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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 416
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Out of state
by email@hidden
2) Re: Manon
by Laurie Solgon
3) RE: recruiting to beef up teams for playoffs
by "HARRIS, zharris"
4) One last Manon posting...
by email@hidden
5) RHI's President Jerry Diamond dies at age 68
by Grass Valley League Office - RHI
6) Re: One last Manon posting...
by Cliff Todd
7) Re: recruiting to beef up teams for playoffs
by Cliff Todd
8) Admin: The Cliff Todd spam
by Chuq Von Rospach
9) Re: Mothers of Sons vs. Mothers of daughters!
by "Anne K. Ritchie"
10) Re: Admin: The Cliff Todd spam
by email@hidden
11) Re[2]: Mothers of Sons vs. Mothers of daughters!
by Jan de Regt
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 09:13:07 -0600
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Out of state
Message-ID:
Some comments from me regarding out of state or district players on
teams. USA Hockey requires that all players who play on an out of
district or out of state team must have a signed waiver from the USA
Hockey registrar. Contact the USA Hockey registrar to see if these
girls "are legitimate". If you wish to address this issue and have
it placed on the next agenda for discussion, contact Karen Lundgren,
USA Hockey Girls Section Director at 517-547-6565. I don't have her
address here at work, but it's in the USA Hockey book. Dorene
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 09:16:08 -0700 (MST)
From: Laurie Solgon
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Re: Manon
Message-ID:
When I posted my note last weekend, I had no idea that I'd get such a
lively response. I am not an autograph seeker, and I've met a few "stuck
up" celebrities in my day. It doesn't surprise me that Manon would or
could be unpleasant. I think that given sudden celebrity, many of us
would have trouble keeping the right attitude. She may have also been
humbled since her initial fame. Whatever the circumstances, I just
emailed her whereabouts for those interested. And I see her as a door
opener. Just like Shannon Faulkner was at the Citadel. She may have quit
after the first week, but she opened the door for other women. Thank
goodness for the door openers of the world, female and male.
Laurie Solgon
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 96 09:00:00 -0800
From: "HARRIS, zharris"
To: email@hidden, email@hidden (subscribers to)
Subject: RE: recruiting to beef up teams for playoffs
Message-ID:
I was surprised to here that these practices are going on in Canada too. In
the Canadian league we play in (we are a U.S. team... in the Lower Female
Hockey League) a team was kicked out of the league for a year for
recruiting players from across the country or outside their
region/district. So I don't think it is happening in the B.C. area.
In the U.S.: These teams make all the roster deadlines so as not to be
illegal under the rules of USA Hockey, and then they just concentrate on
playing at least 10 games together. Our association does not allow this
and our coaching staff does not either. We have been approached by hot-shot
players who want to just play the 10 game minimum and practice occasionally
with us, but we don't operate that way. Our philosophy is 100% or nothing
at all. How are they suppose to ever catch on to the team's systems if they
are their just occasionally?? Anyway....
I understand that some players have no place to play and must travel to
find a team to play on (especially in girls hockey). But what about those
players that they are displacing when they join an out-of-state team? It
is definitely a tough call. You want to give every kid a chance to play and
to compete on a high level but you also must think about that kid who could
have made their home town team but was replace from some hot-shot from
out-of-state. If it was me that was cut... I would be pissed. I can also
see the other side of it too.. but I think more times than not a kid has a
place to play and they are recruited away from that situation for a team
who wants to win at any cost (I know because it happened last year to us...
our top 2 players left the state for a team and went on to win Nationals.
This year they opted to stay at home because our program was stronger and
offered more to them but I know this type of stuff still goes on, which
bothers me.)
Anyway, bottom line: the teams recruiting meet all the USA Hockey rules.
Personally, I don't think that is a way to promote the growth of girls or
youth hockey. I think that this practice should be stopped in all youth
sports. I guess I plan on taking Dorene's advice and try to get it on the
next agenda for discussion at the USA Hockey meeting.
-Zoe
NW Admirals
Girls' Midget Rep
Seattle Jr. Hockey
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 13:08:23 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: One last Manon posting...
Message-ID:
In a message dated 12/17/96 7:07:41 PM, you wrote:
<>
Hi Nina,
I don't want to start a major discussion about this topic, but just for the
record, I was being sarcastic when I made the crack about the girl wanting to
be roommates with Manon.
I still maintain my original opinion though. Not looking at someone in the
eye doesn't qualify as being rude in my book but, barging in to a locker room
on the other hand, IS quite rude. And furthermore, just because a person is
all of a sudden famous and getting all kinds of public attention, doesn't
mean that they automatically know how to handle it graciously... A good
example of that is Nancy Kerrigan... She was just a regular person that all
of a sudden was famous overnight cuz someone whacked her in the knee! She
wasn't used to having cameras pointed at her, recording her every word and
she got caught saying things that made her look like a jerk. Had I been in
her place, I probably would have been caught saying something MUCH worse, but
that's me.
