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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 4
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) FAQ - Women in Hockey Mailing List
by chuq
2) FAQ - Changes to Women in Hockey Mailing List
by chuq
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Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 00:00:23 -0700
From: chuq
To: email@hidden
Subject: FAQ - Women in Hockey Mailing List
Message-ID:
This copy of the FAQ posted on Mon May 15 00:00:21 PDT 1995
Last update May 6, 1995
EVERYONE should read this document at least once, especially the section on
the charter an what constitutes acceptable postings and behavior. Ignorance
of the rules is not considered an excuse. Please work with us to help make
this place a fun list to be on.
This is the Introduction for the women-in-hockey mailing lists,
which is for women who play ice, roller or street hockey, and the people
involved with them in some way.
Please note there are five other affiliated, independent lists:
shark-bytes, for fans of the NHL San Jose Sharks, bay-area-hockey for
regional amateur hockey information, ihl, for the fans of the
International Hockey League, roller-hockey-intl, for information on the
RHI summer hockey league, and hockey-list-admins, which is a list
designed specifically for people who maintain mailing lists or other
Internet Resources about hockey to compare notes and talk to each
other. They have their own intro documents, home pages and other
material, and if you're interested in these topics, you can get more
information on them with the instructions below.
These lists are managed by Laurie Sefton (email@hidden) and by
Chuq Von Rospach (email@hidden).
To suggest additions, changes, corrections or anything else, send mail
to chuqui@plaidworks or email@hidden. Mail server problems
should be sent to email@hidden.
This document is posted to the mailing list twice a month, on the 1st
and 15th. All automatically posted messages will have the a subject
starting with "FAQ -". All IMPORTANT administrative messages will have a
subject that begins with "Admin:". Users are requested to please read these.
============
Table of Contents
============
0) Please note: automated subscriptions
1) How to find the Home Page and Archives
2) Important Mail Server Commands
3) Charter: What's Acceptable/What's not
============
0) Please note:
============
This list is run on an automated mail server. You should keep a copy of the
server commands handy in case you need to change your subscription. Please
do NOT under any circumstances post administrative commands or requests for
server help to the public list. If you can't make it work, write to the
admin directly. If you're too lazy to make it work, that's not my problem.
The List Moms are ALSO very busy people and don't appreciate being
interrupted by people who won't follow the rules. (it's different if you try
and fail. That's what we're here for. And don't lie about trying. That's
what logs are here for. We'll know).
============
1) How to find the Home Page and Archives
============
This document is:
ftp://plaidworks.com/hockey/women-in-hockey/women-in-hockey.INTRO
The World Wide Web home page for this mailing list is:
http://plaidworks.com/hockey/women-in-hockey/
The home page contains pointers to all of the available related
information, both on our server and in other places on the net.
If you do not have World Wide Web access, you can access these documents
using anonymous ftp, on host plaidworks.com, and look in the directory
hockey/women-in-hockey. While they're written in HTML, they're still easy to
read as straight text. The pointers to the most often requested files are:
The ftp archive is by anonymous ftp or gopher to host plaidworks.com, in
the directory hockey/women-in-hockey. There is also more general hockey
information in directories starting in hockey that you might want
to browse. The general starting point for this server's WWW pages is
http://plaidworks.com/hockey/
All messages to the list are archived in the "message-archives" folder.
If you have ONLY e-mail access, you can use the mail server to get copies of
these files. you need to get a copy of the file "intro.to.listproc" as
defined below to find more information on this. Please note that because so
few people use this feature, we don't have always have the e-mail gateway up
to date with the rest of the system, but we will keep access to the most
important files working.
============
2) Important Mail Server commands
============
Posting to the list: Submissions should be sent to:
email@hidden
As appropriate.
You must be a subscriber to the list to post to it. Listproc (the mail
server we use) is very picky about your address: if you work from multiple
machines or forward mail from one place to another, it is very likely not to
recognize you as a subscriber. Please keep that in mind and subscribe and
post from your primary account.
