to girls and
women who have never played before but who would like to try it out
without incurring a huge financial obligation. Our current club members
will be at the clinic to welcome the newcomers.
Girls and women who are playing on boys' or adult (mostly men's) teams
are welcome as well, to give them the taste of playing on an all-female
club.
The Club is looking to develop a learn-to-play program in addition to its
travel programs for the next season, and this is a step in that
direction. If anyone in the Maryland/Virginia/Washington D.C. area would
like more information, please contact email@hidden.
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 18:09:38 +0800
From: email@hidden (Louise C. Mallory)
To: email@hidden, email@hidden
Subject: Re: scholarships+grad programs
Message-ID:
>However, within the next few years (and possibly as early as next year), there
>will be a National CIAU title in Canada for women's hockey. There has been
>a push for this because they want to bring up the number of CIAU sports for
>women to the same number of CIAU sports for men. From what I understand, this
>would mean that women university hockey players would have to follow the
>same eligibility rules as the men do in Canada. I think that means 5 years
>of eligibility, but I'm not sure of the details. I'll check with my coach
>and get back to you on this. I would assume that everyone starts at zero in
>terms of eligibility when this first gets incorporated, but I'm not sure.
Well, Andria, that should still give you enough time to get a Ph.D. before
your eligibility runs out ......
A question for followers of the ECAC: The original poster said that "grad
students aren't eligible". What is the rule? Is it a league rule or an
NCAA rule?
Most of what I know about varsity sports in the US comes from the
big-budget NCAA men's sports, and there the rule seems to be "four years of
play in your first five years of college". It seems to me that I have seen
mention of male athletes playing in their 4th year of eligibility, who have
started graduate school.
And to Cathy at Queen's and any other Canadians wondering about grad
school/sport opportunities in the USA: In many fields, it is possible to
arrange research associateships, teaching associateships, and/or
fellowships to support you in graduate school in the US. I chose to do my
Ph.D. at a university which didn't have any female hockey at the time, but
did have ice, so I helped to start a women's hockey club here which is now
thriving with both competitive and instructional/recreational programs
..... At some universities, the rules of the club-sport program are
flexible enough to allow grad students, part-time students, faculty, staff,
alumnae, and domestic partners of the above to compete.
I'm particularly grateful to the American Association of University Women,
which granted me an International Fellowship for one year of my program.
One of the criteria for those fellowships is that the grantee have a record
of civic service to improve the lives of women and girls in her home
country .... so I told them about my commitment to female ice hockey .....
Louise
* Louise *
* "No-one said it would be easy; no-one thought we'd come this far." *
* -Sheryl Crow *
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 23:05:57 -0500
From: "Marc J. Ouellette"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Manon Rheaume traded
Message-ID:
Just heard on the radio that Manon Rheaume has been traded from the New Jersey
Rock 'n Rollers of the RHI to the Ottawa Rollerbladers, in exchange for two
draft picks. Thought some of you might be interested in this info...
Marc J. Ouellette (email@hidden) Les Canadiens sont l`a!
"Angry words won't stop the fight, two wrongs don't make it right" - U2
--
Info on Central Ontario Women's Hockey League:
http://www.dgp.toronto.edu/people/vv1/COWHL.html
Coach and Player Profiles for University of Toronto Varsity Blues:
http://www.dgp.toronto.edu/people/vv1/VB/blues.html
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 96 08:13:00 -0800
From: "HARRIS, zharris"
To: email@hidden
Subject: 3rd Annual Slide for Pride Tournament
Message-ID:
1996 Slide for Pride:
Looking for gay and/or gay friendly ice hockey teams to participate in the
1996 Slide for Pride -- Northwest Gay/Lesbian Winter Sports Festival. Ice
Hockey preliminary games to be held Friday (pm) and Saturday, March 29-30.
Finals to be held Sunday, March 31st at Kingsgate Ice Arena in Kirkland,
Washington (just outside Seattle).
For more information or to register please call Laker, the Emerald City
Chieftains, at (206)782-6939...(or email email@hidden)
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:17:35 -0700
From: email@hidden (Chuq Von Rospach)
To: email@hidden,
Subject: Re: Putting info on the web page
Message-ID:
At 12:03 PM 2/5/96, Rhonda Paprocki wrote:
> We'd like to list contacts for teams/leagues, but
> how to do it without subjecting those contact people to possible
> advertising or other mailings or things such as that.
>
> I admit to being nervous about this to an extent since the web can
> have such high traffic.
There's some tradeoff. If you want visibility, you run the risk of a
few idiots mis-using the access. The same is true of being in the
Yellow Pages, putting flyers up on bulletin boards at the rinks looking
for new players...
> On one hand, its great to see all of the
> women's teams/leagues, on the other, you don't know who's looking at this
> info and for what reason.
The web's no different than the rest of real life, fortunately and
unfortunately.
Ever had an idiot show up at a practice just to be a boor? Did that
make you stop practicing?
> Any comments? Am I being too paranoid?
My feeling is this: if the fear of a problem happens keeps you from
trying, then the idiots of the world win by default. The only way you
avoid risk is by crawling in a hole and not trying. That doesn't mean
you ignore risk. It means you understand and manage risk. One or two
bad apples shouldn't stop hundreds of people from gaining benefit to
something, IMHO.
> BTW, the Minnesota registrar suggested only listing contacts for
> the league levels, which I did (although I added those individuals in
> the league who offered to be a contact (ie Tom).
This is a good way to deal with it -- give people a choice. If they
don't mind being a public contact, great. If they do, don't force it on
them. And we can try things, and adjust them as needed, too. What's
started with isn't what we necessarily end up with. If there are
problems, Laurie and I will work with folks to deal with them -- even
if it means Laurie and I are the contacts and only we have the database
of contacts to hand out after we've talked to the people who come
looking. And if we don't have problems, over time, people will feel
more comfortable with it and worry less.
We can find something that works. I don't expect problems -- or, at
least, no more problems than anything else in real life causes. And we
can deal with them.
The trick is not giving in before you start, because then they did win,
and didn't even have to do anything....
--
Chuq Von Rospach * email@hidden * email@hidden *
Member: SFWA
Apple Computer World Wide Server Solutions Support *
Plaidworks Consulting
Software Gnome and general Internet tweaker
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 13:22:35 -0500 (EST)
From: email@hidden (Rhonda Paprocki)
To: email@hidden
Subject: re: clinics
Message-ID:
> Yep, just did the same thing. Double checked the phone number on the
> brochure 800 868-7679.........I left a voice mail message, hoping someone
> would call me back. Unfortunately I tried to call AFTER I posted
> the message.... Will re-post number if I find out what is wrong.
>
Just got a call from RinkSport. They are in the middle of moving their
offices and said the 800 number should be corrected shortly (at least they
were promised that it would be).
Rhonda
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