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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 28
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Rules and Etiquette for using this list
by chuq
2) Changes to the Rules and Etiquette
by chuq
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 00:00:28 -0700
From: chuq
To: BASEBALL-CHAT, BAY-AREA-HOCKEY, CHICAGO-WOLVES, DALLAS-STARS, GIANTS,
Subject: Rules and Etiquette for using this list
Message-ID:
This copy of the document was posted on Mon Jul 10 00:00:27 PDT 1995
Last update: July 4, 1995
This document describes the rules and manners we expect all users of our
mailing lists to agree to and abide by. FAILURE TO FOLLOW THESE RULES CAN
RESULT IN DISCIPLINARY ACTION, including removal from the lists or loss of
access to the services on plaidworks.com.
Ignorance is not an excuse. Ignorance is ignorance.
Notice: plaidworks.com is our machine. Laurie and I own it. We pay for
it. What we say goes. Period. It's our nickle. We'll do what we
want. You're welcome to use the machine only because we let you. We
can terminate your use of the machine for any reason. Or for no
reason. If we do, tough. it's our toy, we just let you borrow it. That
doesn't mean you can dictate policy. It doe't mean you can't TALK to
us, but don't think you can TELL us. We do this because we want to.
Being obnoxious is not a way to convince us to do it your way.
Anyone who makes us regret that decision screws it up for everyone else,
too. If we ever decide this is no longer fun, we'll just pull the plug.
We reserve the right to terminate your access for any reason whatsoever,
including no reason at all. Your access to services on these machines is a
privledge, not a right. We can remove that priviledge at any time. You
play here because we want you here. When we don't want you here any more,
you go away.
No, having said that: ew are generally at least as reasonable as you are. We
like feedback. We encourage spirited discussion. We want this place to be
fun and interesting. We don't demand people agree with us. We just demand
that people treat other folks on the list (and US) as people, too. Can't do
that? Won't do that? Save us all the problem and go elsewhere. If you're
here to cause problems, your stay will be short and not very pleasant. If
you're a REAL twit, we have no compunction about reporting you to YOUR
boss. (and for those feeling intimidated, this is aimed at maybe two or
three idiots a year. And they're probably too busy being idiots to read
this, much less follow it....)
Anyone who threatens us with legal action for any reason, at any time
will find themselves banned from the machine. This is our hobby.
We don't plan on getting involved in legal issues over a hobby. If you can't
discuss issues with us reasonably, we don't want you here.
Bottom line: We expect EVERYONE on our lists to act like mature, intelligent
adults. I realize this is going to be difficult for a few of you, but we
won't tolerate idiots or abusive personalities here. You can go be a twit on
someone else's nickel.
This document is posted to the mailing lists twice a month, on the 10th and
25th of the month.
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Using the mailing lists
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The Mailing Lists are automated systems. ALL subscription and administrative
commands should be sent to "email@hidden". If you need help on
making listproc cooperate, send email to "email@hidden" to
get the instruction packet. If listproc absolutely refuses to cooperate and
you can't figure out why, send e-mail to "email@hidden" and I'll
help you figure out what's wrong.
Please do NOT send mail to me unless listproc won't cooperate. If you're too
busy or lazy to figure out how to work with mail list servers, then don't
get on mail lists. If you can't make it work -- that's what List Moms are
for. List Moms, however, get cranky at people who don't try first.
DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES EVER EVER EVER SEND LISTPROC COMMANDS OR
ADMINISTRATIVE MESSAGES TO THE MAILING LIST ITSELF! Is this clear? It is
exceptionally, completely, and totally rude to send administrative messages
("unsub me, please!" type stuff) to the mailing list itself. If you REALLY
want to piss off your List Mom, try this one. (it's not like the
instructions are hard to find....). Never -- on ANY mail list, not just the
ones on this machine -- do this. Unless you like hate mail.
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What lists are available.
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To find out what lists are available on this server, send mail to
"email@hidden"
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Rules for using the mailing lists
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Please note that the introduction document for the list have rules and
charter information that are specific to that list. This document
discussions rules that are applicable to ALL lists on plaidworks.com.
The introduction document was sent to you when you signed up, and is
posted on the 1st and 15th of the month. You can get a fresh copy of it
at any time by mailing to email@hidden.