All server commands are sent to the address:
email@hidden
Do not send server commands to the actual list! That is considered very
rude to the user base.
You can put more than one command in an e-mail message. Please note
that if your e-mail messages contain signatures or footer lines,
listproc will attempt to read them as commands and return an error to
you. This can be ignored if you also get the confirmation back on the
earlier commands. you SHOULD get a confirmation e-mail letter (or error
warning) for EVERY command you send to listproc. If you didn't,
something went wrong. Try it again, and if it still doesn't work,
contact the admin address for help.
The following commands are the most common ones. These are used in the
body of the e-mail message, not the Subject line. Leave the Subject
line blank. Use your real name, not your e-mail address.
To get on the list:
SUBSCRIBE women-in-hockey yourname
(example: SUBSCRIBE hockey-chat Chuq Von Rospach)
To cancel your subscription:
UNSUBSCRIBE women-in-hockey
(Do NOT use "email@hidden", use "women-in-hockey").
To turn on DIGEST mode:
SET women-in-hockey MAIL DIGEST
To turn off DIGEST mode:
SET women-in-hockey MAIL ACK
(yes, it's amazingly intuitive. I didn't write it)
Other commands: [do note include text in brackets]
GET listproc intro.to.listproc [a more complete tutorial
use this for info on the e-mail archive
service if you have no ftp.]
HELP [some basic commands. get the tutorial]
LISTS [tells you what lists are on this server]
INFO listname [get intro for a list from the LISTS verb]
Example (based on Unix. your mailer will vary):
% mail email@hidden
Subject:
SUBSCRIBE hockey-chat Chuq Von Rospach
SET hockey-chat MAIL DIGEST
HELP
LIST
GET listproc intro.to-listproc
INFO bay-area-hockey
INFO roller-hockey-intl
INFO sharks
INFO ihl
%
============
3) Charter: What's Acceptable, What's Not
============
Everyone is requested to read the rules and charter at least once and to
please abide by them. Failure to cooperate can lead to having your posting
privileges revoked, or to find yourself removed from the list completely.
Please note: the List Moms (email@hidden) and Laurie Sefton
(email@hidden) have the final and ONLY say as to what is and
isn't appropriate content. If you are requested to close out a
discussion, take it to e-mail, or shift it to one of the other mailing
lists, please comply. You can discuss the situation with us, and we're
willing to listen, but ultimately, nobody else gets a vote.
Anyone who feels a posting or message thread is out of line should
contact the List Mom. Users who try to take content issues into their
own hands will only make the List Mom very unhappy with them and are
subject to discipline like any person who violates the charter.
These rules are in place because users taking content issues into their own
hands is one of the most common causes of flamewars. The List Moms don't like
flamewars. Let's all work together to keep the lists a fun place to be.
+++ Acceptable uses:
Anything having to do with women playing ice, street, or roller hockey,
or who are somehow involved in these sports. People interested in
getting involved with the sports and/or playing are also welcome. This
list is not limited to women only, but to anyone involved in women's hockey.
We are excluding field hockey from the list, since it's different enough
from ice/roller hockey to deserve it's own lists, and because the audiences
are distinct enough that we feel it's a reasonable distinction. We're open
for discussion on this.
+++ Unacceptable uses:
o We will take a VERY hard stand against brain-dead gender flames. This
is not a discussion list where people can discuss WHETHER women ought to
play hockey. The reality is they DO, and they should. People who attempt to
act like Male Chauvinist Pigs will find their tenure on the list very short,
and not very satisfying.
o For Sale or Wanted to Buy messages. Don't post either to these lists under
any circumstances.
o Blatant sales hype and pitches. Use discretion. The same general
attitude that USENET takes on this stuff is the guideline here. If you
aren't absolutely sure, run it past the List Mom first and get an opinion.
o Flaming and abusive language: We expect the users of this list to be
mature, intelligent people. The few who prove themselves exceptions will
find little patience from the List Moms.
We don't mind when emotions run high. We do mind when people lose control
of them. We think of this place as a sports bar where everyone gets
together and watches the games and then buys each other beers and talks.