Manon IS somewhat of a celebrity but when it comes down to it, she's human
too. Different people have different personalities; maybe she wasn't a
friendly person to begin with... Or maybe she's shy. Some people love to
get attention; some people don't. Others are uncomfortable talking or making
eye contact with strangers. Or maybe she IS just a jerk! WHO KNOWS!?
Like I said in my first email... I wasn't there and I could be completely
wrong and if so, I'm sorry; but the original message just sounded like that
the person who wrote about her, idolized her and had some high expectations
of meeting Manon.
When we idolize someone, we put them up on a pedestal... When you actually
meet them, depending on what kind of person they are; you have about a 50/50
chance of being disappointed. The person who wrote the original message, (I
don't even remember who at this point...) was obviously very disappointed.
We're all just voicing our opinions here and that's cool with me. I won't
judge someone that I don't even know... Peace now.
Lisa A. ( #13; R.I. Panthers & just a humble recreational hockey player...)
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 13:28:43 -0800
From: Grass Valley League Office - RHI
To: email@hidden, email@hidden, email@hidden,
Subject: RHI's President Jerry Diamond dies at age 68
Message-ID:
San Francisco, CA-- Julian "Jerry" Diamond, former president of Roller
Hockey International, passed away (at the age of 68) this morning at his
home following a four month battle with colon cancer, it was announced
today. Diamond handled day-to-day operations of the league from 1995
until his resignation in August 1996 due to illness.
For the full Media Release go to:
http://www.oro.net/~rhiglo/
Gary King
--
Roller Hockey International
Grass Valley League Office
13070 Fawn Hill Dr.
Grass Valley, CA 95945
ph: 916-272-7825 FAX: 916-272-7858
mailto:email@hidden http://www.rollerhockey.com/
Standings/Statistics, Media Releases http://www.oro.net/~rhiglo/
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 16:52:40 -0800
From: Cliff Todd
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: One last Manon posting...
Message-ID:
email@hidden wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/17/96 7:07:41 PM, you wrote:
>
> < person
> didn't expect to become roommates with her!!!! But Manon could have at least
> made
> eye contact and said Hi. She didn't have to be that rude. I can see why she
>
> would be sick of people shoving things at her who wouldn't. But she should
> have
> expected that during her short time of fame. I was not there and did not see
>
> this take place but this is my opinion.
>
> Nina>>
>
> Hi Nina,
> I don't want to start a major discussion about this topic, but just for the
> record, I was being sarcastic when I made the crack about the girl wanting to
> be roommates with Manon.
>
> I still maintain my original opinion though. Not looking at someone in the
> eye doesn't qualify as being rude in my book but, barging in to a locker room
> on the other hand, IS quite rude. And furthermore, just because a person is
> all of a sudden famous and getting all kinds of public attention, doesn't
> mean that they automatically know how to handle it graciously... A good
> example of that is Nancy Kerrigan... She was just a regular person that all
> of a sudden was famous overnight cuz someone whacked her in the knee! She
> wasn't used to having cameras pointed at her, recording her every word and
> she got caught saying things that made her look like a jerk. Had I been in
> her place, I probably would have been caught saying something MUCH worse, but
> that's me.
>
> Manon IS somewhat of a celebrity but when it comes down to it, she's human
> too. Different people have different personalities; maybe she wasn't a
> friendly person to begin with... Or maybe she's shy. Some people love to
> get attention; some people don't. Others are uncomfortable talking or making
> eye contact with strangers. Or maybe she IS just a jerk! WHO KNOWS!?
>
> Like I said in my first email... I wasn't there and I could be completely
> wrong and if so, I'm sorry; but the original message just sounded like that
> the person who wrote about her, idolized her and had some high expectations
> of meeting Manon.
> When we idolize someone, we put them up on a pedestal... When you actually
> meet them, depending on what kind of person they are; you have about a 50/50
> chance of being disappointed. The person who wrote the original message, (I
> don't even remember who at this point...) was obviously very disappointed.
>
> We're all just voicing our opinions here and that's cool with me. I won't
> judge someone that I don't even know... Peace now.
> Lisa A. ( #13; R.I. Panthers & just a humble recreational hockey player...)
The following site is for:
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Thanks
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 16:58:35 -0800
From: Cliff Todd
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: recruiting to beef up teams for playoffs
Message-ID:
The following site is for:
Career Enhancement
http://www.angelfire.com/biz/career
If you need or want some free info on getting ahead check it out.
Thanks
C. Todd
HARRIS, zharris wrote:
>
> I was surprised to here that these practices are going on in Canada too. In
> the Canadian league we play in (we are a U.S. team... in the Lower Female
> Hockey League) a team was kicked out of the league for a year for
> recruiting players from across the country or outside their
> region/district. So I don't think it is happening in the B.C. area.
>
> In the U.S.: These teams make all the roster deadlines so as not to be
> illegal under the rules of USA Hockey, and then they just concentrate on
> playing at least 10 games together. Our association does not allow this
> and our coaching staff does not either. We have been approached by hot-shot
> players who want to just play the 10 game minimum and practice occasionally
> with us, but we don't operate that way. Our philosophy is 100% or nothing
> at all. How are they suppose to ever catch on to the team's systems if they
> are their just occasionally?? Anyway....
