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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 410
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) UNH beats Colby
by Regina M Renner
2) Re: Chelmsford Lions
by email@hidden (Larry Todd)
3) Re: Div I Women Please do not send me anymore hockey mail
by Beverly Tucker
4) Re: Equipment modifications please take me off your mailing
by Beverly Tucker
5) Re: black uniforms? Please take me off your mailing list
by Beverly Tucker
6) Frustrations in playing with men
by "Linda Evans"
7) Re: Scores for Diviison I Hockey please take me off you
by Beverly Tucker
8) Re: hockey rot
by "Anne K. Ritchie"
9) Re: Frustrations Playing with Men
by email@hidden
10) Salespeople telling you it fits when it dosn't.
by email@hidden
11) Re: Equipment modifications
by Lynn Witkowski
12) Re: Equipment modifications
by Lynn Witkowski
13) On The Edge Book
by "Kenneth R. Veze"
14) Choate update
by email@hidden (george a irwin)
15) Re: On The Edge Book
by "BRICKELL, DAWN"
16) Re: hockey rot/what to wear under gear
by Lea and Robert Sanford
17) underwear and skin diseases
by Lea and Robert Sanford
18) Re: On The Edge Book
by Rhonda Paprocki
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:24:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Regina M Renner
To: email@hidden
Subject: UNH beats Colby
Message-ID:
The University of New Hampshire beat Colby 13-4 last night. Melissa
Heitzman from Minnesota scored a hatrick. This puts UNH at the top going
into winter break.
Regina Renner
UNH assistant captain, #6
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:35:41 -0500 (EST)
From: email@hidden (Larry Todd)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Chelmsford Lions
Message-ID:
Ted True (508)256-4801
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| Bull HN Information Systems | Fax (508)294-4274 |
| Technology Park | Email email@hidden |
| Billerica, Ma. 01821 | |
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| Head Coach | |
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>
> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if someone could give me information about the
> Chelmsford Lions Womens' Hockey Organization in Massachusetts. I.E. the
> name and phone number of the person or persons who run it....
>
> Thanks,
> Avril #1
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:41:22 +0000
From: Beverly Tucker
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Div I Women Please do not send me anymore hockey mail
Message-ID: <19961212144121.AAA6655@LOCALNAME>
At 09:19 PM 12/5/96 +0000, you wrote:
>Since the Gils/Women coverage is the best I've seen, how about putting
>up some numbers for the Div I Women's teams. There seems to be a pretty
>good interest level in the this fledgling aspect of hockey. What's
>more, many new teams are on the horizon.
>
>Your only competition seems to be USA Today.
>
>Thx
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:44:58 +0000
From: Beverly Tucker
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Equipment modifications please take me off your mailing
Message-ID: <19961212144457.AAA8257@LOCALNAME>
At 08:52 PM 12/11/96 +0000, you wrote:
> That reminds me, what do you wear under all
>>this equipment? I had thought to try a polypro shirt and bike tights.
>>
>>-- Anne Paulson
>>
>>Thanks for all your advice.
>>
>
>Anne,
>I recommend wearing cotton clothes under your equipment. I wear an old
>t-shirt, with no prints, and some cotton bike-style shorts. Cotton boxers
>shorts also work really well. Also, wear cotton panties and sports bra.
>Air breathes really well through the cotton and helps to keep you cool.
>Good luck!
>
>Amanda Hansen
>Provo, UT
>
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:47:50 +0000
From: Beverly Tucker
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: black uniforms? Please take me off your mailing list
Message-ID: <19961212144748.AAA9294@LOCALNAME>
At 04:41 PM 12/8/96 +0000, you wrote:
>There is an interesting discussion taking place on the Sport Psychology
>discussion group about the psychological effects of black uniforms on
>hockey players and refs. If there's any interest in the postings on this
>list, I will forward them to you all.
>
>Let me know ...
>Melissa Joulwan
>
>::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>Melissa Joulwan
>Step By Step Fitness/Go, girl! Magazine
>415-332-4134
>
>http://www.gogirlmag.com
>
>Go,girl! is a bi-weekly magazine dedicated to getting women of all ages
>and fitness levels involved in sports.