We do NOT want to run a bar where people watch games and then throw the
chairs at each other.
o You may not use addresses obtained from this list to harrass others or
send them offensive, abusive or blatantly commercial e-mail. People
who abuse other members of this list, either in public or private, are
in violation of this list's charter. If a user is upset enough by your
e-mail to report it to us in a complaint, then as List Mom, we have the
responsibility to investigate the problem and take action if we feel
it necessary.
o Do not post copyrighted material. It's illegal to type something in
from a newspaper verbatim, or repost something sent out via Clarinet. Yes,
we know it happens all over the net. That doesn't make it right or legal. If
you DO do it, you put both yourself and us as owners of the list at legal
risk if the copyright holder decides to fight. You CAN post a pointer to the
work, summarize what the work is saying, post quotes from the work within
the boundaries of fair use (and feel free to ask us if you aren't sure), but
posting entire articles is a major no-no. Failure to cooperate on this one
can get you kicked off the list, so please be careful. If you aren't sure,
ask first.
o Do not post or forward messages of general interest, mass-distributed
warnings, rumors, good samaritan messages or chain letters to this list.
Craig Shergold doesn't want any more postcards, honest. Before posting
anything like this, check with the List Moms to determine whether it's
appropriate. We don't care how important you think the subject is, whether
it's a new computer virus rumor or a get well card -- it's not appropriate
for this list unless we've cleared it in advance. Period. Users who violate
this rule will lose their posting priviledges to the listproc.
Users who are found in violation of the charter are subject to disciplinary
action, from warnings to removal of their posting priviledges to being
banned from use of the mailing lists on this server. If you can't behave, we
feel no responsibility to let you use the services we provide.
+++ Suggestions for being a good citizen
o Before you POST, check the home page to see if the answers are
already in the archive. Let's try to avoid having to answer the same
questions over, and over, and over.
o Keep postings as short as possible.
o If you include quoted material, edit it ruthlessly. Keep the smallest
amount necessary for context. Do NOT simply leave it stuck to the end of
your message (as mailers like QuickMail like to do), since it REALLY screws
up the digest users. Edit, edit, edit!
o Keep signatures as short as possible.
o Keep Subject lines relevant. If the topic changes, change the Subject. If
you are a digest reader, CHANGE the Subject to the appropriate Subject. If
you don't, all we see is "Re: Hockey-Chat Digest $...", which is
meaningless, and which many readers don't bother to read. Take a little time
and make the Subject line useful.
o Ask yourself if it's necessary to post to the entire list. If you aren't
sure, e-mail it privately to the person you're responding to.
o If someone asks a question and you want a copy of the answers, e-mail the
request PRIVATELY. Don't send it to the entire list.
o If you ask a question and people send you answers, PLEASE send copies to
people that ask. If you get more than a couple of requests, then please put
the answers together and post a summary to the list, AND e-mail a copy to the
List Mom so it can be put in the archive so future users can get it without
asking the question again.
o Please keep the length of lines in messages posted to the list to no more
than 72 characters. If your mailer doesn't auto-wrap things (Eudora does;
most Unix mailers do NOT) then make sure you hit the return key instead of
sending huge, one-line paragraphs. Those can be unreadable to many users.
o In general, the harder it is for a person to read your message, the
less likely the person with the answer to your question will bother to
respond. Make it as easy as possible for people to read your message, and
people will. Putting a little time into cleaning things up before you send
it off can mean the difference between silence and getting the answer you
need, and is the difference between someone being a good net.citizen and
someone who comes across as a net.slob.
---- end of women-in-hockey.INTRO ----
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 00:00:24 -0700
From: chuq
To: email@hidden
Subject: FAQ - Changes to Women in Hockey Mailing List
Message-ID:
This copy of the FAQ posted on Mon May 15 00:00:22 PDT 1995
start changes
0a1,308
> Last update May 6, 1995
>
> EVERYONE should read this document at least once, especially the section on
> the charter an what constitutes acceptable postings and behavior. Ignorance
> of the rules is not considered an excuse. Please work with us to help make
> this place a fun list to be on.