>
> I understand that some players have no place to play and must travel to
> find a team to play on (especially in girls hockey). But what about those
> players that they are displacing when they join an out-of-state team? It
> is definitely a tough call. You want to give every kid a chance to play and
> to compete on a high level but you also must think about that kid who could
> have made their home town team but was replace from some hot-shot from
> out-of-state. If it was me that was cut... I would be pissed. I can also
> see the other side of it too.. but I think more times than not a kid has a
> place to play and they are recruited away from that situation for a team
> who wants to win at any cost (I know because it happened last year to us...
> our top 2 players left the state for a team and went on to win Nationals.
> This year they opted to stay at home because our program was stronger and
> offered more to them but I know this type of stuff still goes on, which
> bothers me.)
>
> Anyway, bottom line: the teams recruiting meet all the USA Hockey rules.
> Personally, I don't think that is a way to promote the growth of girls or
> youth hockey. I think that this practice should be stopped in all youth
> sports. I guess I plan on taking Dorene's advice and try to get it on the
> next agenda for discussion at the USA Hockey meeting.
>
> -Zoe
> NW Admirals
> Girls' Midget Rep
> Seattle Jr. Hockey
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 17:35:16 -0800
From: Chuq Von Rospach
To: email@hidden, email@hidden,
Cc: email@hidden
Subject: Admin: The Cliff Todd spam
Message-ID:
Folks, today we had a dweeb by the name of Cliff Todd sign up to the
list, and start responding to all of the email on the list with an
advertising spam.
Needless to say, the person has been removed from all of the lists and
locked out of the site. By my count, about 85 messages were sent to the
various lists today, for which I apologize. I have sent a copy of the
spam (I offered to send them all 85 if they wanted them) to his
postmasters, and I have locked off the entire sites until I'm convinced
those sites are safe.
If you have to yell at Cliff, please do so privately. He can't hear you
*on* the lists, and all you'll do is add to the noise he so generously
dropped on our faces today. Please don't make it worse for the list
users than he already has.
What always amazes *me* is that people think doing this *to* people
makes them want to buy your product. Go figure. However, if I find out
anyone *does* actually buy anything from this guy because he posted a
message on these lists, I'll kick that person off, too, just for
general stupidity and for encouraging thsi kind of lowlife behavior.
Not that anyone on our lists is that dumb, I'm sure.
Sigh. Sorry about this. Unfortunately, there's only so much you can do
to protect this place from the nasty parts of the net. We try, but we
were both working today, and didn't see it for a few hours. By that
time, the damage was done.
chuq
List Mom
--
Chuq Von Rospach (email@hidden) Software Gnome
Apple Server Marketing Webmaster
Plaidworks Consulting (email@hidden)
( +-+ The home for Hockey on the net)
I got no name or number/ I just hand out the lumber.
But if I get a chance to play/ I'm going to show 'em.
-- Stick Boy (The Hanson Brothers, SUDDEN DEATH)
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 21:58:38 -0600
From: "Anne K. Ritchie"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Mothers of Sons vs. Mothers of daughters!
Message-ID:
Lyle Anderson wrote:
> daughter's team. A mother of a boy on my son's team is enthusiastically
> positive when her son plays other boy teams. She is embarrassingly
> nasty when he plays against The Firebirds. Go figure! This woman is
> also a tireless volunteer and generally seems (mostly) to have a heart
> of gold!
>
> Anyone else have any ideas?
Maybe she's jealous she's not out there skating, too.
--
Anne K. Ritchie Houstonian. Texan. American. Netizen.
My opinions are my own . . .
and I'll share them if I damn well want to.
http://starbase.neosoft.com/~aritchie/
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 20:49:24 -0800
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Admin: The Cliff Todd spam
Message-ID:
Chuq,
Thanks for being such a GREAT list mom. We don't need to be seeing those things
anywere on the list. So, keep up the great work!!!!!!
Nina
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Date: 19 Dec 1996 08:14:07 -0500
From: Jan de Regt
To: email@hidden (Return requested),
Subject: Re[2]: Mothers of Sons vs. Mothers of daughters!
I don't think that's such a far-fetched thought, actually!
Jan.
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Mothers of Sons vs. Mothers of daughters!
Author: email@hidden at Internet
Date: 12/18/96 11:22 PM
Lyle Anderson wrote:
> daughter's team. A mother of a boy on my son's team is enthusiastically
> positive when her son plays other boy teams. She is embarrassingly
> nasty when he plays against The Firebirds. Go figure! This woman is
> also a tireless volunteer and generally seems (mostly) to have a heart
> of gold!
>
> Anyone else have any ideas?
Maybe she's jealous she's not out there skating, too.
--
Anne K. Ritchie Houstonian. Texan. American. Netizen.
My opinions are my own . . .
and I'll share them if I damn well want to.
http://starbase.neosoft.com/~aritchie/
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