>
>::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:46:12 EST
From: "Linda Evans"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Frustrations in playing with men
Message-ID:
What a breath of fresh air to come in this morning and find messages
from this list on my e-mail! I'm a new subscriber and the hockey
gods must have led me to this list earlier in the week because they
knew what was coming!
I live in Florida where hockey itself is still in its youth. At the
beginning of the summer, a woman put together the first women &
girl's hockey class in the area (in the state?) and was overwhelmed
with the response, from women who had never laced up a pair of
skates to transplants from hockey-savvy northern areas. There are
no women's leagues, so we elected to put together a team and play in
the novice men's, no-checking league this fall. It has been a blast,
but we have found that the attitudes of the men run the gamut from
"Women's team, cool!" to "Women's team, bitches" and everything in
between. I can even deal with that; it's their problem to figure out how
to deal with us. We go out every night to play hockey, have fun, and
become better players.
In addition to the men's league, there is a co-ed novice hockey class
that meets once a week. The problem has been higher level players
crashing the class and causing problems in the scrimmages. The
rink owner and class instructor took care of a lot of that, but the
problem returned big-time last night when the evening ended with a
huge brawl in one of the corners. A group of guys (6 or so) had been
targeting each other all night and it finally exploded, resulting in the
end of the class and no more ice time for the rest of us. The 8 women
who were out there, some of whom were fairly accomplished hockey
players, were irate. The idiots involved told the rest of us "That's
hockey; too bad if you don't like it." I've been a hockey fan all my life
and I know all about the role of fighting in a game. This was a novice
class to help us become better hockey players, not the Stanley Cup
playoffs!
Sorry for the dissertation, but I've been knocked on my backside,
heard rude remarks made to my teammates, suffered humiliating
losses, etc. in this learning effort, but last night was the first time that
I felt really angry. What's with these guys??? Is this normal for an
area beginning to build a women's team/league? I like a lot of the
guys we play against/with. But there's an element that I just don't
get. In closing, I have to say that the rink has been great. They
support us and the guys who showed up last night won't be back for
our class, but the rink can only do so much policing.
This is the first time I've felt discouraged and I'm sure I'll get over it,
but if you have any history/insights to share, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks for the ear!
Lindy
Linda S. Evans
Reading & Learning Program, SVC 2124
University of South Florida
4202 E. Fowler Ave.
Tampa, Florida 33620
phone: 813-974-9308; fax: 813-974-5089
email@hidden
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:51:30 +0000
From: Beverly Tucker
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Scores for Diviison I Hockey please take me off you
Message-ID: <19961212145128.AAA10916@LOCALNAME>
At 08:16 PM 12/5/96 +0000, you wrote:
>Dear Mom;
>
>All the scores from Women's Division I hockey are displayed on the USA
>Today's women's hockey page. You can get the address from Andria Hunter's
>page. In addition the Foster Democrat and Portmouth Herald are on line. I
>have written to both and they are also starting to cover UNH Women's Hockey.
>
>Unfortunately the overtime game was against Providence and resulted in a
>loss.
>
>Not Gina Renner
>
PLEASE TAKE ME OFF YOUR MAILING LIST AND PASS THE WORD TO ANYONE ELSE
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 09:42:02 -0600
From: "Anne K. Ritchie"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: hockey rot
Message-ID:
Jan de Regt wrote:
>
> I was thinking about this more, and realized one difference in keeping
> my equipment that developed recently. I *always* air out all my
> equipment when I get home, and wash it several times a year. I put
I use one of those hockey trees with pegs for all of your gear. "Hockey
Man" stinks to high heaven when all of my gear hangs on him, but the
stuff is dry by the time it goes back into my bag. Plus, it makes it
easy to spray it all down with some anti-stink stuff. I use some sort of
natural deoderizor stuff and Lysol. The natural stuff lasts longer, but
the Lysol has a more immediate impact. When playing ice, I wear
something between my pads and me to keep them from getting too gross,
usually a thin pair of sweats or some old workout pants. For inline,
it's pads on bare skin. A friend always wears long underwear (what else
are you gonna do with it down here?) under her gear when playing ice.
As for what to wear under that, if cotton doesn't keep you dry enough,
try coolmax stuff. You can find coolmax t-shirts in bicycle catalogs.