>
> This is the Introduction for the women-in-hockey mailing lists,
> which is for women who play ice, roller or street hockey, and the people
> involved with them in some way.
>
> Please note there are five other affiliated, independent lists:
> shark-bytes, for fans of the NHL San Jose Sharks, bay-area-hockey for
> regional amateur hockey information, ihl, for the fans of the
> International Hockey League, roller-hockey-intl, for information on the
> RHI summer hockey league, and hockey-list-admins, which is a list
> designed specifically for people who maintain mailing lists or other
> Internet Resources about hockey to compare notes and talk to each
> other. They have their own intro documents, home pages and other
> material, and if you're interested in these topics, you can get more
> information on them with the instructions below.
>
> These lists are managed by Laurie Sefton (email@hidden) and by
> Chuq Von Rospach (email@hidden).
>
> To suggest additions, changes, corrections or anything else, send mail
> to chuqui@plaidworks or email@hidden. Mail server problems
> should be sent to email@hidden.
>
> This document is posted to the mailing list twice a month, on the 1st
> and 15th. All automatically posted messages will have the a subject
> starting with "FAQ -". All IMPORTANT administrative messages will have a
> subject that begins with "Admin:". Users are requested to please read these.
>
> ============
> Table of Contents
> ============
> 0) Please note: automated subscriptions
> 1) How to find the Home Page and Archives
> 2) Important Mail Server Commands
> 3) Charter: What's Acceptable/What's not
>
> ============
> 0) Please note:
> ============
> This list is run on an automated mail server. You should keep a copy of the
> server commands handy in case you need to change your subscription. Please
> do NOT under any circumstances post administrative commands or requests for
> server help to the public list. If you can't make it work, write to the
> admin directly. If you're too lazy to make it work, that's not my problem.
> The List Moms are ALSO very busy people and don't appreciate being
> interrupted by people who won't follow the rules. (it's different if you try
> and fail. That's what we're here for. And don't lie about trying. That's
> what logs are here for. We'll know).
>
> ============
> 1) How to find the Home Page and Archives
> ============
> This document is:
> ftp://plaidworks.com/hockey/women-in-hockey/women-in-hockey.INTRO
>
> The World Wide Web home page for this mailing list is:
> http://plaidworks.com/hockey/women-in-hockey/
>
> The home page contains pointers to all of the available related
> information, both on our server and in other places on the net.
>
> If you do not have World Wide Web access, you can access these documents
> using anonymous ftp, on host plaidworks.com, and look in the directory
> hockey/women-in-hockey. While they're written in HTML, they're still easy to
> read as straight text. The pointers to the most often requested files are:
>
> The ftp archive is by anonymous ftp or gopher to host plaidworks.com, in
> the directory hockey/women-in-hockey. There is also more general hockey
> information in directories starting in hockey that you might want
> to browse. The general starting point for this server's WWW pages is
> http://plaidworks.com/hockey/
>
> All messages to the list are archived in the "message-archives" folder.
>
> If you have ONLY e-mail access, you can use the mail server to get copies of
> these files. you need to get a copy of the file "intro.to.listproc" as
> defined below to find more information on this. Please note that because so
> few people use this feature, we don't have always have the e-mail gateway up
> to date with the rest of the system, but we will keep access to the most
> important files working.
>
> ============
> 2) Important Mail Server commands
> ============
>
> Posting to the list: Submissions should be sent to:
>
> email@hidden
>
> As appropriate.
>
> You must be a subscriber to the list to post to it. Listproc (the mail
> server we use) is very picky about your address: if you work from multiple
> machines or forward mail from one place to another, it is very likely not to
> recognize you as a subscriber. Please keep that in mind and subscribe and
> post from your primary account.
>
> All server commands are sent to the address:
>
> email@hidden
>
> Do not send server commands to the actual list! That is considered very
> rude to the user base.