If you have questions about the list, problems with something involving
the list, want advice, want to check on whether a possible post is
appropriate or not, or whatever, please email the List Mom. If you aren't
sure who the List Mom is, their e-mail address is listed in the
"email@hidden" document.
The List Moms have the final say as to what is and isn't appropriate
content. If you are requested to close out a discussion, take it to
e-mail, or shift it to one of the other mailing lists, please comply.
You can discuss the situation with us, and we're willing to listen, but
ultimately, nobody else gets a vote.
The List Moms have the right to ignore the rules of the List if they feel
it necessary. Nobody else does. (and it seems silly to have to say this, but
some people like to argue).
You must be a subscriber to the list to post to it. Listproc is very
picky about your address: if you work from multiple machines or forward
mail from one place to another, it is very likely not to recognize you
as a subscriber. Please keep that in mind and subscribe and post from
your primary account.
Anyone who feels a posting or message thread is out of line should
contact the List Mom. DO NOT PLAY TOPIC COP YOURSELF. Users who try to
take content issues into their own hands will only make the List Mom
very unhappy with them and are subject to discipline like any person
who violates the charter.
These rules are in place because users taking content issues into their own
hands is one of the most common causes of flamewars. The List Moms don't like
flamewars. Let's all work together to keep the lists a fun place to be.
Before you POST, check the FAQ and the home page to see if the answers
are already in the archive. We want the list to spend its time
answering new questions, not rehashing ones that already have answers.
Keep postings as short as possible.
If you include quoted material, edit it ruthlessly. Keep the smallest
amount necessary for context. Do NOT simply leave it stuck to the end of
your message (as mailers like QuickMail like to do), since it REALLY screws
up the digest users. Edit, edit, edit!
Keep signatures as short as possible.
Keep Subject lines relevant. If the topic changes, change the Subject. If
you are a digest reader, CHANGE the Subject to the appropriate Subject. If
you don't, all we see is "Re: Apple-Internet-Users Digest $...", which is
meaningless, and which many readers don't bother to read. Take a little time
and make the Subject line useful.
Ask yourself if it's necessary to post to the entire list. If you aren't
sure, e-mail it privately to the person you're responding to.
If someone asks a question and you want a copy of the answers, e-mail the
request PRIVATELY. Don't send it to the entire list.
If you ask a question and people send you answers, PLEASE send copies to
people that ask. If you get more than a couple of requests, then please put
the answers together and post a summary to the list, AND e-mail a copy to the
List Mom so it can be put in the archive so future users can get it without
asking the question again.
Please keep the length of lines in messages posted to the list to no more
than 72 characters. If your mailer doesn't auto-wrap things (Eudora does;
most Unix mailers do NOT) then make sure you hit the return key instead of
sending huge, one-line paragraphs. Those can be unreadable to many users.
In general, the harder it is for a person to read your message, the
less likely the person with the answer to your question will bother to
respond. Make it as easy as possible for people to read your message, and
people will. Putting a little time into cleaning things up before you send
it off can mean the difference between silence and getting the answer you
need, and is the difference between someone being a good net.citizen and
someone who comes across as a net.slob.
Please do not post articles that include MIME enclosures or Binhexed
files. These long postings are not acceptable on the mailing lists without
explicit permission from the List Mom.
Do not post to multiple mailing lists! Find the MOST APPROPRIATE list and
post there. Shotgun mailings only fragment the response and cause people to
duplicate time and effort trying to deal with the question. This is most
important between apple-internet-users and apple-internet-providers. There
is NO reason for anyone other than the List Moms to post the same message
to both lists.
For Sale or Wanted to Buy messages. We do allow tickets to be bought
and sold on this list, within reason. The groundrules: no commercial
services may use the list. Tickets may be sold ONLY for face value.
There is no scalping on the list. Period. For the playoffs, we relax
this rule in the following way: tickets may be sold but prices may not
be listed in the messages. Keep the transaction private. Anyone found
violating this, or found selling tickets above face value during the
regular season, may be kicked off the list permanently. This is a
service to our readers, not a source of income. If there is a -tickets
sublist (for instance, sharks-tickets), then buy-sell stuff MUST BE ON
THAT LIST ONLY.
We do not allow ANY othe kind of buy/sell messages on the list, except
by previous agreement of the List Moms. If you think you have
something that might be of interest to the users of a list, clear the
posting with the List Mom first. We will consider making exceptions on
a case-by-case basis.
Blatant sales hype and pitches. Low-key notes and press releases are okay.