Most sports bras are made with it, too.
About me: 31, 5' 11", 190 or so, lawyer, native Texan. Played inline 16
months, ice 4 months. Both rule.
My gear: Skates: Tacks for ice and Missions for inline. Shin pads: CCMs
with some really breathable padding on the inside. Shorts: Kohos.
Shoulder pads: Bauer Flak. Elbows: Jofas with pointy elbow pieces and
overstretched elastic. Helmet: Cooper w/ face cage. Sticks: all sorts,
including a Branches and a couple of types of Kohos (I'm liking the
Branches a lot right now). Position: anywhere they'll let me play.
Reason for lurking so long: Too damn busy to think.
Later
--
Anne K. Ritchie Houstonian. Texan. American. Netizen.
My opinions are my own . . .
and I'll share them if I damn well want to.
http://starbase.neosoft.com/~aritchie/
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 11:13:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Frustrations Playing with Men
Message-ID:
I suppose I can believe what I am hearing here but it doesn't happen where I
am. I take this introductory hockey class in Rochester, NY (have been for a
year now) where there is an instructional part and a scrimmage part. Most
weeks, I am the only female on the ice with the rest of these guys. Everyone is
always really nice to me and to the others and everyone is equally supportive
of everyone else. We have ability levels from barely knowing how to skate to
guys (and women) who can hold their own, puck handle really well, and skate
really well. We have never had any problems with other men "crashing" the
class, or even the better and bigger men picking fights and taunting those who
can't play so well. There have never been any fights. Of course it does get
pushy, like any hockey game, but there is no excuse for fighting in an
instructional hockey class. I agree with you, it isn't the NHL so they should
take their fighting elsewhere. They had no right coming into your class and
"misbehaving" as they did. I guess the reason why we respect each other so much
is because our instructor is such a nice guy and he's doing this out of the
kindness of his own heart. These aren't scheduled classes (although we do have
a set day and time each week that remains the same) but these classes were
created and put together through word of mouth, so the instructor knows at
least half of the participants personally, the others are friends of the people
who are already in the class.
No matter what, there is no excuse for behavior like that.
Diane
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 12:55:10 -0500
From: email@hidden
To: email@hidden
Subject: Salespeople telling you it fits when it dosn't.
Message-ID:
Hi all,
I read Jan de Regt's Re: Equipment modifications reply & I thought I'd share
a story to back her up... I went shopping for new hockey pants fairly
recently after deciding that my KoHo's were too short for me and left the
area just above my knee too unprotected... I went to my favorite local
sports store to try on a few pairs... At the time, we on this list were at
the height of equipment discussions and Tackla's or Louieville were the
females top choices because of extra padding and superior fit. Well, I still
tried EVERYTHING on... The store manager, who is pretty used to seeing me in
there came over to see if he could help me find something... I told him what
I was looking for, what I had, (the KoHo's) and what the problem was with
them... I asked if he had any Louieville, he said no but then picked up a
pair of Tackla 5000's and said, "Try these. They're a salesman sample
pair." They were a brand new top of the line NHL pro pant and they were only
asking $64. bucks! (I'm told they normally go for $135. to $150.) So, they
fit perfectly and I was more than happy to take them off his hands at a
bargain price...
So, in my case I did really good. But after I decided to buy the pants I saw
this guy trying on used pants and a different/younger sales guy helping him
out... He was a beginner and obviously didn't know how they were supposed to
fit and was asking for the advise of the young sales guy... Well, this guy
had on a pair of pants that looked entirely too small for him... The length
of these pants was even shorter than what I had just traded in. They were so
small, he looked absolutely ridiculous. Well, I suppressed a giggle and kept
browsing around then I overheard the young sales guy telling him, "Looks like
a good fit to me..." I was thinking to myself, you gotta be kidding me.
Those do NOT fit. I felt kinda bad for the guy... so, I waited for the
sales guy to walk away and went up to the pants guy and offered my advise...