>
> You can put more than one command in an e-mail message. Please note
> that if your e-mail messages contain signatures or footer lines,
> listproc will attempt to read them as commands and return an error to
> you. This can be ignored if you also get the confirmation back on the
> earlier commands. you SHOULD get a confirmation e-mail letter (or error
> warning) for EVERY command you send to listproc. If you didn't,
> something went wrong. Try it again, and if it still doesn't work,
> contact the admin address for help.
>
> The following commands are the most common ones. These are used in the
> body of the e-mail message, not the Subject line. Leave the Subject
> line blank. Use your real name, not your e-mail address.
>
> To get on the list:
> SUBSCRIBE women-in-hockey yourname
>
> (example: SUBSCRIBE hockey-chat Chuq Von Rospach)
>
> To cancel your subscription:
>
> UNSUBSCRIBE women-in-hockey
> (Do NOT use "email@hidden", use "women-in-hockey").
>
> To turn on DIGEST mode:
>
> SET women-in-hockey MAIL DIGEST
>
> To turn off DIGEST mode:
>
> SET women-in-hockey MAIL ACK
> (yes, it's amazingly intuitive. I didn't write it)
>
> Other commands: [do note include text in brackets]
>
> GET listproc intro.to.listproc [a more complete tutorial
> use this for info on the e-mail archive
> service if you have no ftp.]
> HELP [some basic commands. get the tutorial]
> LISTS [tells you what lists are on this server]
> INFO listname [get intro for a list from the LISTS verb]
>
> Example (based on Unix. your mailer will vary):
>
> % mail email@hidden
> Subject:
>
> SUBSCRIBE hockey-chat Chuq Von Rospach
> SET hockey-chat MAIL DIGEST
> HELP
> LIST
> GET listproc intro.to-listproc
> INFO bay-area-hockey
> INFO roller-hockey-intl
> INFO sharks
> INFO ihl
>
> %
>
> ============
> 3) Charter: What's Acceptable, What's Not
> ============
> Everyone is requested to read the rules and charter at least once and to
> please abide by them. Failure to cooperate can lead to having your posting
> privileges revoked, or to find yourself removed from the list completely.
>
> Please note: the List Moms (email@hidden) and Laurie Sefton
> (email@hidden) have the final and ONLY say as to what is and
> isn't appropriate content. If you are requested to close out a
> discussion, take it to e-mail, or shift it to one of the other mailing
> lists, please comply. You can discuss the situation with us, and we're
> willing to listen, but ultimately, nobody else gets a vote.
>
> Anyone who feels a posting or message thread is out of line should
> contact the List Mom. Users who try to take content issues into their
> own hands will only make the List Mom very unhappy with them and are
> subject to discipline like any person who violates the charter.
>
> These rules are in place because users taking content issues into their own
> hands is one of the most common causes of flamewars. The List Moms don't like
> flamewars. Let's all work together to keep the lists a fun place to be.
>
> +++ Acceptable uses:
>
> Anything having to do with women playing ice, street, or roller hockey,
> or who are somehow involved in these sports. People interested in
> getting involved with the sports and/or playing are also welcome. This
> list is not limited to women only, but to anyone involved in women's hockey.
>
> We are excluding field hockey from the list, since it's different enough
> from ice/roller hockey to deserve it's own lists, and because the audiences
> are distinct enough that we feel it's a reasonable distinction. We're open
> for discussion on this.
>
> +++ Unacceptable uses:
>
> o We will take a VERY hard stand against brain-dead gender flames. This
> is not a discussion list where people can discuss WHETHER women ought to
> play hockey. The reality is they DO, and they should. People who attempt to
> act like Male Chauvinist Pigs will find their tenure on the list very short,
> and not very satisfying.
>
> o For Sale or Wanted to Buy messages. Don't post either to these lists under
> any circumstances.
>
> o Blatant sales hype and pitches. Use discretion. The same general
> attitude that USENET takes on this stuff is the guideline here. If you
> aren't absolutely sure, run it past the List Mom first and get an opinion.
>
> o Flaming and abusive language: We expect the users of this list to be
> mature, intelligent people. The few who prove themselves exceptions will
> find little patience from the List Moms.