Use discretion. The same general attitude that USENET takes on this stuff is
the guideline here. If you aren't absolutely sure, run it past the List Mom
first and get an opinion.
Flaming and abusive language: We consider the users of this list to be
mature, intelligent people. The few who prove themselves exceptions will
find little patience from the List Moms. We are all adults here. Moreover,
most of the lists on plaidworks.com are sports-related, so some salty
language is going to happen. Try to keep your postings at a PG-13 rating,
and don't use offensive language just for shock value. If the List Moms feel
you are out of line, they will tell you to cut it out.
You may not use addresses obtained from this list to harrass others or
send them offensive, abusive or blatantly commercial e-mail. People
who abuse other members of this list, either in public or private, are
in violation of this list's charter. If a user is upset enough by your
e-mail to report it to us in a complaint, then as List Mom, we have the
responsibility to investigate the problem and take action if we feel
it necessary.
Do not post copyrighted material. It's illegal to type something in
from a newspaper verbatim, or repost something sent out via Clarinet. Yes,
we know it happens all over the net. That doesn't make it right or legal. If
you DO do it, you put both yourself and us as owners of the list at legal
risk if the copyright holder decides to fight. You CAN post a pointer to the
work, summarize what the work is saying, post quotes from the work within
the boundaries of fair use (and feel free to ask us if you aren't sure), but
posting entire articles is a major no-no. Failure to cooperate on this one
can get you kicked off the list, so please be careful. If you aren't sure,
ask first.
Do not post or forward messages of general interest, mass-distributed
warnings, rumors, good samaritan messages or chain letters to this list.
Craig Shergold doesn't want any more postcards, honest. Before posting
anything like this, check with the List Moms to determine whether it's
appropriate. We don't care how important you think the subject is, whether
it's a new computer virus rumor or a get well card -- it's not appropriate
for this list unless we've cleared it in advance. Period. Users who violate
this rule will lose their posting priviledges to the listproc.
Do not post messages involving games in progress. While most of the
time messages get to most people quickly, there can (and are)
multi-hour delays in delivery, and for most folks, reading email is not
a real-time operation. These kind of messages get real tired if you're
on a digest or don't read your mail until late in the day.
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 00:00:29 -0700
From: chuq
To: BASEBALL-CHAT, BAY-AREA-HOCKEY, CHICAGO-WOLVES, DALLAS-STARS, GIANTS,
Subject: Changes to the Rules and Etiquette
Message-ID:
This copy of the document was posted on Mon Jul 10 00:00:27 PDT 1995
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< Last update: June 18, 1995
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> Last update: July 4, 1995
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> Notice: plaidworks.com is our machine. Laurie and I own it. We pay for
> it. What we say goes. Period. It's our nickle. We'll do what we
> want. You're welcome to use the machine only because we let you. We
> can terminate your use of the machine for any reason. Or for no
> reason. If we do, tough. it's our toy, we just let you borrow it. That
> doesn't mean you can dictate policy. It doe't mean you can't TALK to
> us, but don't think you can TELL us. We do this because we want to.
> Being obnoxious is not a way to convince us to do it your way.
>
> Anyone who makes us regret that decision screws it up for everyone else,
> too. If we ever decide this is no longer fun, we'll just pull the plug.
>
> We reserve the right to terminate your access for any reason whatsoever,
> including no reason at all. Your access to services on these machines is a
> privledge, not a right. We can remove that priviledge at any time. You
> play here because we want you here. When we don't want you here any more,
> you go away.
>
> No, having said that: ew are generally at least as reasonable as you are. We
> like feedback. We encourage spirited discussion. We want this place to be
> fun and interesting. We don't demand people agree with us. We just demand
> that people treat other folks on the list (and US) as people, too. Can't do
> that? Won't do that? Save us all the problem and go elsewhere. If you're
> here to cause problems, your stay will be short and not very pleasant. If
> you're a REAL twit, we have no compunction about reporting you to YOUR
> boss. (and for those feeling intimidated, this is aimed at maybe two or
> three idiots a year. And they're probably too busy being idiots to read
> this, much less follow it....)
>
> Anyone who threatens us with legal action for any reason, at any time
> will find themselves banned from the machine. This is our hobby.
> We don't plan on getting involved in legal issues over a hobby. If you can't
> discuss issues with us reasonably, we don't want you here.
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