(I myself, really didn't know too much a couple of months ago how stuff was
supposed to fit but, this list has helped me a great deal to make smarter
more informed equipment purchases...) I told him, that I thought the sales
guy was wrong... That the pants were too short and too small.. I
demonstrated how if he got a stick or a puck across the thigh how much it
would hurt and pointed out that the padding was thin and didn't go up high
enough in the back of the waist to protect his kidneys and lower back.... I
think I suprised him, in the end he decided to put the pants back and keep
looking...
The moral to this story is you DO have to depend mainly on feel and comfort
rather than believing what a salesperson says, (unless of course you trust
him or her...) but, if you don't take the time to try a bunch of different
things on how will you know what your missing?
Example: I didn't realize how uncomfortable my skates, elbow pads, helmet
shoulder pads etc. etc. were until I tried brand X's skates, elbow pads,
helmet shoulder pads, (or whatever) and experienced the difference for
myself.
So, that's that. It's pretty much a matter of common sense when you get
right down to it. A lot of people don't give themselves enough credit or
self trust to stand up to a pushy salesperson when they know deep down when
something's not fitting them right. This could apply to a lot more than just
buying hockey equipment when I think about it... I'm sure everyone out there
has a horror story to share about getting taken advantage of when going out
to make a purchase or even getting repair work done on your car... I'm
getting off the subject now so I'll shut up and leave you with this:
Research before you buy! It will save you money and aggravation in the long
run.
Lisa A.
email@hidden
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Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 09:31:06 -0800
From: Lynn Witkowski
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Equipment modifications
Message-ID:
Anne
I got a chuckle reading you message. You do have a great sense of
humour.
My two daughters play hockey 13 years and almost 15 yrs of age. I
bought them a jill pant set that was being sold by Stephanie Boyd (of
Team USA). It is made of black spandex, one piece with garters sewn into
it for the socks. There is extra padding at the tailbone and thighs, and
it is not bulky at all. It is definitely designed for women. When my
daughters first saw them, they said no way, they didn't like the look.
But after trying it, like I insisted they do (after investing $50
(canadian) for each), they both wear it and are quite comfortable.
Depending on how cold it is, they wear only underwear and a t-shirt
under their equipment or a pair of long underwear under the jill pants.
You might also want to consider having a mouth guard made for you by
your dentist. You can buy them at the sporting shops for about $5, but
the custom made ones are much more comfortable and conducive to use.
They are not designed so much to protect teeth, but actually for your
head, for prevention of concussion. All hockey players should use them.
If there is a college nearby to you you might see if they offer a clinic
for their students training where they make these mouth guards. Our
college offers this for $10.
Lynn
email email@hidden
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Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 09:39:43 -0800
From: Lynn Witkowski
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Equipment modifications
Message-ID:
Gary Goldberg and/or Debbie Minden wrote:
>
> I have modified my pelvic
> >protector (actually, I have modified every piece of
> >equipment I own!), but have added more padding (I'm a
> >puckstopper), but if it's too large, open it up, cut it
> >down, and file down the edges. If it's not comfortable,
> >you won't wear it, and that could be a mistake.
>
> The pelvic protector is a real bugaboo for me. I have little girls -9 and
> 10 - and there are none that fit them. I have been on the phone to
> manufacturers and haunted hockey stores and can't find one for a thin 4'6"
> or a chubby 4'6". Any suggestions? The only thing that looked ok was a
> boys goalie cup, but they said it felt awful. Help.
> Debbie
Try the shorts that have the pocket for the cup. They have velcro tabs
for the socks. My son wears this and he isn't very big. I think they
have a style for females and the cup is shaped differently. There are
all types of jill staps that are now being sold. I don't know where you
live, but here in Canada (Northern Ontario) they are not hard to find.
Let me know if I can help.
Lynn
email email@hidden
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 14:35:24 -0800
From: "Kenneth R. Veze"
To: email@hidden
Subject: On The Edge Book
Message-ID:
I've been trying to locate this book, "On The Edge: Women Making Hockey
History", here in the Pittsburgh area to no avail. The book was written by
Elizabeth Etue and Megan Williams. Second Story Press of Toronto is the
publisher. All the local bookstores cannot find it in their systems. No
ISBN#, nothing!
Could it be published under a different name here in the states possibly???
If anyone can help please feel free to E mail me.
Thanks!