>
> We don't mind when emotions run high. We do mind when people lose control
> of them. We think of this place as a sports bar where everyone gets
> together and watches the games and then buys each other beers and talks.
> We do NOT want to run a bar where people watch games and then throw the
> chairs at each other.
>
> o You may not use addresses obtained from this list to harrass others or
> send them offensive, abusive or blatantly commercial e-mail. People
> who abuse other members of this list, either in public or private, are
> in violation of this list's charter. If a user is upset enough by your
> e-mail to report it to us in a complaint, then as List Mom, we have the
> responsibility to investigate the problem and take action if we feel
> it necessary.
>
> o Do not post copyrighted material. It's illegal to type something in
> from a newspaper verbatim, or repost something sent out via Clarinet. Yes,
> we know it happens all over the net. That doesn't make it right or legal. If
> you DO do it, you put both yourself and us as owners of the list at legal
> risk if the copyright holder decides to fight. You CAN post a pointer to the
> work, summarize what the work is saying, post quotes from the work within
> the boundaries of fair use (and feel free to ask us if you aren't sure), but
> posting entire articles is a major no-no. Failure to cooperate on this one
> can get you kicked off the list, so please be careful. If you aren't sure,
> ask first.
>
> o Do not post or forward messages of general interest, mass-distributed
> warnings, rumors, good samaritan messages or chain letters to this list.
> Craig Shergold doesn't want any more postcards, honest. Before posting
> anything like this, check with the List Moms to determine whether it's
> appropriate. We don't care how important you think the subject is, whether
> it's a new computer virus rumor or a get well card -- it's not appropriate
> for this list unless we've cleared it in advance. Period. Users who violate
> this rule will lose their posting priviledges to the listproc.
>
> Users who are found in violation of the charter are subject to disciplinary
> action, from warnings to removal of their posting priviledges to being
> banned from use of the mailing lists on this server. If you can't behave, we
> feel no responsibility to let you use the services we provide.
>
> +++ Suggestions for being a good citizen
>
> o Before you POST, check the home page to see if the answers are
> already in the archive. Let's try to avoid having to answer the same
> questions over, and over, and over.
>
> o Keep postings as short as possible.
>
> o If you include quoted material, edit it ruthlessly. Keep the smallest
> amount necessary for context. Do NOT simply leave it stuck to the end of
> your message (as mailers like QuickMail like to do), since it REALLY screws
> up the digest users. Edit, edit, edit!
>
> o Keep signatures as short as possible.
>
> o Keep Subject lines relevant. If the topic changes, change the Subject. If
> you are a digest reader, CHANGE the Subject to the appropriate Subject. If
> you don't, all we see is "Re: Hockey-Chat Digest $...", which is
> meaningless, and which many readers don't bother to read. Take a little time
> and make the Subject line useful.
>
> o Ask yourself if it's necessary to post to the entire list. If you aren't
> sure, e-mail it privately to the person you're responding to.
>
> o If someone asks a question and you want a copy of the answers, e-mail the
> request PRIVATELY. Don't send it to the entire list.
>
> o If you ask a question and people send you answers, PLEASE send copies to
> people that ask. If you get more than a couple of requests, then please put
> the answers together and post a summary to the list, AND e-mail a copy to the
> List Mom so it can be put in the archive so future users can get it without
> asking the question again.
>
> o Please keep the length of lines in messages posted to the list to no more
> than 72 characters. If your mailer doesn't auto-wrap things (Eudora does;
> most Unix mailers do NOT) then make sure you hit the return key instead of
> sending huge, one-line paragraphs. Those can be unreadable to many users.
>
> o In general, the harder it is for a person to read your message, the
> less likely the person with the answer to your question will bother to
> respond. Make it as easy as possible for people to read your message, and
> people will. Putting a little time into cleaning things up before you send
> it off can mean the difference between silence and getting the answer you
> need, and is the difference between someone being a good net.citizen and
> someone who comes across as a net.slob.
>
> ---- end of women-in-hockey.INTRO ----
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