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 18:08:00 EST
From: email@hidden (george a irwin)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Choate update
Message-ID:
Choate's girls varsity team beat Kingsbridge Oxford 11-2 on Wednesday
evening to up their record to 2-0. Congratulations!!!
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 21:15:23 -0500
From: "BRICKELL, DAWN"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: On The Edge Book
Message-ID:
At 02:39 PM 12/12/96 -0800, you wrote:
>I've been trying to locate this book, "On The Edge: Women Making Hockey
>History", here in the Pittsburgh area to no avail. The book was written by
>Elizabeth Etue and Megan Williams. Second Story Press of Toronto is the
>publisher. All the local bookstores cannot find it in their systems. No
>ISBN#, nothing!
>
>Could it be published under a different name here in the states possibly???
>If anyone can help please feel free to E mail me.
>
>Thanks!
>
> Try a BOrders Bookstore, that's where I got it!
>
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 19:42:45 +0000
From: Lea and Robert Sanford
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: hockey rot/what to wear under gear
Message-ID:
Since stormwind brought up the subject of yeast infections, and Anne
asked about what to wear under her gear, I thought I would contribute on
how the two are related.
I wash all of my undergarmets EVERY time I put them on; even if I didn't
play very hard or they weren't *that* sweaty.
I usually wear aerobic tights under my gear. I find that the 3/4 length
tights are the most comfortable. I only buy cotton crotch and don't
wear regular underwear with them.
Lately I have been wearing a hockeyjoc, three in one. I like the fact
that I don't have 17 pieces of elastic from garter belt, pelvic
protector, etc to deal with and I have found that the hockeyjoc really
lets everything breathe. I did have to get used to the breeze, but I
think it is making a difference.
I have found that the best defence against recurring yeast infections
was to change before leaving the rink. Even if I don't shower at the
rink, I pull off EVERYTHING, towel off, and put on loose cotton workout
pants. My doctor said that sitting in my wet clothes for the 1/2 - 1
hour drive home from the rink was a major contributor. He was right.
I think that this may be more of a problem for those of us who live in
warm, humid climates, but I guess it never hurts to take precautions.
Lea
email@hidden
(Houston, TX)
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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 20:07:21 +0000
From: Lea and Robert Sanford
To: Hockey List
Subject: underwear and skin diseases
Message-ID:
Sorry to post twice on this, but....
After composing my last message, I got to thinking about the stuff I
generally wear and realized that I completely cover my body under my
pads. I wear long tights (I have even found a long version of the three
in one) and a long sleeved shirt. I do it because the elastic and tape
make me itch like crazy, but I think that if you are having other
irritation problems, particularly with shin guards or elbow pads,
switching to long pants/sleeves could be a good solution.
I also wear batting gloves under my gloves. I have long fingers and to
get a mans glove to fit lengthwise means that my thinner, women's hand
has alot of extra space in there. The batting gloves give me a better
fit, cut down on callouses and can be washed every time you wear them.
I also think they cut down on glove stench.
--Lea
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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 04:29:16 GMT
From: Rhonda Paprocki
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: On The Edge Book
Message-ID:
Sorry Can't tell who was the original author, don't think I got that message.
ISBN # is 0-929005-79-1 Let me know if you want one. I will be sending
back the ones that we didn't sell at our tournament, so if you want to buy
one from me, let me know soon. Hopefully I'll have the rest of the books in
the mail by Monday.
Rhonda Paprocki
Team Michigan Tornados
email@hidden
At 06:17 PM 12/12/96 -0800, you wrote:
>At 02:39 PM 12/12/96 -0800, you wrote:
>>I've been trying to locate this book, "On The Edge: Women Making Hockey
>>History", here in the Pittsburgh area to no avail. The book was written by
>>Elizabeth Etue and Megan Williams. Second Story Press of Toronto is the
>>publisher. All the local bookstores cannot find it in their systems. No
>>ISBN#, nothing!
>>
>>Could it be published under a different name here in the states possibly???
>>If anyone can help please feel free to E mail me.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>> Try a BOrders Bookstore, that's where I got it!
>>
>>
>
>
Rhonda Paprocki
email@hidden
"The race is not always to the swift....
but to those who keep on running."
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